Normies aren't normal, either

Of course normies can suffer and be sad. Being sad isn't what makes someone a robot. Robots are the weirdos, losers, and autists who were ostracized from the social public, the gross and ugly people that normalfags of every denomination find creepy. Noremalfags come here thinking it's just a board for "feels" that include your third gf cheating on you two times more than you cheated on her. This is a board, no, a website for deplorables, people who society hates and shuns. This is not your normie blog, and you are not welcome here. It is, or at least was, a tiny place of solace and refuge for the truly hopeless. Those who NEVER had friends, those who were actually diagnosed with autism, schizophrenia, etc, those who have been virgins their entire life and whose interaction with females was slim to none, so far beyond sexual that it is laughable to see normies wonder why they are not wanted here.

>I pass for a normie. I have a gf, a house, a job
You are a normie, retard

>More Hikikomori Than Thou
Humans always compete for status and defend territory. Kind of funny in its own way.

>hurr durr not ur sekrit club
It's not about being a hikikomori, and if you think that then you really don't understand the kind of person robots were. There was a time when all people who watched anime, played videogames, etc, were known to be total losers. It wasn't just a fucking meme back then, because it hadn't been normalized and sterilized for the general viewing public. This is a website made for anime porn, and back the if you watched that you WERE a virgin loser. No if ands or buts, you were. Normal people who picked up on all those "nerdy and cool" hobbies in the last 4-5 years because they saw it getting popular will NEVER understand what it meant to truly be a loser. We are not proud of being losers and virgins, but we at least wanted a place where we wouldn't be ridiculed for it and where normal people wouldn't come and bother us. You just don't understand, you think it's a spectrum or sliding scale or something. It isn't. Some people are losers and others are simply not. No matter how much a normalfag spends as a NEET, no matter how much they distance themselves from society they will NEVER truly be a robot, because they do not understand the pain of having been, not by choice but forever ostracized by the rest of the world. The true stark loneliness of having never know any companionship your entire life, of having known neither friends nor females, is something a normie can NEVER understand. It's not just about being sad. It's the absolutely dehumanizing sadness of knowing you are not a human in the eyes of society.

Does it count if you have had friends but they were awful people in the end?

Much as I despise the faggot that drew pic related I can't deny that's he's right - it's a part of the human condition, even here on the super robot nine thousand forum board page.

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>churchy soccer mom
>cheats on him

Of course

>used up roast can't get Chad to fuck her on Tinder
Idgaf.

Tracy's a fucking slut, her husband a cuck

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do u get to touch her tiddies

if normie culture isn't good enough to maintain a good collective sense of what normality is, how to maintain it and keep your body happy, and your mind healthy, maybe technological progress requires us to change in body and mind before we can be normal
or you can just drop out

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Technological change has come so fast that our sense of normalcy has been perverted. It was scant century from radio to the internet.

for one thing, I don't like when people say 'lol' out loud but when internet culture begins to manifest irl in positive ways like with Deliveroo people basically being netty teenagers you can begin to hope

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tbph, whenever I hear from/about people I haven't seen in a long time, it's almost always bad news.

I guess normies are just better at /coping/

"Normal" is an illusion IMO. It doesn't exist. Everyone is different in some measurable and objective way.

>I don't offer advice
Typically I would judge you for this, but in her circumstances it's useless to give advice anyway. There's no way she is going to get a divorce and abandon her kids.

>I pass for a normie. I have a gf, a house, a job, and I'm terribly alone. Always have been, always will be. I have pets because they keep me from kms.
I feel as though despite you having some characteristics of a robot, your life experience isn't really the same as ours. I think all of us here have some form of mental illness, but, in our case, it affects our interactions with people, and brings us social problems. In your case, it seems as though your illness only affects you individually, or, if it affects your social life, it doesn't affect it in the same way as it does to us. So, I think you are neither a normie not a robot. However, if you think this is not the case, I would like to hear more.

oh an Deliveroo people can also have a personal motorbike or not which means the workers supply their own means of production I always support that because it means you can participate inna culture without feeling like you're always at its tit

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Obviously in context it means happy, sane, well adjusted, and fulfilled. Stop making Talmudic arguments.

Look bub, it sucks that her life is the way it is but it's hell of a lot better than not having a life at all. People struggle and work though the good and the bad in life and that's what makes them normal. What isn't normal is being a friendless, unemployed, virgin retard. If Tracy ever needed a shoulder to cry on, a dick to ride on, or some love and support she's got plenty of ways to get it.

What matters is that you play the game, not if you win it or not.

>Obviously in context it means happy, sane, well adjusted, and fulfilled.
If someone does this and they're ugly and socially awkward, they are not a "normalfag" by Jow Forums's standards. What Jow Forums means by normal is "attractive and popular" which isn't that normal in the statistical sense.

Normalcy is an illusion

>it's useless to give advice anyway.
Women almost never want advice. They want someone to listen and offer nothing substantive, because women are crazy. Or rather, their thoughts are so far removed from ours that they may as well be.

>So, I think you are neither a normie not a robot.
Possibly. I'm not sure what the criteria is.

>r9k normal means Facebook normal
The irony is fucking killing me, brother.

Another part of the human condition is acclimation to your current conditions. Here's an example, winning the lottery. If you won, say $250,000,000, what would you do? Dont say it, just think it. Now, what do people with money actually do? Defend the status quo and make themselves miserable. People define themselves in relation to their current conditions, not in absolute terms

>Women almost never want advice
Some of them do. My sister often seeks advice. It's just that a lot of the guys here on Jow Forums tend to be with the same kinds of women every time (because they are most compatible with them). They're a type of woman I do not enjoy at all, almost to the point of hatred. They are too emotional (to the point of hysteria), almost completely irrational, lacking any form of willpower, caring way too much about other people (even strangers), and always going with the will of the group, even if it contradicts their own. I prefer other types of women, but it's a subjective thing. You would probably find a lot of flaws in the kind of women I like that I wouldn't consider flaws.

>Possibly. I'm not sure what the criteria is
Your social skills are compromised for some reason, and you face hardship because of that. In my case, I can barely talk to the opposite sex and strangers, but I'm fine talking to dudes I know.
Robots often also have other problems which can be attributed to mental illness, but that's not the primary criterion.

>this
r9k hates hearing this. they hate hearing about """""normie"""""" problems cuz they have all the things they think will make them happy.
here's the thing though: they don't. you can be married (for betabux or otherwise), have a good job, have a stable home/money situation, have kids you love (even if they are leeches), be a success in all measurable areas of your life, and still feel like a fucking failure.
r9k hates this because they would give anything to be Tracy and wholeheartedly believe they would be happy if they were her.
But she's just being a whiny roastie, right anons?

>Some of them do.
Very few, that's the point.

>Your social skills are compromised
True, I had to teach myself how to become attractive. In many ways it was that experience, discovering how women could be gamed, that led to me becoming red pilled on other things.

> I can barely talk to the opposite sex
Not that long ago, you wouldn't have needed to, you'd have been matched with a woman of similar level.

The "Who /trueneet/? Represent, niggas!" ITT is pretty amusing. As always, perspective. Tracy:NEET::NEET:A Venezuelan peasant, etcetera.

>Very few, that's the point
It really depends on who you hang out with. I've been with groups full of women like you describe, and others full of their opposite: loving advice and rationality, but also loving social intrigue, loving conformity (to the point of enforcing it on others), not being able to take a joke, and extremely judgemental. I like neither one of these common types.

> discovering how women could be gamed
How can you do this without hating the person you are with? If you do it through dishonest means, how can you respect the woman you end up with? If anything, you could be pretty sure she doesn't love you at all, but only the tricks you use.

>Not that long ago, you wouldn't have needed to, you'd have been matched with a woman of similar level.
I am vehemently opposed to enforced monogamy. It pretty much guarantees you will not end up with someone that loves you, but with someone who was forced to be with you - someone who hates you. I would hate to live in such a society.

>How can you do this without hating the person you are with?
I train my dogs using tricks. It doesn't mean that I hate them, it means that I recognize them for what they are. Same with women.

>how can you respect the woman you end up with?
Again, I understand what they are and what motivates them. They aren't men, and I don't expect them to be men.

>with someone who was forced to be with you - someone who hates you
Without sexual contact with others, two young people will bond and mold themselves to one another. A stable society that shuns divorce and adultery reinforces this bond, by showering chaste women with status and comfort, which they crave. It would reward beta bucks men for supporting a family. Today's culture is basically the opposite of that - Chad gets rewarded for banging as many roasties as possible, women get rewarded culturally by being childless independent sluts. Beta providers get told to die in a fire.

The results of this are self evident.

>I train my dogs using tricks. It doesn't mean that I hate them, it means that I recognize them for what they are. Same with women.
Yeah, but that implies you see women as your inferiors. I can do that with some people (if they truly prove to be inferior to me), but I can't do it to people I care about. I legitimately have to see them as equals in order to love them, whether they are friends or people I'm in a relationship with.

>I understand what they are and what motivates them
Can you please enlighten me on this?

>Without sexual contact with others, two young people will bond and mold themselves to one another
This is not necessarily true. By this logic, today's marriages should only stop working once one party starts to cheat. It is not what happens.

>A stable society that shuns divorce and adultery reinforces this bond
Society reinforces the idea that crime is bad. Would you be willing to abolish the police and prisons? You would always have to resort to legal means to impose monogamy.

>by showering chaste women with status and comfort, which they crave
Yeah, because no man wants status or comfort, right?

>Chad gets rewarded for banging as many roasties as possible, women get rewarded culturally by being childless independent sluts
They really don't though. A lot of society still shuns this kind of behaviour.

>Beta providers get told to die in a fire.
I agree with this though. A man who places himself in a position of voluntarily being exploited by a woman deserves nothing, because he is not a man at all.

>The results of this are self evident
What are they, exactly?

>that implies you see women as your inferior
Does it? My dog runs faster, hears better, and would fight harder than me. I'm his master is all.

>Can you please enlighten me on this?
Dogs and women need a leader.

>today's marriages should only stop working once one party starts to cheat. It is not what happens.
All of the cultural incentives are on marriage to fail, nowadays. As if two virgins getting married is more than a fractional percent anyways.

>You would always have to resort to legal means to impose monogamy.
Yup.

>Yeah, because no man wants status or comfort, right?
Of course it works both ways and of course there are feedback loops such as women desiring a high status mate. Do I need to spell all of that out?

>A lot of society still shuns this kind of behaviour.
Give an example, let's see how mainstream it is.

>A man who places himself in a position of voluntarily being exploited by a woman deserves nothing,
You don't get stable societies or families when every man is Chad Thundercock. Beta providers are the bedrock of civilization.

>What are they, exactly?
Rampant degeneracy and dysgenic behavior. Pic related. Perverts in dresses fondling children should be jailed if not lynched, not celebrated and promoted.

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>Does it?
Yeah. Check this out:
>I'm his master
>Dogs and women need a leader
A leader is someone else's superior. I would not enjoy being in a relationship where I perceive myself to be leading someone else. It is a different dynamic than what I need. I would never truly be able to express myself freely.

>All of the cultural incentives are on marriage to fail, nowadays
How so?

>As if two virgins getting married is more than a fractional percent anyways
I misunderstood what you said then. I thought you meant that if they didn't cheat on each other, or didn't have the possibility to cheat, they would be loyal. I didn't think you meant being virgins.
In that case, it is possible that, without any sense of compatibility, they will accommodate to each other, in the conditions you mention. However, this is not a desirable result. If you had only ever experienced sleeping on a rocky floor, you may come to accommodate yourself to it, because you had never experienced sleeping on a good bed. Despite this, sleeping in a bed is the more desirable case.

>Of course it works both ways
Then why did you mention it as a woman thing?

>women desiring a high status mate
In what sense?

>Give an example, let's see how mainstream it is
Half of every country votes for conservative parties, dude.

>Beta providers are the bedrock of civilization
Work and technology are the bedrock of civilization. Everything else is derived from them, even the nuclear family.

>degeneracy
A meme word. It means literally "things I don't like".

>dysgenic behavior
In societies where arranged marriage is more common, like the arab world, incest is also more common.

>Perverts in dresses fondling children should be jailed if not lynched, not celebrated and promoted
The average person does not celebrate and promote this.

>. I would not enjoy being in a relationship where I perceive myself to be leading someone else
Good luck finding that, brother.

>How so?
Divorce has been normalized to the point that it's no longer a penalty. The lesser earning party - almost always the woman of course - can split at the expense of the other when they please and get paid for it.

>However, this is not a desirable result.
You're so caught up in hedonism you compare the formation of a stable marriage to sleeping on a rocky floor.

>In what sense?
Women are attracted to looks, money, status, and game.

>Half of every country votes for conservative parties, dude.
In America the "conservatives" are simply conserving things like faggot marriage that they denounced 10 years before. There are no brakes on this train if status quo ante one decade is the best example you have.

>It means literally "things I don't like".
I don't like it, true.

>In societies where arranged marriage is more common, like the arab world, incest is also more common.
Now you just have to show that incest necessarily follows from whatever you think I'm arguing for, which isn't even arranged marriages. You aren't doing so well here.

>The average person does not celebrate and promote this.
Yet. Which is why it's being spilled so hard in the media. 20 years ago, faggot marriage wasn't popular either, and look where we are now. No brakes on this train.

i'm not the guy you're talking to but you expecting women to be equal is a fantasy. they're hypergamous manipulative children. you play that game if you want pussy or keep getting disappointed and possibly cucked.

>Good luck finding that, brother
Hey, man, I don't really mind it either way. If I cannot get what I want out of a relationship, why would I seek a relationship? Might as well just seek promiscuous sex and get the emotional connection with my friends.

>Divorce has been normalized to the point that it's no longer a penalty
This is a good thing. A person should not be forced to be with someone they do not love.

>The lesser earning party - almost always the woman of course - can split at the expense of the other when they please and get paid for it.
This is why I am strongly against marriage. Why would you voluntarily enter into a contract where the other person can screw you over like that?

>you compare the formation of a stable marriage to sleeping on a rocky floor
You are fetichising marriage and not seeing it as it really is. You are engaging in cope.

>Women are attracted to looks, money, status, and game
I see many cases of relationships which contradict this. In fact, they are the majority. Your statement could only be true if looks are subjective, and the rest isn't necessary for a relationship to be formed.

>In America the "conservatives" are simply conserving things like faggot marriage that they denounced 10 years before
And yet there are still large sections of the population which oppose it.

>Now you just have to show that incest necessarily follows from whatever you think I'm arguing for
Well argued. I was wondering if you would notice the fallacy.

>Yet
Your initial argument was not that people would come to accept those things. It was that people already did accept them. It is demonstrably false. However, it is possible that the trend will continue to be one of acceptance and social progress.
I consider this to be a good thing, since the arguments against it are based on emotion rather than evidence or reason.

>This is a good thing.
No, it's not. The good of society is more important than love.

>This is why I am strongly against marriage.
The answer to this isn't to abandon marriage but rather remove the perverse incentives.

>You are fetichising marriage and not seeing it as it really is.
Proofs are lacking.

>I see many cases of relationships which contradict this. In fact, they are the majority
OK, now I know you're bullshitting me.

>And yet there are still large sections of the population which oppose it.
For all the good it does them against it's legal status. In 10 years when homosexuality is enforced in schools by law, many people will be against it, for all the good it will do.

>. I was wondering if you would notice the fallacy.
As I said, you're simply a bullshit artist.

>trend will continue to be one of acceptance and social progress.
I consider this to be a good thing
Let me guess, you're Jewish, aren't you.

>The good of society is more important than love.
Yes, but what you consider "the good of society" is whether it conforms to your arbitrary standards or not. A society of individual freedom where each individual is respected and freed from exploitation is the ideal arrangement.

>The answer to this isn't to abandon marriage
You may choose to enter into a forced contract, maintained by ideology, repression, and ignorance, where you will be expected to be exploited by your wife, but that's your problem. I prefer to be a MGTOW if I never find a woman I love, so I am in opposition to your ideology.

>Proofs are lacking
The only evidence I could present is stuff you would claim to be invalid. I could bring you statistics about divorce and unhappiness with marriage, but you would always find a way to wave them away with "ah, but this is only because of X".

>OK, now I know you're bullshitting me
See for yourself. Systematically take account of all the relationships you find around you, and you will see that not even the majority is as you say. I did it.

> In 10 years when homosexuality is enforced in schools by law
Yeah, you're fucking deranged, my dude. Literally nobody wants this. Not even gays themselves.

>Let me guess, you're Jewish, aren't you.
The intersection between silly reactionary politics and anti-semitism is always funny to see, but I am not. You should stop paying attention to conspiracy theories and see the world as it is.

>arbitrary standards
Dysgenic versus eugenic isn't arbitrary.

>but I am not.
It argues like a duck, it has morals like a duck, it's probably a duck. Especially when ducks go out of their way to not be "found out".

>Dysgenic versus eugenic isn't arbitrary
There is literally more evidence to say your system produces more dysgenic results than a promiscuous one. Besides, most of what you want is not based on avoiding those results. It's based on "I don't like the gays. They look weird.".

>It argues like a duck
Man, if you want to be delusional, that's your problem. I've already told you that you will try to rationalise away anything I say which contradicts your point of view. The fact that you still call me jewish, despite lack of any evidence, and the fact that I literally am not, simply serves as confirmation.

>literally more evidence to say your system produces more dysgenic results than a promiscuous one.
What sort of person lies, gets caught, admits it, then tells the same lie again? There's a word for that, "chutzpah", I believe.

>if you want to be delusional,
Pretty odd coincidence how different people in different circumstances in different place in different times all came to the same basic conclusion about them, isn't it? Pretty coincidental.

>What sort of person lies, gets caught, admits it, then tells the same lie again
You don't understand what a fallacy is. The fact that there hasn't been established a causal link between incest and arranged marriages does not necessarily imply that there isn't one. Besides, a society which would eventually have to resort to arranged marriage, and in which the pressure to marry young would be verified, would be more likely to seek to arrange incestuous marriages for the sake of convenience. You could prevent this with laws, sure, but there is still no way in which this could be superior to promiscuity in this regard.
Besides, you have still made no valid arguments to support your claim that promiscuity leads to the results you claim it does.

>Pretty odd coincidence
ironically, you are using the same fallacy I used before.

>You don't understand what a fallacy
"Intentionally making fallacious arguments isn't technically a lie, goy"

>ironically, you are using the same fallacy I used before
I said it's a coincidence. I mean, it's happened hundreds of times, but it has to be a coincidence, right?

Everybody's life is it's own tragedy.
The difference between ROBOTs and Normies is that ROBOTs have been rejected by the larger society throughout their entire lives.

>I pass for a normie. I have a gf, a house, a job, and I'm terribly alone. Always have been, always will be. I have pets because they keep me from kms.
>I strongly suspect that if you gave the average normie 3 drinks and sat them down at r9k and told them to write about their life, you'd see nightmare fuel.
>>>and I'm terribly alone
>>>>I have a gf, a house, a job,
>>>> I'm terribly alone

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Here's the thing though
Like you normies, we have our own tragedies
But we have been rejected from society our whole lives
Whether due to mental illness or physical ailment, we have been the rejects
You have people to turn to
We have anonymous online friends

>You have people to turn to
That's why I'm on an Inuit cactus growing forum

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