If fasting is SO effective, why don’t bodybuilders do it to cut?

You don't need to fast if you're on roids.

Based

Surely it would make MORE sense if you were on roids?

Why is it so bandwagon to hate fasting?

It's a counter to the bandwagon that endorse it

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Jow Forums is an eternal wheel of bandwagon hopping. You will never find a fully satisfied crowd because everyone here disagrees with each other. There is no Jow Forums, there's only thousands of retards whose IQ's might add up to 20 telling you what to do, despite not knowing what they're talking about.

The effectiveness of fasting is mental, not physical. If you cannot control yourself with food, then fasting is an option that might make it easier to control yourself. Bodybuilders don't have this problem because they are very disciplined.

cope

Fasting is for fatties.

lots of groups are financially invested in people buying stuff
fasting is free, so naturally this upsets those groups

They dont use fasting to cut because they use intermittent fasting to cut. Bodybuilders have have been using IF to cut before IF was popular, see the warrior diet

They do.

big if true

(((they))) dont want you to fast

Jewish influence on Jow Forums
If you pay attention to the shills hating on fasting you'll notice a certain pattern of vocabulary used because it's only a few of them.

>the bandwagon that endorse it
I'd get it if it was about shilling some product like sips but we're talking about literally not eating.

>the JOOS are personally out to get me, because I'm a special unique individual that everybody cares about
lmao imagine being so full of yourself.
get your head out of your ass

I stopped eating after like 2pm every day, lost 45lbs in less than 7 months. I spent my days doing meh labor, moving pipes around, hauling toolboxes in an out of trucks, nothing crazy.

Nice strawman retard, no one said (((they))) care about a single person, it's about brainwashing billions

I wonder who could be behind this post.
You better work on your shill tactics, Shekelb*rg, because enough people fasting means your big market and big pharma are going to lose precious sh*kels.

t. faggot

Sometimes all it takes is for something to be popular for certain people to dislike it

This is one of them. Notice the strawmen and the panic hidden behind aggression.

They want you to spend money, no matter what, and they hate anything that suggests otherwise.

> Shills
The fucking state of you, imagine believing people are being paid to disagree with your faggy diet when ill gladly do it for free

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I guess being paid in semen doesn't count as real payment, so technically you "do it for free"

You remind me of my friend who I told I put tape over my phone camera cause of the nsa and he called me a narcissist basically. He's a faggot and so are you.

Based

>Pro bodybuilders abuse insulin, they have to eat often or else they'll get hypoglycemic
>The tren diet is also low fat, so it would be relatively hard to eat a large food volume in a short eating window
>They just take drugs to suppress appetite and boost lipolysis

That said, there's basically no reason a natty bodybuilder shouldn't at least do 16:8 if not OMAD on training days, possibly also fasting on off days. If you put your ear to the ground, you'll notice more and more of them doing IF.

People hating on fasting are most likely Dunning-Krugerlets who think CICO is all you need to know about dieting. Query: does the human body follow the SECOND law of thermodynamics? Think about it for more than 15 seconds.

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>he thinks anyone cares about his pathetic existence to try and change his mind
You are so deluded you can't even see that. Calling you retarded for doing something retarded isn't an attempt to shill.
Telling someone else for panic and aggression while the Jews constantly live in your head rent free. This lack of self awareness is amazing.

It's about money you fucking retard, of course they care about it. LET ME SAY IT AGAIN SINCE YOU DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND. THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN EACH HUMAN INDIVIDUALLY NOR DO THEY CARE ABOUT THE HUMANS THEMSELVES, THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT THEIR MONEY. Also we're multiple posters ya brainlet.

>Query: does the human body follow the SECOND law of thermodynamics? Think about it for more than 15 seconds.
It does. Thinking otherwise is just ignorance about thermo

>reddit spacing
opinions discarded

You are fucking deluded. Go create more imaginary enemies in your head, sad schizo case.
>Also we're multiple posters ya brainlet.
And you don't understand how greentext works. gtfo newfag

>muh imaginary enemies
>newfag
I take everything back, you're not a fucking retard, you're clearly from Jow Forums, there's nothing I can insult you with that you don't already know about yourself.

You're still a faggot

>screeches about the joos
>has such an inflated ego he thinks someone gives a fuck about his life
>follows retarded trends
>unironically a polfag
Seems like you are the r9k type here

Stay seething buddy, maybe the crying will help you burn some fat

You're still a faggot

>has such an inflated ego he thinks someone gives a fuck about his life
How many times do I have to say this you fucking retarded mongoloid? THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE INDIVIDUAL LIVES OF EVERYONE, THEY CARE ABOUT THEIR MONEY. How do you manage to be such a down syndrome 2 digit IQ faggot?

Dude he's trolling. It's not worth it.

Yeah you're right, it's really not

>"n-no they do care for me as part of a group, I matter"
>ignoring the rest the post exposing him
You are underage, r9k, or incredibly dumb.
I go for all 3.

>say dumb shit
>be wrong
>the jews are spreading false information
This is getting out of hand.

>he's a troll
>he's a shill
>he's a kike
>I can't possibly be wrong! Must be propaganda!
This is why there is no point conversing with you morons. You just go to an immediate strawman and refuse to accept any truth that goes against your narrative. So it is just easier to call you a retard and hope you kill yourself at some point in the near future. The funny thing is that you have adapted to call out others for the very same tactics you use.
Jow Forums must be the lowest IQ collective bunch on the internet.

Hey retard have you considered the possibility that fasting might actually be bad for your muscle retention and it isn't just a massive internet campaign to get you to spend money on shit (as if someone points a gun to your head and forces you to buy cheetos)

>WHY AREN'T THEY RESPONDING ANYMORE??? WHERE ARE MY (YOU)S?

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I was with you until the thermodynamic bullshit
our body follows ALL the laws of thermodynamics

Literally everything follows all the laws of thermodynamics as far as anyone knows, and if something doesn't, it has to be some far off Star Trek shit to not fundamentally break our understanding of physics. What kind of dumb ass question is that?

Yeah, I went full brainlet. I've got to stop phoneposting about serious topics. What I was trying to say is that the human body is not a bomb calorimeter, the CICO model does not necessarily apply due to hormonal (dis)regulation among other things, and would appear to violate the second law of thermodynamics in such (extremely common) cases. Here's some food for thought:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC506782/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC543577/?tool=pubmed

knowledge is a product. Fucking assholes are peddling this bullshit like it does more than just eating less. And they sell books and talks on it.

>f-faggot spastic
>faggot spastic
>y-y-y-ou spastic faggot
>It's sickening, it's pissening!
Using your super special catch phrase just let's everyone know you're defiantly autistic.

CICO still works, it's just that the human body is p complicated, and CO is not at all static. Hell, even CI can vary with the same food because of digestion n shiee. Everything depends on so much that while the principle is easy, the execution can be complicated.

they do user. it's called sleeping

I can tell you first hand that fasting for 5 days will drop you anywhere from 5-10 pounds of fat. The scale will likely say 20-25, but that's mostly water. The effects are not just mental. You also feel better afterwards because of a process called autophagy. That's where your body consumes damaged, or dead cells for fuel, first, and replaces them with healthy ones.

You all should do some research before you talk shit. I used to think it was retarded too, but then I looked into it, and it is 100% the best diet for people with a body fat percentage higher than 15.

The argument I and others make is that CICO is frequently so complicated in execution that it's better practice to use a "hormones first" approach in conjunction, especially considering that a majority of the adult population likely already has issues with hyperinsulinemia. This means fasting and/or carbohydrate restriction, the degree to which either/both are necessary depends on the individual case.

Sure, a young Jow Forumsizen who works out often will likely do fine with a CICO model, but anyone having trouble losing weight despite intake and activity level would do well to adopt the approach I described. I further believe that pretty much everyone should fast at least 12-14 hours a day for general health reasons, and will likely have better fitness outcomes as a result, but that's a separate argument.

You're here too, pal. Welcome to the /pit/.

because fasting isn't effective at all for maintaining muscle and in fa ct it's vastly inferior
there's a reason why animals are fed more than once a day, it's far superior for muscle accumulation than infrequent feedings

humans are the exact same, fasting is for retards

CICO isn't complicated at all. It's simple and 100% accurate. "Hormones first" is momscience voodoo shit for clowns with zero understanding of physiology. Thanks.

this board is absolutely filled with retards who preach about fasting being better than anything else for building or maintaining muscle which is fucking bullshit
just so happens that in order to look like you lift is to lift weights which costs a gym fee and you gotta spend money on food anyway so
LE JEWS win either way
fasting is only good for fat sedentary subhumans with absolute dog shit metabolism
the people shilling for fasting look like shit, 100% of the tiome except the online gurus they dickride on a daily basis which are like 2 of them, anyone else that looks good doesn't fast and eats regularly
fasting is for fatties

(You)'re welcome

post body

They are on fucking steroids which are taken to spare muscle while doing heavy exercise and heavy dieting.
And all bodybuilders will and do sacrifice muscle so that they can come into a contest lean as fuck and shredded.

Actually post body. I bet you actually go to the gym.

Because "cutting" isn't about not eating. It is about maximizing your protein intake while limiting your caloric intake based on your TDEE.

cope
cope
>they are all on fucking steroids
and they still lose muscle while dieting for a show
now imagine if they were natty and were doing fasting meme shit fads
yeah, exactly, fasting is shit for building and maintaining muscle, literally inferior in every way which is why patients are put on IV for long periods of time or fed frequently instead of just a once a day, because constant surplus of nutrients is more muscle preserving.
this is seen in health patients, cattle, rodent studies, zoo animals, and also in regular human subjects.

fasting is for fatties, not for people that are interested in maintaining their fitness and muscle.

yeah, it's true, I'm awesome. that's why (((they))) fear me

Fasting is great for everyone who is semi-lean or fatter

how about this
you post body with timestamps and post body with timestamps
and also you two post body with timestamps too
no larping shit or pretending you are someone else while using their photos, post body with timestamps or fuck off and cuck away to your shithole redshit subforum

fasting is a fucking meme fad spread by north american retards who know their clientele, which is 99% fat fucks who are too fucking stupid to eat less and can't portion control at all.

fasting is great for fatties and other unhealthy people
fasting is garbage for people that are even remotely lean and physically active, in fact it's by far inferior to frequent feeding
there's a limit to how anabolic each individual meal can be, this is the main reason why fasting is garbage.

You were asked first, fattie.
Don't embarrass yourself even harder.

Fasting is the GOAT for people above 10% BF

The same reason noone else does it. Misinformed pussies

the one spreading meme fad shits that no one relevant does is the one that has to show his body
let's see your fasting physique, fat fastingshill
and post one photo with timestamps just so we all know you aren't a larping cuck like 99% of the people that post body here.
if you can't do this your meme fad shit is just that, a fad, and you ahve NOTHING to show for this fucking fad and your shilling for it
post body with timestamps or keep cucking away into the shadows.
more like 20%

It's around 10% where your body realizes fat stores are critical and it makes it much less beneficial, otherwise great for cutting above that

>still trying to dodge it and refusing to post body
Thanks for conceding and confirming my suspicions that you're fat, shitposting landwhale.

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>yeah, exactly, fasting is shit for building and maintaining muscle, literally inferior in every way which is why patients are put on IV for long periods of time or fed frequently instead of just a once a day, because constant surplus of nutrients is more muscle preserving.
>this is seen in health patients, cattle, rodent studies, zoo animals, and also in regular human subjects.

No, idiot.
Naturals don't have nearly enough muscle mass to necessitate eating as much as those guys nor do they want to cut down to the dangerously low levels they are.

Naturals can cut down to a healthy bodyfat with fasting and short bouts of fasting combined with healthy sensible eating easily.

haven't seen a single case of a guy who fasts is even able to maintain his muscle mass at 11-20% bf with any fasting protocol with concrete proof.
I have though seen people body recomp while eating frequently their way to a six pack
so, yeah, fasting is retarded anyway and obviously inferior and a waste of time for people who want to look good.

pic related is a guy on a high protein regular daily caloric deficit diet

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Spend money on what? Are nosalt companies behind fasting?

Oh absolutely no one refutes that a simple CICO oriented high protein diet isn't beneficial, it's just that fasting is not only more LBM preserving, it's much faster than traditional cutting, as long as you're not completely shredded.

>fasting isn't shit for building muscle
confirmed retarded, brainwashed, mentally ill and completely full of shit

no one that is natty and looks good actually fucking fasts you absolute fucking retard
it's only meant for FAT FUCKS, not even t he snake diet guy fasts, he eats RED MEAT EVERYDAY which takes like 10 fucking hours to completely digest, he isn't fucking fasting himself, and he doesn't tell people who want to maintain muscle to even fucking fast either
only ABSOLUTE retards even post dumb shit like "fasting is good for muscle".
thanks for conceding that you're full of shit, look like shit and your meme fad diet isn't working for you
quite telling when you're this brainwashed by this meme fad shit and you STILL fail to show any results you obtained, because you got none of course.

he means that there isnt a campaign to shame you into spending money on food

> it's just that fasting is not only more LBM preserving
it isn't, we have mechanistic data that goes completely against your notion and not to mention actual studies done on humans, rodents, chickens, cows, lions, tigers, dogs, cats and a bunch of other animals that frequent feeding is vastly superior for building and preserving muscle mass.

I tried fasting to cut. Worked fine the first day but I woke up the next and my heart was pounding and racing. It didn't calm for a solid hour. Didn't want to continue after experiencing that. Normal cutting is easier I guess.

You need to ease into it, try doing something like IF/OMAD first. After a while I found ADF to be incredibly easy.

>semi-lean
lol
It's just fat.

1,800 Kcal of sugar will have a different effect than 1,800 Kcal of protein. CICO has to be approached with the source of calories in mind.

>americans
>fed 6 times a day
>fat as shit

>CICO is all that matters
>Calories In = 0 is bad if you want to lose weight!!!