I tried talking about this on the MBTI threads but no one really was interested, so im making a thread for it.
This is a thread for talking about Fruedian, Jungian or any other type of psychoanalysis in general. Some odd discussion about the Psychological Types and the functions is also ok if it ties into something else related to psychoanalysis, but if you specifically want to talk about that, then go to the MBTI threads.
I'll start out with a story about a discussion Freud and Jung had.
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As many of you probably already know, Jung and Freud used to be friends, though after a while their friendship fell apart.
One of the things that made their friendship fall apart was that Freud thought Jung had an Oedipal complex towards him, and part of what made him think that was that Jung literally asked if their friendship could be enjoyed as "Father and son instead of equals", being fully aware that he was asking this from the man who came up with the theory of of the Oedipal complex at all.
So there is this interesting dispute between them about a dream Jung had. I'll post it in the next post because it doesnt fit into this one
>The dream was one of Jung's. He dreamt that he was on the top floor of an old house, well furnished and with fine paintings on the walls. He marvelled that this should be his house and commented "Not bad!" But then it occurred to him that he had no idea what the lower floor was like, so he went down to see. There everything was much older. The furnishings were medieval and everything was rather dark. He thought, "Now I really must explore the whole house." He looked closely at the floor. It was made of stone slabs, and in one of these he discovered a ring. When he pulled it, the slab lifted, and he saw some narrow stone steps leading down into the depths. He went down and entered a low cave cut out of the rock. Bones and broken pottery were scattered about in the dust, the remains of a primitive culture, and he found two human skulls, obviously very old and half-disintegrated. Then he awoke.
>All that interested Freud about this dream was the possible identity of the skulls. He wanted Jung to say who they belonged to, for it seemed evident to him that Jung must harbor a death-wish against their owners. Jung felt this was completely beside the point, but, as was habitual with him at that stage of the relationship, he kept his doubts to himself. To Jung, the house was an image of the psyche. The room on the upper floor represented his conscious personality. The ground floor stood for the first level of the unconscious, which he was to call the personal unconscious, while in the deepest level of all he reached the collective unconscious. [_] To him, the skulls had nothing to do with death-wishes. They belonged to our human ancestors, who helped shape the common psychic heritage of us all.4
So basically Jung thought that the dream represented the human psyche in general and did not have anything to do with any specific real life occurences.
Freud on the other hand, and i assume as its not explicitly stated, thought the house in the dream represented his Psychoanalytical Theory, and perhaps even their relationship as a whole. While Jung liked certain aspects of it, the deeper he went into it the more he found things he disliked, and even resented. Freud probably thought the thing he resented the most about it was Freud himself. Jung liked Freuds theory, but the closer you got to the center of the theory, so the more you found Freuds own personal influences, the more Jung resented it all. He secretly resented Freud, and in my opinion Freud perfectly pinned this down.
I also think that Jung on some level at least knew what was going on, but was in denial
So my question to you guys is, who do you think was right? I think that both were right desu. The house did represent the human psyche, but it also represented Jungs own specific human psyche, and specifically how Jung felt about Freuds pyschoanalytical theory, and even Freud himself
Chad Jung was absolutely based and virgin Freud couldn't help but try to slap his theories on all occurrences. The house being the human psyche makes absolute sense, there is no reason at all for resentment to be in there.
I cant seem to analyze my emotions. It seems like i've hit the wall.
Well start with knowing them then. What exactly are these emotions? You cant analyze something if you dont even know what it is
You fail to understand your audience. Modern Jow Forums is a festering shitpile dedicated to circle-jerking and self-loathing. The board's culture shuns actual critical thought as it may require its users to think critically about their own situation. I would be delighted for actual conversation to take place here but you are more likely to get a few posts of self-pitying and then a 404.
Everything seems so mixed up like tangled ball. I have no idea what i want or who am i. It feels like i'm emotional stuck at 11-12.
You cant do much with that information man. You first have to figure out what it exactly is that is making you feel that way