SARMS

Youre having a laugh right now aren’t you mate. Go ahead. You deserve it.

hahha

Why is that faggot putting it to his eye?

How do you have fixed reps and sets on dice squat? Unless you only have a pair of dice with 4s and 6s...

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SARMS are stupid and you are weak

cutting 4% bf is not easy, and you are going to spend shit ton of time counting your calories like a faggot. with sarms it will be easier and thats a fact

All of the risks of steroids with maybe half of the benefits.

Doesn't take a genius to do the math.

>most SARMs are safer than roids because they only give you the anabolic effect with no androgenic side effect
bull-fucking-shit. They have almost the exact same side effects and can shut down your test production

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22031847

shut your retard mouth you insect

>5'12

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They lower your natural test, of course. Nothing a little PCT can’t fix. However point still stands, you don’t get any androgenic side effects like hair loss or gyno, this is proven.

Also nice fucking study retard, the results state that the treatment group receiving SARMs had the same rate of adverse events as the placebo. Next time put your thinking cap on and READ THE FUCKING STUDY.

BRAAAAAAAAAAPP

legionathletics.com/sarms/

>Furthermore, if you take enough SARMs to cause some of the more serious side effects such as hair loss, gynecomastia, and so on, they may be permanent—just as with anabolic steroid use.
>The negative effects of SARMs may be easier to recover from once you stop taking them than traditional steroids, although this idea is largely based on bodybuilder anecdotes rather than scientific research.

yes, i'm sure that they meant both groups had their natural test production suppressed, including the one not taking a pill that fucks with their hormones.

retard

How are sarms like LGD going to cause hair loss and gyno when they have no androgenic sides. I've ran ligandrol for like 6 weeks before.. your test gets suppressed but it's nothing serious unless you are taking mong tier doses. Just lethargy and mild depression.

source on pic please?

The PCT drugs are the worst drugs involved in a normal cycle...

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>SARMS have no side effects
>except for these side effects

only ostarine and rad 140 are known for a shut down, you can cycle mk-677 without a pct tho

I used Ostarine on a cut, lost fat and gained muscle, nothing dramatic but it definitely worked. No sides apart from decreased libido in the last couple of weeks but could have been in my head

Can you not read? I said androgenic sides you retard. Of course you will feel shitty hit eventually if your T is suppressed.

Your legion athletics article was horseshit. There are NO reported instances, scientific or otherwise, of someone developing gynecomastia as a result of SARMs use because THE COMPOUNDS DON’T CONVERT TO OTHER HORMONES DUMMY. And in reference to the results of the previous citation it didn’t mean both groups experienced negative side effects, it meant NEITHER group experienced side effects. You should do more reading and choose sources that are written by people with a degree(Mike Matthews has no degree and has achieved his level of success off the backs of idiots like you who can’t tell that he’s speaking pure bullshit).

How do you do a Stinky Wing again?

All sarms suppression and LGD is one of strongest. It 100% suppresses you and you will feel it at around the 5 week mark. There's lab results from various dude's bloods online if you google around.

That’s because MK-677 isn’t a SARM, it’s like a test booster but instead of boosting test it boosts GH and insulin-like growth factor. I recommend it, understandable next step after creatine.

how much were you taking per day? how long for?

That’s only if you’re taking RAD 140 or something else super aggressive at large doses. Most people just wait for their system to bounce back after LGD or ostarine cycles.

> 5’12”

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>Slightly Shy Squat

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The correct image

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Fuckin owned.
From what ive read on forums, sarms are absolute pussy tier and are laughable compared to steroids.
I ran some ostarine mk-2866 for 4 weeks. 3 pills a day. Shit was cash. Could workout for hours. Lost fat. Made gains. Been off it for 2 months now. Gains kept.
About to run another 2 bottles in 3 weeks

Have you tried MK-677? I’ve heard it’s pretty safe because it doesn’t affect test and only boosts GH and IGF-1 but I’m still not convinced I’m not going to get a rare strain of ass and ball cancer after taking it.

Nah just ostarine. Heard its the best

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Aren't SARMs the "roids half reps"?

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I would shove my thumb right up that anus.

12.5mg 4 weeks then upped it to 25mg for 4 weeks. Lost about 2lb a week fat and gained muscle

has anyone ever tried x raying this picture? the fabric is actually pretty thin...

w r o ng

4 weeks on osta and my nipples just itching. Should I be worried?

They don't convert, but your body might produce more estrogen in order to balance it with what it perceives as heightened testosterone levels.

>tfw been looking for sauce since 2015

Okay all androgenic sarms will shut you down.
The lowest is ostarine the highest is LGD and RAD.

Also mk-677 and Cardarine are not androgenic and will not shut you down.
The former is as HGH secretegogue(sp?) the latter is "exercise in a bottle" that will turn your body into a runners body with lower fat.

Not proven as far as I know. Worth some research though, mostly in the world of theory but has something to stand on therein.

If you're already so frustrated at how slow progress is at your strength and LBM that you're already thinking about steroids.... then you may as well give up. You need to learn to make quality progress first before you touch the drugs.

Learning how to eat, manage your stress and sleep and proper form can all have as big as an impact as drugs can. But ultimately even with juice you won't get anywhere without persistence and patience.

I don't trust that you have taken the time to research any of these topics and improve on them. So I definitely don't trust that you've done this research on drugs.

tldr
you have earned the right do juice yet

I’ve ran multiple osta cycles and have only suffered from mild suppression. Which returned to normal a week or two after I hopped off

They are perfectly safe

That second section is absolutely factual. I started working on my form with proper biomechanics and a couple of fellow regulars at my gym who I’ve known for a while asked me if I lost my natty card. Don’t take it lightly, if you’re putting in 5-6 days a week of serious training and not getting the results you want it’s probably one of the three things this user listed.

SARMs are best served in 3-4 week cycles. 5 weeks seems to be where shit starts to go south with most compounds, I know especially with RAD and LGD, not sure how much with osta but play it safe if it’s your first cycle.

how every often do you run a cycle?

gonna need a name, famalam

Cardarine is truly carcinogenic for anyone reading this, but the results are insane.

I knew a girl in Germany that looked like this but she didn't have thihgs or pusy this nice

Because this idiot doesn't know ANYTHING and is just using parroting the other people he's seen making the arguments people used to make against prohormones, even though literally none of them are valid with SARMS.

TO EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD:

If you think sarms are a meme, all you need to know is the first word in the acronym. SELECTIVE. By definition, they just don't do all the suppressive things gear does.

They're literally improved steroids. You won't get the same benefits as a test cycle, but you wlll get virtually no sides. It's litearlly the ideal toe in the water of anabolic substances. Do research.

How long have you had this broski? The fact that the same exercises appear but with different numbers of sets and reps amuses me.

Also some drawfag please draw some of these

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Do research on the shit that hasn't been fucking tested in humans long-term or even enough proper studies short-term?

reddit.com/r/PEDs/comments/bcucw2/a_30_month_journey_of_sarms_use_on_and_off_album/

>His physique mogs most people on heavy steroid cycles
>dream physique

Feels like salty milk and coins

i never do stinky wings for low reps. seems risky injury wise

Cardarine is not as carcinogenic as purported. Studies were funded to stop Olympians from using it in the games, so i wouldn't trust them. It's been used in forumns since the 00s, and never can you find a thread sayin "oh shit, i ran cardarine and got sum cancer"

You are cancer.

This is a bit off topic but can SERMs have some performance enhancing effects?

I got prescribed and have been taking 10mg tamoxifen a day for idiopathic unilateral gynecomastia for the past month and my lifts have been going up a bit and I feel stronger.

What is a good source for the EU? I dont want want to convert currencies and all that shit.

You've got the stats of someone who's been lifting for 6 months and you want to hop on gear already. Slow the fuck down and deal with the grind for a little bit you impatient zoomer.

I don't disagree with you, but I am objective. What's the point of waiting? Is it just a pride/moral thing, or would sarms/steroids not even have an effect? I always wondered why we parrot this argument but never explain the reasoning with facts.

Not OP btw.

Do you ever feel like you open your mouth and add nothing of value to the conversation?

Like a combination of a pelvis and a toothless mouth

Shills working hard itt.
Don't take sarms, they haven't been tested as long as roids and their effects are weak, when you look up before and after pics it's either some dyel who fell for the meme or an obvious roider who's on his blast phase claiming it's sarms. Kind of like how they sell supplements. Take your time and do your research and do a proper test cycle. Let the guinea pigs take the risk for barely any gains.

Lol sour motherfucker has obviously never used sarms. Osterine barely effects natural test levels and if so happens it does you recover within 3-4 weeks look at blood work, god damned jackass.

Post body

its op
6 months? I was 135 pounds and couldnt even bench the barbell. I know for a fact that I made gains, and now I want sarms to help me during a cut. its pointless for me to lift more than that, I started lifting since I wanted to have a good physic, and now my main goal is aesthetics for the summer.

btw guys, ty for helping.
i was looking for a good sarms source and I decided to give up on them, since I cant find 100% trustful sources..

>fire blast squat
how much taco bell do you suggest eating before the gym session to maximize the fire blasts?

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I just started nofap some days ago

MY PP

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That's a good call, but even if you could SARMs have hardly been tested on folks in the way people are taking them. Long-term effects are unknown and, let's face it, most of the people taking sarms aren't going to be taking notes. I'd recommend staying away fromt hem.

No, bad form simultaneously allows you to lift more weight and greatly increase chances of injuring yourself.

How to spot a retard who's never taken organic chemistry. Take a look at the lgd molecule and tell me exactly how its going to be turned into fucking estradiol to cause all those sides.

This pretty much, not sure about the shill thing but sarms are not well-researched and believing the results are comparable to test especially without any sides is just naive.
Besides, OP is too weak to hop on any kind of PED

minimalistic kek

Who is this?

I'm usually on 60-90 days and off for 90-120 days.

You mean powerlifting.

Who has EVER said the results are comparable to test? I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that ever.

Took osta and LGD, so that'sall I can speak to in terms of SARMs. Lifts went up, but nothing crazy. Osta didn't make me feel any suppression, but the LGD defintiely did, but went away after a simple PCT.

They work, as enough research shows. Not like doctors never used them on patients with injuries. Injured old people would gain about 3 lbs of lean muscle mass after a few weeks - and I doubt their work out was extreme. It definitely builds muscle, and on a microscale, it doesnt damage organs like steroids will, hence why PCTs are rarer, non existent, or atleast much simpler than with roids. You could make the argument "but what if you explode in 10 years!!?" which is sort of fair, but if they were so dangerous, even with responsible use, I think we'd have recorded something by now - something, anything, that even indicates horrible side effects could happen even if taken responsibly.

Bottom line:
They do build muscle (not as much as roids will)
Roids are DEFINITELY more dangerous than SARMs.

So if anyone promotes roids, you're a retard to think sarms are more dangerous.

Roids have been around longer and tested.
>being a guinea pig for miniscule gains, ironically because mr. Shill told you it's safer