Let's say I want to lose weight / build muscle / improve body composition
>cut out the junk food and sugary sweets Of course >actually just avoid highly processed carbs in general Ok, that seems like it makes sense >actually don't eat fruits either Alright... >also this one study found that this popular vegetable has antinutrients so always avoid it at all costs So, what's left that I can eat? >well certainly no foods with any trace amounts of toxic chemicals or any food that has any perceivable health detriment regardless of its benefits
Of course everybody has varying advice, but in general I think people here get too caught up in the minutia of nutrition. At what point do you just accept that there is no perfect food and as long as you get 99% of your diet right, you shouldn't have to worry about the 1% of antinutrients and irrelevant amounts of "toxins".
eat whatever the fuck you want as long as it fits your caloric intake requirements
>t. recent college grad who ate and drank ungodly amounts of garbage and still made good gains
Anthony Powell
Jow Forums doesn't know jackshit
Connor Wood
just avoid highly processed foodstuffs. eat whole natural foods. if it has a nutrition label, you probably shouldn't be eating it.
Cameron Carter
Forget the antinutrients meme- one drop doesn't make something harmful. Were it harmful, it'd be simple to demonstrate consuming significant quantities of it harms people. And actually, some supposed "antinutrients" probably contribute to health via a hormetic effect. If it really was harmful people eating their vegetables would be dropping dead.
Outside of that you have to recognize there are real limits to our confidence in nutrition. Huge amounts of our nutritional knowledge just comes from observational studies of different populations and individuals, and that's prone to all sorts of issues. The time it takes to move from observations to experiments can be a decade or more really.
Even with experiments, your question has to be "compared to what?".
Depending on your standard of evidence as well, you can arrive at differences in diet
Brayden Gutierrez
Congrats, you have swallowed the red pill, enjoy laughing at the threads here about "nutrition", because apparently, no one in human history was truly healthy until we discovered that we needed to eat/avoid "X" food at all costs or die.
John Gutierrez
>Is Jow Forums overcomplicating nutrition? It's just memes all the way fucking down. Watch that ketofag come in here and say fiber is bad for you
Dylan Price
>if it has a nutrition label, you probably shouldn't be eating it. what the FUCK is this fucking bullass
Jayden Martin
The tl;dr of how to be healthy >Cut out all carbs >Limit fats >High protein >No fucking sugar >No drinks that aren't water >No condiments >Limit the spices
So a diet of lightly seasoned chicken breast, cruciferous vegetables, and water is optimal for human health
Xavier Rogers
There's no food that doesn't have nutrients, it's just that a lot of shitty processed foods have bad things in them too. You can eat the good stuff, or the bad stuff, you'll still get nutrients, but the bad stuff will have more calories and so you'll need to eat less of it if you want to lose weight. CICO is king of all things.
Oliver Walker
Correct, minimize the amount of clearly junk/candy foods, eat a wide array of each food group, and pay attention to calories in/out and protein intake. Unless you have a legit medical condition, that's all you need to know.
>because apparently, no one in human history was truly healthy until we discovered that we needed to eat/avoid "X" food at all costs or die.
>meanwhile literally every pre-industrial society that ate nuts, legumes or grains had lengthy preparation processes or at the very least gave grains time to sprout a bit while they lay in the fields after harvesting
There's nothing wrong with eating this stuff if you prepare it properly but literally no one ever just cracked an acorn open and ate it. Go read up on traditional native american methods of preparing acorns for consumption. There's a huge difference between how people traditionally ate foods with "antinutrients" and the way we do it. Also, modern wheat has very little in common with wheat that was consumed even a couple hundred years ago.
Aaron Reyes
By merely posting this, you've shown that you do not know how much Jow Forums autism you have to filter out and what amounts you should let in. Lurk moar.
Eli Morales
>because apparently, no one in human history was truly healthy until we discovered that we needed to eat/avoid "X" food at all costs or die.
Based and /thread-pilled
Caleb Richardson
here let me simplify nuitrition down
ONE INGREDIENT, WHOLE FOODS
So lets take chicken, how many ingredients does chicken have? Ingredients: Chicken
Okay so let's take steak, how many ingredients does steak have? Ingredients: Steak
how about broccoli, lettuce, tomatoe, eggs?
So say, what if you just ate, hmm, 6-10 eggs everyday, A Steak for dinner, maybe some chicken with some buffalo sauce on it
Mashed potatoes with your steak, broccoli with your chicken
and then you snack periodically on some nuts and fresh fruits in vegetables
Fruit is literally the only food on the planet that is intended to be eaten and everything about your body from your teeth to your digestive tract is most similar to frigivorous apes. If you actually think that fruit is bad for you then you're retarded.
>good luck with that methoinine/glycine balance eating nothing but chicken breasts
Robert Morris
Well, eat how our ancestors ate. Vegetables, Bread, Fruit and meat. There is literally a food pyramid that explains this. Avoid tons of sugar and processed foods. If you eat subs or burgers all day even with water of course you will feel like shit. You need your green beans, You need your steak, You need your oatmeal or bread in the morning if you want energy. Who ever told you not to eat fruit is an idiot, You can eat fruit just do not eat fuckin more than 3 oranges a day if you're that worried about sugar. And above all, Look at the nutrition facts of what you're eating so you know exactly what you are putting in your body.
The point I'm making is that people were perfectly fine before someone started screaming "egg yolks kill you" and "bread is bad", and we'll be fine a thousand years in the future when someone starts screaming "water is poison". Just eat normal food like we have for the past 100,000 years and not 4x4 cheeseburger shit and everyone will be fine.
Noah Jenkins
>we'll be fine a thousand years in the future when someone starts screaming "water is poison" people already say that now and have been
Michael Ward
You'll be fine as long as you don't eat bread, milk, or egg yolks.
>Fruit is just sugar Yes, and you're a fucking retarded for thinking that sugar is bad for you. Looking at HFCS and going, "Oh, this stuff is bad for you so everything with fructose must be bad too" is no less retarded than seeing that processed meat is bad for you and deciding that this means that grass fed beef is equally bad.
We've clinical proof since the '30s that you can eat a diet that's >90% carbs, including as much as a literal pound of table sugar a day, and not only will people not become less healthy but many diabetics placed on this diet will IMPROVE so much that they will be able to stop taking insulin altogether. You niggers who don't know shit about nutrition science need to fuck off and stop acting like you know shit just because you read a couple paleo blogs.
Jackson Rivera
Because people mostly weren’t eating grains that weren’t properly prepared until probably 200 years ago. Large grain consumption starting maybe 7,000 years ago with agriculture becoming a means of sustaining large societies. Compared to the 2.6 billion the homo species has been around, eating animals as the primary source of nutrition. The fact that hardly anyone here soaks their oats for days to reduce phytic acid content, or uses heirloom variety grains with minimal chromosomes, or ferments their grains to make them easier to digest (and on and on when it comes to preparing non animal foods) is crazy considering this is ancient wisdom that was practiced for so long.
Ryder Brooks
But what is the point of getting in a metric shitton of sugar for the same nutritional value you can get from VEGETABLES with 0 sugar and more fiber? You are literally saying >''Uuhhh sugar isnt bad so that justifies making a worse decision'' There is no point in eating fruit when vegetables contain the same if not more micronutrients without all the fucking sugar, you can get those carbs from something more filling like potatos or rice.
Fuck sugar, fuck the sugar industry, fuck the sugar jew
Chase Watson
Dont read meme magazines like mens fitness where a new "study" says that if you eat green apples you will look like Brad Pitt.
Its really quite simple. Calories in and calories out and with those calories try get as much protein as you can without making meal preparation difficult.
Jayden Mitchell
Yep, this guy gets it. Even when people stopped soaking or fermenting their grains, the inefficiencies of pre-industrial gathering practices meant that the grain still sat around long enough to sprout before being stored of processed. This shit where you have a bag of flour within 24 hours of grain being harvested is very new and it's no surprise that so many people's bodies are reacting so poorly to it.
I do fucking hate fermenting my food though; I've never been able to get consistent results.
Jeremiah Adams
Raw milk is nutritionally complete and amazing if the casein and lactose is tolerated, egg yolks are extremely nutrient dense and not bad for you by any means as long as their from pastures, naturally raised chickens that eat bugs, eggs n shit. Fluoride is pretty dangerous, it inhibits thyroid function because it competes with iodine in the endocrine system. I’ve seen that SSRIs and birth control is in public water as it’s pissed out of everyone and recycled or just finds its way into the system, honestly haven’t looked into that too much. Also doesn’t have all of the probiotics that a natural source of water would have.
Aiden Sanders
And it's fine, it's all fine, the problem isn't the food, it's the sheer fucking amount of it that we consume due to ease of access without a sufficient outlet to work it off. If you're truly concerned with phytic acid content in your food, you have become the definition of "majoring in minors".
Oliver Nguyen
>There is no point in eating fruit when vegetables contain the same if not more micronutrients without all the fucking sugar, you can get those carbs from something more filling like potatos or rice. Some of us aren't fatasses who have to worry about whether or not food is "filling" to trick ourselves into not stuffing our faces. Fruit is one of the healthiest and tastiest things you can eat and I'm sorry you don't have the self control to trust yourself with anything except a bland, tasteless diet.
>fruit doesn't have fiber Get fucked son, you're wrong, you don't know shit about nutrition, Walter Kempner rekt the shit out of your no carb meme diet 90 years ago.
Eli Parker
Yeah sugar’s bad, but veggies don’t have that much nutrition when compared to meat. The vitamins are in their plant forms that have to be converted to the animal version that we metabolize, and this occurs at low conversion rate with diminishing returns. The minerals are mostly bound to oxalates, lectins, phytates, saponins, goitrogens and other antinutrients that inhibit the absorption of minerals in a meal and cause damage to the lining of the gut. Fiber is useless as well and unnecessary
Easton Sullivan
You know what else is dangerous? Dihydrogen monoxide. It's a major component of acid rain.
Nathaniel Hill
This, Your body can have sugar. It's not like an orange has the same amount of sugar as a 20z of coca cola lmao.
Zachary Myers
>If you're truly concerned with phytic acid content in your food, you have become the definition of "majoring in minors". It doesn't matter if you don't eat much of them but if phytic acid containing foods are a staple of your diet then you can either be concerned about them now or regretting it later.
Lincoln James
To add, Eating healthy is not about making yourself suffer. It's about eating every kind of food in moderation.
Parker Nguyen
>if it has a nutrition label, you probably shouldn't be eating it. thank you for the most braindead post to ever grace Jow Forums
Adrian Stewart
People overconsume because the grains have no fucking nutritional value to them. No one is truly satiated eating primarily carbs, and there are no micros to be obtained so people are just aimlessly overeating and addicted to sugar and refined carbohydrates.
Kempner literally fed diabetics as much as 500g of table sugar a day and 25% of the diabetics in one of his early studies were able to discontinue their insulin altogether. Nutrition is way more fucking complicated than "this macro or that macro is bad". High fat high sugar is bad but low fat high sugar is perfectly fine and has been consistently proven to be such.
Isaac Hill
A problem is overconsumption of foods that naturally wouldn’t be available to one. A wintered Kansas having access to bananas from Mexico isn’t entirely right. And the fact they’ve been genetically altered to have as much sugar and no seeds is something to take into consideration. I think if you eat locally and sustainably sourced fruits that aren’t monocropped on nutrient deficient soil sprayed by glyphosate and sorts of pesticides and chemicals is cool though
Cooper Green
everything you need to know about nutrition: >eat different foods >eating more energy than you burn will cause you to gain weight >eating less energy than you burn will cause you to lose weight
its that simple
Wyatt Richardson
Guys, take off the tinfoil hats and just eat food that isn't junk on a regular rotation.
Robert Davis
Nice I'll have to read up on that. I enjoy some orange slices every day or so, Why someone would not eat applesauce or strawberries is beyond me.
It’s very arrogant to assume that my statement saying grains have no nutritional value to them, especially in our time and how we eat them, is conspiracy. Why do you think everything is fortified with vitamins?
Josiah Price
Alright bro, enjoy your exclusive immortality counting the phytic acid content in your oat and good luck.
