CICO is junk science that doesn't apply to animals. You store fat due to insulin. If you carbs, then it uses the sugar to store the energy in your body as fat.
The body cannot store fat as fat without carbs. To lose weight you should be eating carnivore or keto.
Carbs make you fat. If you look in the past no one was fat as people did not eat carbs. The cavemen in the past did not eat oats, fruits, vegetables, they ate meat.
This is the most obvious thing in the world, yet people follow a myth started by coca cola foundation and mac donalds to sell carbs to you.
Even the sticky has this misinformation in. They need to replace the sticky with a keto page instead.
yes this please fuck off op with that science bullshit im losing weight and eating what i want fuck off
Brody Hill
Not this thread again
Levi Hall
Sure, insulin levels affect your calories out, but not by a large margin. You still need to be at a cal deficit
Parker Walker
>I watched a Thomas DeLauer I'm pretty much an expert on human cellular metablism bro
Joseph Parker
Thats a lie i did the same and ended up fatter it doesnt work
Brody Lewis
Ask me how I know you don't actually excersize
Juan Garcia
Op doesn't understand thermodynamics, also he is a massive faggot.
Angel Flores
academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/74/6/707/4737384#ref-list-1 >Additionally, McDevitt et al report that, in all settings, the total de novo lipogenesis flux represented a small fraction of both the surplus carbohydrate energy ingested and the total fat stored in the body. The authors calculated that between 3 and 8 g fat/d was produced through de novo lipogenesis compared with 360–390 g carbohydrate ingested/d and 60–75 g body fat stored/d.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7598063 >fat overfeeding had minimal effects on fat oxidation and total energy expenditure, leading to storage of 90-95% of excess energy. Excess dietary fat leads to greater fat accumulation than does excess dietary carbohydrate, and the difference was greatest early in the overfeeding period.
Christian Mitchell
So how fat are you?
Josiah Jackson
OP is fakenews. CICO is empirical science, the only time it's not true is when the body is in a disease state like diabetes, cancer, or thyroid hormone disorders. /thread
OP is probably a fat fuck with 0 discipline who's getting into the bullshit low carb/fasting fad because he thinks it will give him instant results
>"muh roided-up diet guru Thomas De Lauer said carbs bad" >"energy balance doesn't apply to me" >"muh magic fat loss"
You will literally never EVER make it.
Aiden Adams
Name one species outside of humans who >counts calories >eats white powders to make sure they can get enough macros and micros >thinks eating white powder is healthy >thinks eating white powder is necessary >thinks eating sugar is healthy and necessary >thinks something that causes tooth rotting and diabetes is healthy and necessary >think they can choose their diet and ignore nature (lions stop eating animals and start eating grass) >becomes obese on their natural diet and develops multiple diseases
Parker Lewis
Not necessarily. If you eat an extreme amount of protein throughout the day, it'll eventually cause an insulin spike and trigger protein synthesis. It's easier to do with carbs though. It's why milk and honey are great foods for building muscle.
Dominic Reed
>he "thinks" food has something to do with discipline animals eat how much and what they naturally want. How many animals have you seen dieting and saying no to food?
You intake other white powders too. Your protein shakes for example. And your preworkouts. And after workouts. And there are white powders in your protein snackbars too
Brayden Jackson
Bullshit argument. You are a lifter with physique goals. That entails either eating at a deficit to put yourself in a catabolic state or eating slightly over maintenance to gain weight, both of which entail a certain degree of discomfort. No one with a physique worth a shit eats ad libitum (intuitively) all year.
Christian Bailey
>thinks bodybuilding is natural and compares roids and carbs to natural nutrition If bodybuilding was natural it would be easy and happen on its own. You most likely think your roids are nature's gift too.
Michael Wilson
so your argument is 'white bad' no matter what its made of?
Julian Torres
>They need to replace the sticky with a keto page instead. Ketards are a plague and your meme diet kills gains.
James Russell
No, if you weren't mentally ill you would know that such powders dont exist outside of plastic containers and they are nonexistent in nature and no other animal would ever eat white powders
Wyatt Bennett
> muh Keto
> Meta-analysis of 272,216 subjects studied for diet and mortality reported that the risk of “all-cause” mortality in those responding that they followed a low-carbohydrate diet was approximately 30% higher than other subjects. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23372809
> Harvard School of Public Health studied over 4,000 men and women who had survived a heart attack. Those eating a lower carbohydrate diet higher in animal protein and fat was associated with a higher risk of all-cause and cardiovascular mortality. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25246449
> Analysis of over 900 elderly Swedish men, a Mediterranean diet pattern reduced mortality while a carbohydrate restricted diet was associated with a 20–40% increase in all-cause and cardiovascular mortality respectively. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20826627
> Analysis of nearly 130,000 subjects followed by the Harvard School of Public Health, subjects following an low carbohydrate diet had increase in all-cause, cardiovascular and cancer mortality. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20820038
> In a series of type 1 diabetics, a higher protein and fat diet was associated with more heart artery calcification, a marker of atherosclerosis, while a higher carbohydrate based diet was associated with a lower burden of artery calcification. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19219420
> Research group of over 42,000 Swedish women, respondents with a dietary pattern of higher protein and low-carbohydrate was associated with higher all-cause and cardiovascular mortality. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17391111
> Greek population of nearly 23,000 subjects, those following a low-carbohydrate and higher protein diet had higher all-cause, cardiovascular and cancer mortality. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17136037
Your meme weight loss diet is harming your health. You have an eating disorder.
Camden Lee
>in the past people did not eat carbs What a dumb fucking post user. Literally you are one of the most stupid people I've interacted with in months.
Ahh yes, the low carb movement famously goes hand in hand with shooting heroin whilst base jumping.
Nathan Scott
I know you are mentally ill and wont understand this but you can't compare all low carb diets to each other. That's same as comparing all high carbfags like you to each other despite eating different foods. I know you are sub 80iq and mentally ill but I still wanted to post this
Isaiah Bailey
what happened Jow Forums you went to shit in the last few months. >durr Jow Forums was always shit nah it wasn't, ofc everyone was memeing but at least you found useful information if you searched for them now every single thread seems to be created by insane people and other mentally ill chime in. It started with nofap, then came fasting now people actually try to argue that CICO is not working, at the same time vegans and keto followers battle carnivore disciples. There currently is a thread with the only purpose of spreading the superstition that smoking is actually healthy. The stuff that get's posted here by lunatics makes flat earthers and anti-vaccers look tame. What happened?
Lincoln Sanchez
never said bodybuilding
Blake Powell
The Ketards on this board thing fiber is useless and carbs from vegetables are as bad as carbs from refined sugar.
They not only blame carbs for every illness on earth but they exonerate anything that isn’t a carb (cholesterol, saturated fat).
I agree that what people are eating within their diet is what really matters, the studies are however useful to debunk your generic Jow Forums ketard who thinks that if their waistline is shrinking then their diet automatically is healthy.
Nicholas Fisher
Unironic retards have overrun Jow Forums. Not much you can do.
Dominic Davis
So your argument is that eating for one's goals is literally pointless since building muscle/losing fat is unnatural and would otherwise just happen spontaneously. Alright then, my question is why the fuck are you on this board? This is a place for people who want to become a better version of themselves through meaningful work and dedication. Your giga-cope mentality and eating disorder have no place here.
Liam Reyes
Reddit fags and crossposters from cancer boards The old fags dont come here anymore, I'm considering using the other chans exclusively
Logan Bennett
>Jow Forums >sound science Pick one.
Christopher Adams
Speak for yourself brainlet
Noah Brooks
how the hell do you know if cavemen were never fat you absolute mongoloid?
Jackson Johnson
Don't worry, I do. Assuming you're the OP, you are legitimately retarded.
Levi Green
>the laws of thermodynamics dont apply to me
Interesting theory, post body
Hunter Perez
Obvious bait is obvious but the biggest problem surrounding CICO is the average fatty's inability to properly count calories. >I know because I was that fatty
Xavier Price
Not OP
Ethan Roberts
Human bodies aren't closed systems. We aren't pullys or levers.
Fucks sake, 3500 calories is just a really really rough guideline and a woman who's calorie intake is fuckign 1100 cutting out 500 fucking calories a week to drop a pound will just outright BUTCHER her fucking body. Even fasting and intermittent fasting will ruin a woman's body. Hell women are meant to take in a constant supply of nutrituous food and graze to keep their estrogen up and never starve. It mascualnizes them and ruins their reproductive capability.
Caleb Flores
Post body
Ryder Reyes
>If you look in the past no one was fat as people did not eat carbs. The cavemen in the past did not eat oats, fruits, vegetables, they ate meat. Haha, what? People regularly ate 2 POUNDS of bread PER DAY until the 20th century.
Elijah Gray
This. The majority is shitpost threads or fap material threads. I rarely see sources, just more arguements.
Jow Forums has gone to shit too, although with Jow Forums you can wait until night and then the old guys are around. Here, we all try to get to bed at a decent time.
Leo Russell
Have you ever seen a steak in nature?
Lincoln Mitchell
Honey is a toxic substance because it kills your gut bacteria
Levi Howard
Implying vaccines are safe
Juan Moore
Only shitskins still fall for CICO because corn and grains are staples of their slave diets.
Northern Europeans know they shouldn't be eating carbs.
Matthew Harris
Damn dude your right. All those medieval peasants living off of gruel were fat as fuck. Damn shame about the obesity epidemic in China and Asia too
Evan Mitchell
>The body cannot store fat as fat without carbs. To lose weight you should be eating carnivore or keto. You don't need carbs to spike your insulin
Kevin Garcia
>all ethnicities and races all over the globe have been eating the exactly same thing for millenia sure, some african tribes will be plentiful in fruit or berries but northern european tribes will probably have consumed meat 11 months out of 12.
Leo Cook
Everyone who discusses this subject should post skin colour and nose.
Only Jews and Africans still promote the CICO lie.
Owen Price
Hey fuck you bitch I've been going cico for 5 months and lost a total of 44 lbs Eat my shit fatty
Joseph Cook
Not all carbs spike insulin user.
I sure do hope you eat vegetables
Isaiah Torres
>The body cannot store fat as fat without carbs. To lose weight you should be eating carnivore or keto. And how to gain muscles?
Your body is more complex than a calorie burner you faggot
Jack Morgan
>> Meta-analysis of 272,216 subjects studied for diet and mortality reported that the risk of “all-cause” mortality in those responding that they followed a low-carbohydrate diet was approximately 30% higher than other subjects. >ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23372809
Half hour YouTube clip of a Keto cult leader shilling his patreon
Joshua Barnes
to lose weight you should be expending more energy than you consume. "diets" are stupid. eat good all the time, its easy. theres no reason to eat many carbs unless you are about to work out, or u just got done working out. if you are working out without carbs you are wasting your time.
Child mortality, warfare also they didn't have modern medicine to artifically increase lifespan.
Andrew Moore
Fiber feeds your good bacteria that are important beneficial mediators of the immune system.
Dominic Robinson
>Even fasting and intermittent fasting will ruin a woman's body. Hell women are meant to take in a constant supply of nutrituous food and graze to keep their estrogen up and never starve. It mascualnizes them and ruins their reproductive capability. you type like a literal incel. "u-uhhh muh precious wimmin!! i shall make sure you don't ever starve m'lady here take my food".
where does it say that women will shrivel up and die OR become varbies if they do IF? they naturally have more fat stored but that doesn't mean that their fat storages go down to 0 if they dare enter ketosis. i don't actually understand wtf you post is saying it reeks of feeder fetishism.
Fiber is indigestible. It's pretty much the biggest meme ever that should've never been normalized.
Noah Young
Your good bacteria digest it for you user.
Nolan Morgan
>Sh-shut up >So what if women will start to become masculanized and have lowered ability to reproduce >That's good
Joseph Moore
it helps you shit because it can't be digested
give me a fucking source on anything you claim. my period disappeared on a vegan diet and came back on keto omad with prolonged fasting introduced now. fasting is LESS dangerous for men overall but by not much. your female fucking ancestors fasted and they somehow got fertile and pregnant? otherwise you wouldn't spout your rubbish here today.
