Why does everyone who denies the common sense knowledge that women love *attractive* assholes ( Male disciples of the...

how many guys you have fucked so far

He's certainly the type that women will line up to get pumped and dumped by though prior to making the skinny nerd jump through hoops and elaborate shit-tests in dating to be deemed worthy as a more long-term partner. Cads and Dads is very much a biological thing ( webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20031024/women-like-cads-sex-dads-mating#1 ).

It certainly seems to be a fast rule for anyone who wants to gain sexual partners that actually see him as immensely sexy and not just an entertaining companion. Actually unattractive men, I.E neckbeards can never be viewed as hot no matter how witty they are, only as platonic clowns or creeps should they try to pull of the same stunts as the alpha jock.

Regardless, the level of disrespect and sheer malice that women not only tolerate, but get turned on far exceeds in it's disgusting nature the male attraction to dumb blondes with big tits, whom most men would still prefer to be well-mannered.

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>Where you at?
0.
i dont fuck guys.

Ahhhh, but dis is bullshit, because for every woman that likes to be choked and degraded, there's a man who likes to entertain a woman who's inferior to him. Don't act like guys aren't out here fucking bimbos, aspiring to fuck bimbos even. Why do the louder, sluttier, more obnoxious women get mens attention first? (Generally, like how you're talking about asshole men being most attractive). It's basic shit. Men are supposed to be dominant and women are supposed to be something to protect. You all like it when we act like pathetic imbeciles until it's 20 years later and we're fat and everything that used to make you feel manly has turned to sexless contempt. It's the same shit. It is kinda hot. But only for the moment. Don't be so mad at it. Not everyone's playing by it, and certainly not forever.

How many did you call Daddy while they beat you into a pulp and humiliated you over a kitchen sink?

I called someone "Daddy" once at his request, came on his cock as a result of the gross taboo, and then immediately after he told me it was weird and he didn't like it.

I'd huff her farts like a bonghit and make her sit on my face at least an hour a day before AND after her track meets.

>Why do the louder, sluttier, more obnoxious women get mens attention first?

men aspire to have 4/10 GF like muffy.
what are you talking about

and most 4/10s want an asshole bf she dreams she can change.

>I called someone "Daddy" once at his request, came on his cock as a result of the gross taboo
>as a result of the gross taboo

the COPE

get out of here slut

First of all, may I remind you that despite the natural male proclivity to 'spread the seed' far and wide or desire instant gratification from fertile women, it was ultimately the enlightened males of every single human culture who founded institutes of monogamy and 'sexual purity' laws which mandated modesty, long-last meaningful bonds and mostly vanilla sexual relations, while it was women in the Ancient World who struggled to enable degeneracy in the name of their 'sexual freedumbs' and still do to the modern day.

It was women who fueled the sexual revolution, women who popularized all the 'Daddy Dom' freak-fest, women who maintain the Tumblr blogs and sub-plebbis about it in droves, women who keep making threads in sexual forums about how they want their men to be more aggressive and dominating, women who continue to lose their articles of clothing on a daily basis in order to sexualize themselves, with increasingly short-shorts, crop-tops, pasties, free the nipple, and wearing nothing to Coachella.

Meanwhile, who's at the forefront of the fight for both women and men *not* acting and dressing like bimbos? Ultra-conservative MEN.

There's also a large difference between liking a protective role and liking it when when you're being used for a 'pig roast' contest, have your nudes sent to everyone to jeer at, being known as a slampig behind your back, and still coming back for more. One is positive, the other is not.

not to be all "i've been here since x" but one more incel telling me to the gtfo isn't going to do it

it only fuels me. i get so wet for sexually frustrated nerds. i think of my pussy as charity.

How many of the 5 men were sexually frustrated nerds? Between -5 to 0.

>as a result of the gross taboo

YOU LOVED IT
Listening how he regretted it and felt gross made your pussy more dry than the sahara desert

citation for women in ancient world being the sexual degenerates? where/when we talkin? today, sure. i was just saying today how disgraceful it was that i grew up during a sentiment of "fuck who you want whenever you want" as if there couldn't be consequences: what a stupid way to deal with shame.

ahhh, but it's men who pay belle delphine an outrageous salary, who make porn the industry it is, who will always love a slut as much as they hate them. if you want chaste girls, they're out there. if you're mad over sluts, then you're probably wishing you were fucking them at frat parties. like why do guys obsess over hoes so much? they're only more visible, i swear. even if they are a majority, there is enough respectable pussy out there, they're just at home or doing something besides drinking at clubs.

mary fuckin wollstonecraft said nearly 200 years ago when women were ACTUALLY second class citizens that they ought to act less pathetic/stop using their pussy for power/and pursue real interests. so yeah, women have no excuse to act the way they do today and modern feminism is mostly despicable, but i just hate you whining men that act like not one single female has an ounce of your humanity.

and your last point about one being positive and one not doesn't make sense. as a female, don't i want to have the best, most alpha male seed me? i've heard that dick heads are shaped to scrape out the previous guys cum. shouldn't i just go to frat parties and let the best sperm win? biologically, this and being a manwhore have merit, but in the civil society that you're wishing women could be a part of, neither acts of whoring are "positive"

my first "boyfriend" was off r9k

>i've heard that dick heads are shaped to scrape out the previous guys cum.

I have heard that one before, its just speculation. Not a fact.

who cares guys like that get he knife first with a good false rape accusation.

Yeah, i know, like everything OP is saying

there are women who will find brutish men attractive and there are men who will find bimbo women attractive

then there are a bunch of other people who are using their brains and their groins, and YOU'LL all get a wife one day, goodnight

Of course sexual degeneracy requires willing Chad participants, and there never was any shortage of those, but during Ancient Greek and Ancient Roman times there quite a few men taking issue with the rampant sexual escapades and Chad-chasing that women were fond of ( Heck, the Athenians even confined women to their homes to prevent hoeing ), and in Rome there were quite a few instances of women leveraging their pussies for power. Meanwhile there are scarce few women to be found in the same camp, much as it's almost impossible to find female politicians or media figures or writers that strictly oppose it today.

womenintheancientworld.com/whatathenianmensaid.htm

You can also read Marcus Aurelius's contemplations on women of this time: edurhetor.wordpress.com/2014/06/04/roman-ladies-farce-upon-marcus-aurelius-and-his-satire-of-women-in-reply/ ( Ironically not very different from today )

Then there's this ( heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/12/27/feminism-responsible-for-the-fall-of-rome/ ) about the rise of female power in Ancient Rome.

>ahhh, but it's men who pay belle delphine

Women romantically starve men by rebelling against pair bonding or staying with their dull yet loving husbands, initiating a situation in which they form harems around a select few men instead. Men who can't get a loving partner are now forced to adjust to the rules of the new world and use prostitutes, porn or Belle Delphine to alleviate their loneliness instead. Simple as that.

>who will always love a slut as much as they hate them.

There would be, intrinsically, no problem with sluts, AKA promiscuous women if they were not just sexually selective unlike men who tend to be more inclusive, but moreso selective of all the worst Dark Triad traits around which only create strife in societies.

> like why do guys obsess over hoes so much? they're only more visible, i swear.

Good night fembot. Your shits all gay and retarded, but its okay, you are a girl, and its not like girls have a soul and humanity, so its fine.
again,
good night.

>Then there's this ( heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/12/27/feminism-responsible-for-the-fall-of-rome/ ) about the rise of female power in Ancient Rome.

The Roman elite left because being feudal lords was the next big thing, kid.
Slow down on your incelism.

>there is enough respectable pussy out there, they're just at home or doing something besides drinking at clubs
then they might as well not exist. i've been on every dating app and the women are like peopleofwalmart. honestly i'm attractive as fuck and literally every chick i've met off an app in the last four years has wanted me, but as soon as i see them irl i always breathe a sigh of disappointment knowing i'm about to waste a couple hours getting to know someone way below my level. how do i meet the people worth meeting? i assume by bothering them in public while they're busy doing other shit. would you like it if someone did that to you? i sure as fuck wouldn't.

i realize this ain't the place to complain about this and no one here will respond with anything but contempt for one reason or another, but my point stands: if you're not making yourself available in a space built for this purpose, you aren't a part of the equation.

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Because those women are the epitome of the Brave New World which in itself was instigated by women during the sexual revolution, and it's what most female magazines ( Jezebel, Bustle, etc.. ) along with female Tumblrs ( Pre-Purge ) and the like obsess over as a lifestyle.

Regardless, it is my impression that those 'hoes' encompass the entire spectrum of women, from the fat, ugly video-game playing ones to the rave chicks. The majority of nerdy, ugly, relationship-seeking guys I see in Comic-Cons or online are all still kissless virgins and the only stories they have to share about their crushes involves them being raked in a one-night standard with Alpha jocks.

The seething repulsion and antagonism coming from those 'reserved, intelligent' women at technological events or conventions toward any potential flirting attempt by their male counterparts is palpable in the air.

>and your last point about one being positive and one not doesn't make sense

Morally positive, which is the opposite of amoral social darwinism positive. If you want to use the socially darwinian perspective, then killing everyone who has no benefit to you and enslaving the rest would also be the positive mindset.

There were many causes, but that article is mostly useful as a timeline reference. However, the famous incel Marcus Aurelius begs to differ with you.

>never through any actual objective examples to the contrary
Because that's the point idiot savant. The point is to not permit argumentative debate as to not have massive social implications. That's why all we know about chad, roasties 80-20, cock carousel, beta bux, etc is never discussed outside of here. Since truth is not permitted but ridiculed, as to prevent catastrophe.

Why you acting like men never tried to control women beyond what was just? Like weren't men fucking each others assholes in Rome at the same time they're worried about women's conduct? Hasn't there always been hypocrisy up until recently when you have women trying to reverse that stereotype by acting like guys?Haven't there been times when men could kill their wives for being adulterous but the same didn't apply to their faithfulness? Like don't give me fucking ancient men's opinions of women from an ancient society. How would you have it then? Should men own women again? just do your part as an individual, and don't mate with a slut.

And I think there's a bunch of lonely people, but yes, women can get that attention easier whenever they should need it. I think about that a lot, about how any night I'm lonely I could find some random guy to entertain me in some affectionate way. Maybe it isn't that way for guys. But I hope you realize at the same time how impairing all of this is to women. You're better off being called a wimp for the behaviours we get away with and shit. And also you realize you're part in this, as men who encourage shitty women's behaviour. Media has long glorified the slutty bimbo, like especially in the 2000s before feminists got some say in media. The ideal was a titty ditz. That's a confusing message to grow up with.

So we're sluts, but we're selective sluts. Hm. I see. I always felt like I was ready to be slutty with a lot of different types and that was part of the appeal. If they're smarter than me, that's the real dominance I'm after (not hard to achieve, being a woman and all).

Because you're saying it to a bunch of femanons who likely aren't a part of the general female population that fall into these generalizations so of course they're going to argue it. Those same femanons see the mass majority of men chasing low iq bitchy females that they have nothing in common with and think it's all the opposite.

I have a great example since I'm above average and married a former incel, but luckily he never spent time in places like this so he was still optimistic and eager for love when I met him. Literally all of my female friends that are happily married have less attractive husbands except exactly 1. Including my parents and grandparents, all of my aunts and uncles, and the same with my husbands entire family. I know there have been a few studies linking marital happiness for females with a less attractive spouse too, so maybe there's a reason I notice the trend among the lasting couples I know. How about the marriages in your family? Females generally more attractive than the males yeah? Physical attraction just isn't as much of an indicator for long lasting female satisfaction. I get why you're all obsessed with young women and initial attraction and dating, but there is a full family life where how bad you wanna fuck someone from Tinder is just irrelevant. I think you'd find better arguments with the way women chase money over everything else.

Just need to add that it is possible to be a self aware female and recognize where that attraction is coming from, understand that we no longer need a physically intimidating man in civilized society, and instead opt for a man we can admire. Of course you're not gonna find a lot of that in college, and you won't find many guys that age that would prefer a basic becky over the hottest sorority girls either. Bold and arrogant wins out easily when you're young but that changes when you get to an age where a lot of people have had personal experience with loudmouthed cocky men or attention seeking whores, and our sex drives go down so we're able to reflect and more clearly and make rational decisions about the people we date.

>Why you acting like men never tried to control women beyond what was just?

I don't, but that is non-sequitur to our discussion about sexuality.

>Like weren't men fucking each others assholes in Rome at the same time they're worried about women's conduct? Hasn't there always been hypocrisy up until

I've already told you, it takes two to tango, of course there are men who need to enable those behaviors, but the point is that there have always been men who were trying to surpass those trends as well thanks to male neurodiversity. How many women have there been advocating that every guy of every social strata should be married in a dignified fashion regardless of appearance and social strata, 'in sickness and in health', with absolute duty and loyalty versus concerns of status and 'ambitions', as an alternative to Darwinian sexuality? How many women are doing so today?

>Haven't there been times when men could kill their wives for being adulterous but the same didn't apply to their faithfulness?

There have, but as far as the religions which mostly practiced these punishments, for the longest period of time in both Judaism and Islam, the verdict is that both male and female adulterers are to be whipped/stoned if caught.

>How would you have it then? Should men own women again?

Genetic engineering.

>But I hope you realize at the same time how impairing all of this is to women.

What is that supposed to mean?

> as men who encourage shitty women's behaviour.

I see mostly women encouraging it and men rolling along with it because they feel like they need to, actually. And before feminists got a say in the media, are you kidding me? Ever since women were allowed to express themselves freely with all that feminist 'sex positivity' crap, sexualization of women has completely skyrocketed.

>that changes when you get to an age where a lot of people have had personal experience with loudmouthed cocky men or attention seeking whores, and our sex drives go down so we're able to reflect and more clearly and make rational decisions about the people we date.
the difference is that by that point, good women have had life experiences and good men have not, and we can no longer relate to you. our best years are behind us now and we spent them waiting for you.

>If they're smarter than me
how would you notice this? how do you judge men's intelligence? just verbally, by how smart they "sound", or by accomplishments like studying a field that's thought to require brains, or something else?

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Before the 2000's it would be a complete shock for everyone around if a woman showed up to a cosplay convention for example with her entire buttcheeks and stomach exposed, nowadays when women are actually not shamed from doing what they WANT, they deliberately go out with the sluttiest clothes imaginable to literally anywhere they can - Cosplays, Festivals, parties, the streets.

Women have thousands if perfectly normal books and films to choose from yet they swarm all over the 50 shades of Grey bullshit in record numbers which itself was written by a woman. The movies where the woman is at her sluttiest are the ones where liberal feminists direct it, not the ones directed by 80 year old conservatives.

Every single apparatus that modern women touch becomes sexualized to oblivion. Every single female entertainer's twitter I open is 100% about Chads and being a titty ditz. Female performers are the ones who deliberately choose to sexualize themselves on stage and fully say how much they enjoy doing so.

>If they're smarter than me, that's the real dominance I'm after (not hard to achieve, being a woman and all).

Hypergamy isn't good in any manifestation. A single man for a single woman would be preferable so that everyone is equally matched.

Conversation. I'd fuck OP, even though I think he's wrong in a lot of ways.

>Conversation
by how smart they sound.

>Ever since women were allowed to express themselves freely with all that feminist 'sex positivity' crap, sexualization of women has completely skyrocketed

Not her but theres just such a huge market and that market is men and theb women reacting to it. Women love Cardi B and women like her because when they act or dress like Cardi B they get all the positive feedback they could ever ask for. I mean girls can actually get rich just doing ahegao faces and cosplay on IG with a patreon. Why do men reward the behavior? A lot of men love those women and would literally kill to have their very own instagram girl fuck doll. It's a shitty cycle and both sexes are kinda fuckin up. Sex positivity just means women don't have to be ashamed of their need for validation anymore and they can make money while they're at it. I'd definitely argue that most men are glad for this than not, even places like this where a lot of guys appreciate a nice trad girl, they post, pay, follow, talk about, and obsess over these girls on TikTok/IG etc. I gotta agree with you though I think sex positivity is ultimately a bad thing for peoples happiness and finding genuine connection with other people but I hate to admit 10+ years ago it seemed like a great idea and somewhat liberating.

if you can't reasonably tell if someone is smart after talking with them awhile, i've got news for you, user.

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so just verbal intelligence then. good for me in theory but I don't think you represent the average woman in this regard.

>Why do men reward the behavior?
because they're so pathetically lonely due to lack of the most basic sexual validation in their lives.

Lol same and same. Just because of the effort to learn and understand and back up an argument. It's sexy desu.

im old enough to know that appearances fool you

You don't have to sell me on modern feminists being horrible, and not even good for women. But I guess what it all comes down to, do you think women are horrible biologically or because of something going on societally? Are women better in different parts of the world? At different times in history? I just want every man on this board to stop and consider what they would do with themselves as a female (besides touch their boobs and stick sharpies inside). Would you wear makeup? Would you seek attention if you knew you could get it when you feel lonely or insecure? Would you question where you stand/your abilities? Like it's not as though females don't see what you see. We do, but we also don't have a choice, and it's a difficult terrain to navigate--as is being a man in a society that cherishes the frat boy. In high school I was always bitter about the type of women who got the most attention, almost regardless of actual sex-appeal. It's just how it goes, but I'm not sure that the people who aren't Stacy/Chad even real want a part of that anyways, right? Just concerning to see it as a common trope, I suppose.

Choosing to marry a 'provider' type for stability and comfort's sake after not only rejecting them, but shaming them as disgusting creeps throughout their youth for their romantic overtures isn't really much of a counterargument.

It's extremely insulting to be treated as a backup plan who's only good for one thing but not for the other. How would someone feel if a friend of theirs refused to invite them to a party under the excuse that they aren't 'worthy' of being there but told them "Don't worry though, you're still good whenever I need information about computers. The fact that I would refuse to invite you anywhere while inviting everyone else is irrelevant."

If you're going to fuck strangers, then then you should also confirm that you find your potential long-term partner as sexy/emotionally alluring enough for that sort of intimacy to begin with, and marrying them as an extension of that, not as a retirement option. Or else don't be fucking Chads from Tinder at all.

>and you won't find many guys that age that would prefer a basic becky over the hottest sorority girls either.

Except you know, 70% of this board and the hundreds of thousands of 'incels' or virgin nerds out there in the Comic-Cons who dream about playing video games with basic becky and cuddling, while she's off dreaming about having her hair pulled by Chad.

By how attractive they are, what else.

Just from my perspective personally, ya'll need to retire that opinion. I've been deeply sexually attracted to an overweight guy with spina bifida before because he could run laps around me mentally. So it doesn't always apply. And yes, I am capable of obtaining much more traditionally fuckable men. Just this week I kept staring at a clueless skinny guy with long hair who wears these huge winter boots that he drags around and make him look like a little kid, and I kept thinking about his cock. Some women are like men in the sense that they can be horny for a variety of beings. I like people's essence. I will deep throat your essence.

I don't really even know what the answer is to that problem other than good men trying harder and I know that sounds patronising but I don't mean it to. Maybe trying talking with girls online to ease their anxiety over females, make a few female friends in some games.
Guys used to have a lot more incentive to get out there and socialize and try but we've got free porn now, girls whose lives you can follow online, online friends etc. Just can't get trapped by all the cope the internet gives you. Rejection doesn't have to be crippling, and avoidant personality disorder doesn't have to be a life sentence.
Part of a guys experience should also be to acknowledge that the flashy kind of females that got their attention are unattainable, and that even when they see these girls dating guys they're still flirting with other guys, that those kinds of girls only speak to them when they need something, etc. I don't think we all need to date a few Chads and Staceys to learn. I never went through the bad boy phase a lot of my gfs went through because I learned from their experiences.

It's women who tend to hold all of the cards in that dynamic though. Men, as a whole, for clear biological reasons have always been the active 'pursuers' - They'll try to adapt themselves to anything that women do if they believe it would allow them to find a mate. There are men however, worldwide, and almost always nations that are still patriarchal ( China, Middle-East, etc.. ) which are desperately trying to shield themselves from that sort of influence, even going as far as blocking social media and banning movies to do it.

What do we get in feminine-oriented environments though, with nations such as Canada for example? Just more, and more, and more, and more and more endless hyper-sexualization. If it's so taxing on young women as well, why are there so few female sexual conservatives?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_sex_differences

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15491274

There are definitely psychological differences between men and women which are biologically rooted and I do think statistics show that Hypergamy and Male Disposability are ingrained into the neurotypical female neurology, barring exceptions.

However, I only care to observe the trends, I have no reason to cast off any anomaly which manifests itself, on the contrary. What I would do as a woman? First of all, I would never, *ever* attack or shame someone for flirting or sexually messaging me in a conceited manner, pretending to be outraged by it. I don't do that as a male either if some gay dude thinks it's a good idea to hit on me. Everyone has the right to make approaches and the phenomena of forcing ugly nerdy men to walk on eggshells or risk being gaslighted with malicious labels need to stop.

Secondly, I definitely wouldn't reward men who disrespect me by coming back to them on all fours. Finally, yes, I would be open and affectionate toward men who share the same circumstances as me. This is not just a claim, it's a verifiable fact:

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Look how much guys fall head over heels for Tomoko and her typecast in animes who is basically a socially retarded, clingy shut-in who's far from a bimbo. Or how every 'female robot here, I'm fat and ugly and..yada yada' immediately gets by requests for relationships.

There's an incredibly large amount of neurodivergent men who have completely different priorities but there doesn't seem to be a corresponding number of women who share them or else we wouldn't be looking at handholdless kissless permavirgin communities that are 99.9% male.

Well, here's a woman who can tell you that I was never this way with men who approached me. In fact, I had to learn to not think I owed the guys who approached me any more than neutral courtesy. Don't be scared to approach a girl. If she's a cunt that's on her end and of no loss to you/whoever.

Yes, sometimes I am overwhelmed by all the cocks I'd like to take in and how I can do this while still remaining chaste and loyal for them.

Where did you even get any of these ideas from my post? I don't like that women waste their time with low iq, shitty, mean men just to realize theyre only gonna find love with the nice guy that's orbiting them. That's just the way it is, and the best you can do for your sanity and to stay optimistic is to know that it gets better and a lot of people will eventually grow out of chasing their instincts over rationale. I can't change how most young females act. My "counterargument" is pretty much just no, not all females are like that even young, but yes, most people are shit and have no idea what they want, but it gets better and this time in your life will just be a bad memory (unless you refuse to keep trying ofc).

>remaining
*seeming

Easier said and done. I see sexual pickup lines and juvenile innuendo from hot guys on Tinder in screenshots that women respond positively to yet I would be completely abashed to send to someone I hardly know, I see Chads regaling stories of how women literally sat down on their lap and started making out with them out of the blue, or grabbed their junk, or female friends who decided to call them up one night and ask if they'd be down for a threesome.

At the same time I see endless whining in female forums about fat ugly looking at them a second too long as objectifying even as those same women share stories about flattering their eyelashes and sizing up hot guys who walked in to the gym or wherever. I see a million stories of women hitting on guys at work and then women complaining that any ugly nerd trying to flirt with them doesn't respect boundaries and is an harasser because you're never supposed to flirt in a professional environment. I see women arguing that it's bothersome, annoying and creepy for anyone to approach them with a relationship in mind because it means the person doesn't see women as human beings and doesn't value friendships, or some other contrived bullshit. Meanwhile those women are making BDSM profiles on Tinder with actually objectifying demands for their male Daddy Doms. I have screenshots of women outright admitting they find compliments from ugly men 'insulting'. Because it's, I quote, like being offered a job as a janitor when you have a PhD.

But all it takes is for those 'cunts' to tell her friends that you dared 'bother' her and everyone is going to fully side with the woman, as it so happens in the West in every scenario. You end up not just destroying your chances with other women, but being socially demolished by every other man as well and possibly relegated to being a pariah.

it's just not realistic. you're asking a group of beat-down people to hustle on an insane level with no emotional support, and for what? bust your ass to navigate a minefield in order to give women even more free attention and drinks than they were already getting, and still be unable to fathom the life they get to have just by existing in public, which by the way you are now contributing to. honestly, the more time goes on, the more i feel like suicide is the most sensible option.

I am speaking generally about the women who do participate in such activities, and if there are young ones who do not, then they definitely seem to be much less present than their male equivalents. Naturally if it were otherwise then we would not have places like this where this understanding is relatively common but the gender ratio is 95/5 male to female rather than 50/50 male and female, and if it were the latter, then it would only be reasonable for both to pair up with each other and for these issues to resolve themselves.

Saying that the better part of your youth and the age range in which humans are organically meant to develop romantically to the fullest are just going to be a 'bad memory' is not exactly comforting. Bad memories leave lasting psychological damage, extremely bad lasting damage, as everyone who deals with prolonged trauma knows.

It's like telling someone "Don't worry if your life is going to suck until you're 80, but between 80 and 90 it's going to be great"

I mean I completely agree with this entire post so I'm not sure what to say. I lean conservative and I can't even begin to tell you how much shit I've gotten over the years for it, and I'm really pretty damned moderate.
Men and women are just different, we bring different strengths and weaknesses together for a pretty good partnership, until feminism on the whole decided that liberation means being a man and freely using sexuality to get by. Equal opportunity and visibility was all we needed, not sameness, I don't even know where that idea came from. Men aren't faultless ofc, when they told women that anything having to do with femininity is lesser or shit enough times how could anyone be surprised when women decided they wanted to be men too?

You sound like you have some personal hurt or anger to work through. I understand that you look around and see all of this stuff, but come on, ever heard of confirmation bias? Are you acting blind towards the examples that don't confirm your pessimistic misogyny? It's bleak but it ain't that bleak, and if you're that concerned, do more than rant about women sucking. Write a story with a respectable female protagonist, and not in the feminist Star Wars Rey-way. I mean maybe that's not your thing, but you see my point. Get over it, move towards what you want instead of fretting over the negative reality you don't have to be a part of or discouraged by.

>You sound like you have some personal hurt or anger to work through

Ad hominem is not an argument. Yeah, there are *plenty* of men with personal hurt and anger to go through thanks to the norms which currently reign over society.

>I understand that you look around and see all of this stuff, but come on, ever heard of confirmation bias?

Nope. All of this holds true for representative samples of ugly, nerdy men. The amount of guys who are called creeps for the most arbitrary, petty reasons imaginable ranging from glancing at someone the wrong way to just hitting on a woman who's in a bad mood number in the tens of millions, literally. Put in the keyword 'creep' into Twitter, Facebook or Plebbit and start counting. Has there suddenly been some kind of global evil male epidemic or is it just that young spoiled women are over-sensitive and capricious to anyone who gets near them without meeting their criteria? Pretty sure it's the latter judging by the content of these accusations.

>and if you're that concerned, do more than rant about women sucking. Write a story with a respectable female protagonist, and not in the feminist Star Wars Rey-way

What the hell are you even talking about? How is writing a story with a female protagonist relevant to anything? What are you even trying to say? There are tons of books with all sorts of female protagonists gathering dust in libraries, I'm not sure what point you are making.

I'm saying we need examples of women that women can aspire to be. But more than that they should just be able to use their rationality to decide that for themselves. idk man, i'm tired.

but as for it being an "ad hominem," if you can't tell, i stopped being combative around the time when i said i'd fuck you. i wasn't trying to get personal and break you; i'm just wondering if it isn't coming from a place of subjectivity, because you seem very hesitant to entertain that it's not always this gloomy

>I've been deeply sexually attracted to an overweight guy with spina bifida
You're the same chick who's been saying this exact thing for god knows how long one, it's nice to see that this is such an uncommon thing that you pull it out as an example of your virtue every single time something like this is discussed.
>make him look like a little kid, and I kept thinking about his cock.
That's absolutely disgusting, why do you think a normal guy would want someone like you?

Sorry I had some chores to do real quick

Iirc there's quite a bit more neurodiversity in males? Might be the reason it seems easier to generalize females. Females count on social groups a lot more than men and building/navigating communities for status so we will always be more of a hivemind but imo it's still important to not throw a blanket over any individuality. A lot of women are also very different behind closed doors but won't express any of it in public for fear of alienation or status loss.

If you think suicide is an option you're already giving up on some level. Why not tell yourself suicide can be a viable option at say 45+? Just throw it out as an option altogether, seriously. Don't care how lame it sounds. Don't resign. How old are you?

80? Cmon lol. I know it sounds depressing, I guess my only advice would be to find something else you're passionate about, pursue other endeavors, pursue female friendships but do not put then first and do not let them use you like you're some kind of resource to them, socialize as much as you can away from the internet or even on a normie kind of game like WoW or something, pretty much any place where you can find people with different perspectives because it's really really easy to get your head stuck in a place like r9k.

women are on par with the mentally retarded.

>Why not tell yourself suicide can be a viable option at say 45+?
I'll be 45 next year. Thanks for helping me put things into perspective.

Other femanon here
>I'm saying we need examples of women that women can aspire to be.

Do you have any females/female characters of late that you look up to? I've been watching a lot of shows lately for the first time in a long time and finding a surprising amount of female characters that I just loove.

Will you really? See this is why we shouldn't make assumptions because I just threw an age out there that would be far away in a 18-19 yr olds mind. Is there a way we can talk in a bit, like discord or something? If you want or need to.

Why would I talk to a piece of shit who wants to see me dead?

>basil
what the fuck?

lol this got so dark
gud thread

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I don't hate Chad for being born a Chad

Different poster here, I am assuming you are a femanon?

Are you saying that if there were more stories out there with female protagonists behaving in an honorable manner, that women would start aspiring to be like those female protagonists and thus emulate their behavior?

Good thread guys btw.

So let's think, how exactly do we change society so that females stop being attracted to assholes?

>How old are you?
actually that user here. i'm about to round the corner to 32. i'm a huge normie by r9k standards, but i was also incel till age 27 and have lasting psychological hangups as a result. had the good fortune to be tall and handsome though, so the past five years have made up for some things. it just feels like i skipped basic training and went straight to war. everyone i like is taken and the scraps that are left are, well, scraps. plus i just don't know many people. agoraphobia will do that.

>Iirc there's quite a bit more neurodiversity in males?

Probably, yeah. I do think that it's a bit dupliticious to be very different behind closed doors though, if there are women who would like to do things differently they should probably let their voice be heard.

Pursuing other endeavors is what most robots are already doing, but it's a natural urge to feel the clock ticking about relationships. Deprivation of affection is, after all, scientifically known to be absolutely detrimental to both mental and physical health.

nhs.uk/live-well/sexual-health/benefits-of-love-sex-relationships/

Porn exists because women star in it

Belle Delphine exists because shes a whore doesnt want to work.

Its not mens fault women do things, its womens fault. We arent allowed to beat yo anymore, thank you feminism and no you rampant and yet you still blame us for not keeping you in line.

It's fucked, just try to live beyond it.
>We're all gonna make it brah.

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Look, it's not that hard.

If you get it right you heither do it or yu chose not for the obvious reasons.
But talking about that with rage?

What is bro? you cant manage to be an assole?
guess what? you don't get it!

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