Why do robots hate whores ?

Prostitution consist in giving your body to anyone, in exchange for money. Which is basically what normal women do anyway, you have sex after paying them nice lunches, gifts, whatever. A whore is the incarnation of honesty and generosity. There is no bullshit, she tell you her price, and you buy it. A whore doesn't discriminate, she open her legs to anyone who can pay. Moreover, it's common knoweldge for anyone who knows them, that they often give reductions to their poor clients. It's not a surprise that many catholic writers saw in the figure of the prostitute something mystical, a perversion of the figure of the Saint, neithertheless marked by charity. A saint give her soul, a whore give her body. But they are both defined by the offering of themselves, and the whore is closer to the saint that the "honest married bourgeois women", who is defined by her hypocrisy, because she doesn't admit to sell herself. Only dumb puritans don't understand this, because puritanism is the hate of visible dirt, which allows real evil to prosper. But the world is full of dirt and when you don't want to see it, you become even dirtier. A whore take the dirt on herself, and in that way she's more beautiful and heroic than a women who pretend to be respectable when in reality she also sell herself for money, only with high criters of selection.

Let me try to clarify, of course a prostitute doesn't go in the business with an ideal of sanctity or morality. She goes there because she wants money, and money is what give you security, the possibility of having various hobbies and pleasures. In the same way the honnest women marry someone because his situation allow her to have a certain economic condition that will allow her to live like she wants, a whore sell her body to acquire that situation. At that point, no difference, except that the whore give herself to anyone.

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However, the activity of prostitution, even if, in the beggining motivated by greed, have a mystical, and have a sacrificial role too. Because as I said, a whore, in exchange for some moneys, give herself to anyone. To people who are rejected by other womens, to man who are devastated in their life, who need femine presence and can't have it. They are always alvailable for those men. The act of prostituion in itself is marked by the offering.

Hating the whore because her sin is more visible is typically semitic and puritan. The thorah is laws, laws, laws. The hebrews codify everything, punish everything, don't want to see any dirt in the community. Just remember the act of the adulterous women and the answer of Christ " If any of you have never sinned, then go ahead and throw the first stone at her!" .
Semitic religions (Judaism and Islam) are obsessed by eliminating visible dirt, while allowing invisible dirt to exist. " Sure you can have as many sex-slaves as long as no one see them in public, but women shouldn't wear indecent clothes, it's bad ".

But Christianism and ancient european paganisms, and it's in that way that there is a link between the too, want to supress the real dirt, the dirt of the soul. A whore may be a sinner, but she doesn't hide that she is one, and in her sin there is some beauty, because she actually give herself to people who can't have access to other womens, while some maried women do the same sin by selling themselves only for money (and divorcing when the money isn't good enough), while not assuming it.

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Now, I have to be honnest with you, I'm not neutral on the question. I was a homeless for one year, and during that period of time, while respectable people shitted on me and looked at me with disdain, I managed to survive only because of the prostitutes who worked on the street next to me. I was nineteen at the time and after a dumb teenage revolt against my family, I cutted all ties with them and moved to Paris (I'm from a nothern france village) alone and with no money, hoping to live a great life. Turns out, this life wasn't as I expected and I ended up on the streets. It was january and it was fucking freezing, cold everywhere. I had a particular shitty day, no one gave me anything, I didn't want to sleep outside in the cold again. It was too much for me and I ended up crying like a little bitch in the street. Turns out a prostitute from the other street saw me and came to comfort me. She was older than me, 28yo, and eventually she say it. " You know, I don't have clients this night if you want you can came sleep at my home ". It was unreal, I ended up bursting of joy. I taked a hot water at her home, she made me a good meal, she comforted me and hugged me all the night. I wasn't only homeless and poor but tottaly inexperienced with womens at that time, this was actually the first time I spent a time with a women. It was the most beautiful night of my life. Turns out in the morning, after a night of hugs, she gave me 50euros, and told me to take care. And it was not the only time, she, and other prostitues, had helped me by giving me food, money or a place to sleep numerous times after that.

Now, thankfully those times are behind me, but I will always remenber that generosity. I know that my case can't be generalized, but still, when I was at the worse moment of my life, not only a virgin but also homeless, it wasn't respectable womens, but whores that took care of me and helped me get better. The question is : who are the real whores ?

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Enjoyed the read OP. Although I don't have any answers to your questions, I can give a (you)

I don't think robots hate whores (prostitutes.)

They hate that all modern women are whores (have numerous sexual partners) because of its negative effects on society, particularly in ways that hurt men at the expense of women.

Any woman that has sex outside of a committed relationship such as marriage is a whore.

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>Moreover, it's common knoweldge for anyone who knows them, that they often give reductions to their poor clients.

I've never heard of this. Street walkers maybe but even they gotta pay their Tyrone too.

Thanks user !

This was they tell me at least, and maybe the situation isn't the same depending in countries. Of course, not at the first time, but with regular clients they often adapt the prices to the situation of the clients.

I love whores. I'd be a lonely virgin without them. Now I'm just lonely.

I think the actual problem is that women have become "whores with standards" somehow, thus eliminating any possible positive qualities on them, as now they are the worst of both worlds: not only do they sleep around and lose reputation, but they do that only with a select few, which takes away the selflessness and any kind of purity they could have. Plus, they are very rude and selfish most of the time, further moving away from any semblance of saint-like qualities.

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>because of its negative effects on society
Don't be a hypocrite. Have the nerve to admit the unfavorable truth.
They hate women because they can't get them. I'm not even going to debate your stupid claim, it's simply unnecessary because the underlying truth of robot's misogyny is completely unrelated to any cheap argument that you spurt in a desperate attempt (read mental gymnastics) to justify your feelings like they were benign, objectively derived from facts.
The fact is much, much simpler. It's Occam's razor yet again.
The fox and the sour grapes. That is all I need to say.

I'm married. Is my hatred of whores so easily explained by your non-argument?

I think you sumed-up perfectly.
The modern women is a selective whore without generosity.

So, there are several problems here. I am going to address them and assist in this philosophical endeavor.

Firstly, while in antiquity a whore and prostitute are the same thing, they mean something different now. A whore is simply a girl that has a lot of different men, regardless of other factors. Pay can be a thing or not a thing, and it comes down to whatever she's feeling with a man. A prostitute is just a woman that you know you can pay to fuck, and you know she does it commonly. Of course, you -also- noticed a similarity between a regular gf and a whore with the payment system, and that's where things get a complex. This complexity that I'm about to describe though is not something most people have figured out, so bear with me here.

To answer the question, robots don't actually hate whores (and again, I mean my definition of whore above, which is basically a Stacy, not a prostitute). Rather, they just really, REALLY want a woman to call their own, and hate/feel neutral about everything that even slightly resembles something that could make it harder or not help them get said woman. This ranges to everything from prostitutes to even a pure woman who is happy with Chad, as of course no one is immune to jealousy. But there's of course even more complex action at work here that most people aren't realizing either, which is my next subject that should wrap everything up.

Essentially, everyone has been brainwashed by the left (which is basically just females) away from a more traditional family system (which is more ideal in the male mindset) to what females prefer, which is basically what is being screamed by feminism constantly, and something females prefer. This obviously happened recently in the west because the west also just recently allowed women's opinions to matter, via suffrage etc. If you think about it simply, what really is the difference between being broken up with, and a girl being a general whore? Only that she told you first, but no one sees it.

Why does having sex have a negative effect on society? Do you have some solid science to back this up?

Women choosing to be whores damages the ability of robot to find a gf because there are less virtuous women.

I don't know if they can be considered whores, but I've been to two massage parlors that have happy endings and all the girls seemed pretty normal as in not broken

I treated them with respect and they reciprocated. I found it extremely easy to talk to them too - much easier than to non-prostitutes. It was a very positive experience to find out that someone doing this sort of activity is just as human as the people who criticize them for it.

Whenever I go to one of those places the psychological effect is just thirty times bigger than the physical. I went to one yesterday and boy, I was a pile of nerves. Before the nuru massage started the masseuse did a breathing exercise with me to calm me down then proceeded to do her job, I found it very considerate of her.

I really don't haven enough space to type everything I want, yes, and that was a full 2000 char limit post.

To summarize the reality of things, basically, the culture of the West is a war between males and females. It's hard to see unless you really think everything through, but men by genetics basically want what Christianity would bring a man (honesty, one life long partner, children, a house, family life, etc), and women by genetics want essentially what you see today. Obviously men aren't going to be happy. It's really this simple.

>the culture of the West is a war between males and females
This is the most retarded thing I have ever read.

I don't really hate anyone. But, I do dislike the modern sexual ethic that encourages rampant casual sex. Actual prostitutes are at the bottom of the list of who I personally dislike for their sexual choices, not the top. I actually have an acquaintance who is a prostitute and her story breaks my heart and I know very many prostitutes don't freely choose to enter their profession but are more or less forced into it.

Fucking wholesome.

I don't really remember the story but your post made me think of Hermann Hesse's Siddhartha.

Do you live in Pajeetland or what third world shithole?

Why? Maybe you are misunderstanding. I do not mean that they are stabbing each other with pitch forks, I just mean that in a world with true freedom for every person, and when the main defining difference for each person is sex, and that the genetics of these sexes are very different, it's kind of obvious how it's going to turn out. Both of the sexes are trying to mold the world (and always have been, with males predominantly winning for almost all of human history) in to what they would see as the ideal sexual environment for them. This is why men are so depressed.

Of course, women are depressed too, but the reasoning for that is even MORE complicated.

Why would they be unable to get them?
There are plenty of women out there that are desperately looking for a partner.

Why do basement-dwelling incels who have not spoken to another human being for years always think they are experts on the world outside their lair?

I've had 3 girlfriends in the last 4 months, and I have a a girl interested in me as we speak.

Regardless of whether that's even true or not, why don't you try actually arguing my points?

Whores are more loyal than most women.
Sure they fuck dozens of guys a day, but at least they only see them one at a time.
She's yours for however long you to pay to keep her.

I'm Canadian, white and I've lived here all my life. The acquaintance is an internet friend, not a girl I know irl.

Only a basement-dwelling incel would be so retarded as to say that the main defining trait of someone is his/her sex. You literally put pussy on a pedestal and see everything about men vs women because you've never got any. Everyone else, the well-adjusted people, don't think like this because they're not mentally children like incels are.

And how was she "forced into prostitution"? Call the police if she is being forced into it against her will.

It's true that I should have called the thread " Why do robots hate prostitutes " in order to be more clear. In french although the word " whore"="pute" can be used to define a girl who have sex with a lot of persons, it's mostly used to talk about prostitutes. While the word "salope" will be more adapted to talk about women who have sex with a lot of man, without the transaction part. Hence, the confusion.

Other than that, you're making valid points.

Thanks user, I don't know that book, will read it.

You're still not really giving any points or counter points but a bunch of ad-hom, but you couldn't be more wrong. I'm not even a robot, nor do I have myself in mind for these things. I see both sexes, what they're doing, look at statistics, and then think about it all, like a philosopher would.

I see both men and women high on benzos all day, but with women DOUBLE the prescription rate of men. Not depressed? My foot. Surely there's something wrong.

I see females initiating divorce rate at 65-75%. Coincidence? My foot, they're simply unsure of what they want. And at the same time, 70% of males between 22 and 34 are unmarried in the United States. Are you going to tell me they're all incels, or perhaps it is more likely that females are hypergamous, depressed, unsure, etc? Come on, try a little. I'm not even mad, you're just sitting here with your ad-hom.

I wonder if I would even see a prostitute if it were legal here. I'm terribly afraid of getting an STD.

Its her story not mine so I don't want to share all the details. She didn't really want me talking about it desu. She lives in a third world country where you can't trust the police very much. She 'chose' to enter prostitution but, she was a drug addict at the time and it isn't something some people would be too happy to let her leave.

>It's true that I should have called the thread...
Oh yeah, I'm not saying you're dumb or anything. That entire post is trying to help people understand the mindset of, what I believe to be not just robots, but a lot of the West currently, and talk about what ails it. I believe it's one of the most pressing issues arising currently, aside from maybe the fact that the Federal Reserve is literally a scam under our noses, but hey, the world is fucked up and you gotta start somewhere.

Like with bicycles, when it comes to prostitutes you get what you pay for most of the time.

I'm increasingly seeing women afraid of commitment. I know a couple that have been living together for 7 years and although they seem very deeply into each other over all these years, the woman refuses to marry or wear wedding rings (she doesn't allow the guy to wear them either).

Another girl from work has been with this guy for over a decade and refuse to live together, marry or anything. Last month a woman friend we have in common told him to man up and try to make her take things seriously or move on with his life.

>Why do robots hate whores ?
Because they're a defilement of feminine purity and insidious peddlers of degeneracy.

>Prostitution consist in giving your body to anyone, in exchange for money. Which is basically what normal women do anyway, you have sex after paying them nice lunches, gifts, whatever.
The problem is that they do NEARLY EVERYTHING to ANYONE, or to be more accurate, a large amount of people, and they do so in lieu of any actual intimacy or loyalty. Promiscuity damages minds of both genders, females especially. Is this a problem unique to literal prostitutes? No, but prostitutes are far more obvious and do this more often, and you're asking me why robots hate prostitutes specifically. I'm fine with taking a woman in and paying for her if she's only doing that with me, she's not a degenerate, and we have an actual relationship.
And for every woman that chooses to be a prostitute, or a non prostitute that behaves in a whoreish fashion, that's one less pure woman for a man.

>A whore is the incarnation of honesty and generosity.
If she's generous, she'd give herself for free.

>There is no bullshit, she tell you her price, and you buy it.
Courting isn't bullshit. It's a genuine display on both sides to form a bond that should last a lifetime.
Perhaps you've simply never experienced what courting is like.

>A whore doesn't discriminate, she open her legs to anyone who can pay.
#notall. Plenty of whores racially discriminate.
The problem remains either way that they don't discriminate enough, and they don't discriminate properly. Women go for numerous chads, despite these chads not being the ideal mate for them. The fact that they're fucking so many Chads lends credence to this.
Chad wants an 11/10 stacy, not an average woman. Average women don't seem to get that, and right now our society doesn't have anything in place to prevent them from making those bad decisions.

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>But they are both defined by the offering of themselves, and the whore is closer to the saint that the "honest married bourgeois women", who is defined by her hypocrisy, because she doesn't admit to sell herself.
Are you buying a friend when you pay for lunch? Are you sold to your parents when they buy you toys? I agree with your assessment that a lot of non prostitutes are literally selling their bodies for perks and trinkets, but a good, traditional married housewife is not doing that. You offer physical things to eachother in addition to having a loving relationship.

>Only dumb puritans don't understand this, because puritanism is the hate of visible dirt, which allows real evil to prosper.
The "real evil" you're referring to isn't as evil as you think it is, and you're reducing moral and societal decay to harmless dirt.
Not a good move.

>At that point, no difference, except that the whore give herself to anyone.
That alone is an incredibly important distinction.

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>However, the activity of prostitution, even if, in the beggining motivated by greed, have a mystical, and have a sacrificial role too. Because as I said, a whore, in exchange for some moneys, give herself to anyone. To people who are rejected by other womens, to man who are devastated in their life, who need femine presence and can't have it. They are always alvailable for those men. The act of prostituion in itself is marked by the offering.
You're missing the point where that becomes sacrifice and not greed. What they're doing is not selfless. They wouldn't give themselves to you without money. Every job involves people doing things they ordinarily wouldn't want to do. The world's oldest profession is no exception.

>Hating the whore because her sin is more visible is typically semitic and puritan. The thorah is laws, laws, laws. The hebrews codify everything, punish everything, don't want to see any dirt in the community.
And they're right in doing so.

>Just remember the act of the adulterous women and the answer of Christ " If any of you have never sinned, then go ahead and throw the first stone at her!" .
Jesus was a fucking idiot. By his logic no one could punish anyone ever because at some point, they sinned as well.

>Semitic religions (Judaism and Islam) are obsessed by eliminating visible dirt, while allowing invisible dirt to exist.
So they should bust out the shamwow and get rid of all of the dirt in its entirety.

>A whore may be a sinner, but she doesn't hide that she is one, and in her sin there is some beauty, because she actually give herself to people who can't have access to other womens,
There is beauty in all sins. That's why they're tempting.
Murdering a rich man so that poor men can have access to his wealth is one example.

>while some maried women do the same sin by selling themselves only for money (and divorcing when the money isn't good enough), while not assuming it.
Some.

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>Turns out a prostitute from the other street saw me and came to comfort me. She was older than me, 28yo, and eventually she say it. " You know, I don't have clients this night if you want you can came sleep at my home ". It was unreal, I ended up bursting of joy.
Even degenerates aren't incapable of kindness, but my hatred for degenerates remains functionally indiscriminate, since acting on those exceptions would be ineffective.

>The question is : who are the real whores ?
Literal whores.

>They hate women because they can't get them.
I hate most women and I haven't been single for more than two weeks since I was 19. I'm 24 now.
People hate women because they use their newfound power irresponsibly.

>I'm not even going to debate your stupid claim, it's simply unnecessary because the underlying truth of robot's misogyny is completely unrelated to any cheap argument that you spurt in a desperate attempt (read mental gymnastics) to justify your feelings like they were benign, objectively derived from facts.
There are various other reasons that people have stated here. It's on you if you choose to not acknowledge them.

Having sex alone doesn't have a negative effect on society, but hypergamy and overstimulation results in desensitization to feelings such as love. People become exponentially less satisfied, and focus on ever more degenerate acts to get their dopamine rush.

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How could men or women do otherwise in a narcissistic culture that's so focused on youth? Youth is defined by freedom and possibility, while old age is defined by responsibility and obligations. Inevitably as you grow older, possibilities close down as you make choices; the balance between what you could yet be and what you turned out to be tips more towards the choices that have been made rather than the choices yet to make. Every life ends when there is no choice left but death.

In a culture where expectations are few and duty is a word seen or mentioned infrequently, though, everyone fights to keep their possibilities open for as long as possible by procrastinating on their commitments. How can anyone commit when the benefits seem so few and the risks are astronomical? So like Narcissus, we stay by the pool, looking down at our reflections, imagining what we could be instead of going out to discover who we are, until the reflection starts to look too much like an old loser for the fantasies to prosper.

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I call it disney-land syndrome, though I'm sure it's not an original thought. They're waiting for prince charming.

>How could men or women do otherwise in a narcissistic culture that's so focused on youth?
How do I, and countless others do it? We disregard that narcissistic culture and either look to past cultures for inspiration or forge our own path. Obviously it's more difficult now, but it's not impossible.

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I will answer at your claims globally either than going to answer to each point. I think you defend two main ideas.

The first is that prostitutes are a force of degeneration, of modernity and of the modern promiscuity.

If by degeneracy you mean the slow deconstruction of morals and ethics in the western world, I don't see how prostitutes have any role in it. First, because, as you said it, it's the oldest job in the world. Prostitutes have existed in any society, from ancient greece where they had a religious role to the middle-ages. Brothel existed in the middle-ages, and were even sometimes managed by the church.

Why ? St. Thomas Aquinas actually defended them as a necessary evil, not that prostitution is good per se, but that interdiction will bring more evil. See, while I agree that modern promiscuity and polygamy accelerate social isolation and create young men without wives, sexual solitude isn't new. There always existed, a category of man, who didn't manage to have access to women, or were unhappy in their mariage, it's not an invention of modernity. Modernity just exagerate those phenomenons. Hence the necessecity of the brothels, as a way of allowing those persons to have access to sexuality, and, to have some proximity with womens. Brothels stopped society to explode by canalyzing sexual solitude, through history.

The main problem is that you seem to have a very fanatical view of purity. You don't like to see the dirt, and prostitutes are the better proof of the existence of dirt on earth. The dirt in question is simply the inequality in regards to sexuality. Some mens can't have womens. Some mens are blocked in disastrous mariages, that make them unhappy and full of resentment. This is a human reality, and this human reality will exist even in your traditional perfect world. Prostitutes help to contain this discontent and allow the city to exist peacefully. Without that, the discontent and resentment will turn in cruelty.

It's not a surpise that societies that are, on sexual matters, hysterical and puritan often produce more evil in other domains. Just look at the difference between catholic and protestant europe. What you defend isn't a traditional view of the world, it's a modern puritan and calvinist hygienist view, that want everything to be clean. What they don't understand is that, in order for the world to be clean, you will have to exterminate mankind, because the simple existence of inequalites by nature will bring evil. Either you want to manage it, control it, in order for it to be less disastrous, either you deny its existence and you go for unrealistic propositions. In the same way commies thought they could ban private property to make the world better.

Which brings us to the point two, prostitutes aren't really generous, they do it for the money.

Of course, they do it for money. I don't pretend that they do it out of pure generosity. I say that in the act by which you sell yourself to a random stranger, you signify to that stranger " I accept to give you my intimity, I accept to give you my nudity ". And the men who are used to reject and can't access feminity in any way during their lives, are rehumanize by this accord. You know, in my homeless days, I talked a lot with prostitutes, their clients, their relationships with their clients. Turns out most go there not out of sexual frustration but mostly out of emotional dispair. They want to be huged, they want to feel a women close to them, but they aren't in a situation that allows them to flirt in any way, to engage in courting. They are either emotionaly devastated, or too weak at the time to act like a man should act in order to seduce women. Well, prostitutes help them in the way that their giving them their feminity, more than their body, which allow them to not explode out of despair. This allows them to feel loved, and often to restart their sentimental lives later, when they feel better.

It's in that way that there is sacrifical element in the role of prostitutes, they give themselves for more money. Yes they are paid, but most womens will not accept to give their body to anyone who pay them. I will give you an anecdote to make you understand, one of the whore in the street next to me, always had a client who was severly deformed, and mentally challenged. Let's be honnest, this guy have no chance of forming anything serious with a women, in his life, he is, by his physical appearance, doomed to solitude. Well, at least, he can sometimes have sexual and emotional moments with a pretty girl, for some money. The prostitute in question talked to me about him in cute terms actually, talking about how happy he is every time he see her. Yes, she is pay for doing that. But she actually accept to see that deformed guy, which no other women will, and allow that guy to have a more or less life, without being eated by sexual resentment.

Sorry for shit english/poor grammar, it's difficult to express your thoughts in a foreign language.

I will just add a last point, that you bring.
>Even degenerates aren't incapable of kindness, but my hatred for degenerates remains functionally indiscriminate, since acting on those exceptions would be ineffective.

I think that you miss my point, and it's important in order to understand the Saint/Whore proximity that I bring. What you said is that, whores, even if degenerates, can still have kindness like respectable persons sometimes, which don't make them respectable.

My point was stronger than that. It's not that whores, during my homeless days, were kind to me like other people were. It's that they were the only one kind to me, like normal, respectable people treated me like shit, like a waste of time and of place. Why is that ?

My point, but it's more of a suggestion than an affirmation, is that, maybe prostitutes, because in their jobs, are used to give themselves to anyone who can pay them, are more prone to charity than normal people. Because they have to frequent, to give themsleves to what people consider like " low-lives", "wastes", "losers". Because they talk to these people all day. Because they understand their problems, and are sensibilized to those problems more than respectable person. Hence, they tend to not act with contempt towards them.

Pretty goood read, thanks

>i'm married so sour grapes doesn't apply to me
nothing about being married even remotely prevents you from having sour grapes.

>If by degeneracy you mean the slow deconstruction of morals and ethics in the western world, I don't see how prostitutes have any role in it.
>First, because, as you said it, it's the oldest job in the world. Prostitutes have existed in any society, from ancient greece where they had a religious role to the middle-ages. Brothel existed in the middle-ages, and were even sometimes managed by the church.
You've done a great disservice to yourself if you believe I'm appealing to tradition. Yes, in the past, lots of people, including those in the church, did bad things. Degeneracy is practiced on a much greater, arguably industrial scale these days.

>Why ? St. Thomas Aquinas actually defended them as a necessary evil, not that prostitution is good per se, but that interdiction will bring more evil.
I'm an Atheist. I have very little regard for any of the works of Thomas Aquinas. Why, in a society where women are actually encouraged to be monogamous and virtuous, would prostitution be a necessary evil?

>See, while I agree that modern promiscuity and polygamy
Hypergamy.

>accelerate social isolation and create young men without wives, sexual solitude isn't new. There always existed, a category of man, who didn't manage to have access to women, or were unhappy in their mariage, it's not an invention of modernity.
>This is a human reality, and this human reality will exist even in your traditional perfect world.
I agree, and there will always be incels. Prostitution contributes to the lack of virtuous females for marriage, increasing females.
You seem to be advocating a treatment for the plight of incels. While my solution doesn't eliminate it entirely, it is by and large a cure.

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>Brothels stopped society to explode by canalyzing sexual solitude, through history.
>The dirt in question is simply the inequality in regards to sexuality.
Perhaps the re ordering of society can only be achieved by such and explosion, spearheaded by lonely men with little to lose. Sexual solitude can be used to motivate those who are impacted most by societal degradation. Prostitution, or its far more common cousin, porn, has the opposite effect. It satisfies men with nothing, and ultimately fails to address their loneliness.
Prostitution doesn't address that problem. It only masks it, while slowly contributing to it's metastasis.

>The main problem is that you seem to have a very fanatical view of purity. You don't like to see the dirt, and prostitutes are the better proof of the existence of dirt on earth.
As I said, you're reducing moral and societal decay to harmless dirt. I am not.

>What you defend isn't a traditional view of the world, it's a modern puritan and calvinist hygienist view, that want everything to be clean.
It's as traditional as it comes, and it's practiced nearly worldwide, and for the majority of human civilization. The cases you mentioned were outliers, not the norm.

>What they don't understand is that, in order for the world to be clean, you will have to exterminate mankind, because the simple existence of inequalites by nature will bring evil.
I don't know what group you're criticizing here but you're definitely not criticizing Calvanists.
If you're attributing this belief to me, I'm not intending to cleanse humanity of all degeneracy. I'm looking to reduce it.

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>I don't pretend that they do it out of pure generosity. I say that in the act by which you sell yourself to a random stranger, you signify to that stranger " I accept to give you my intimity, I accept to give you my nudity ".
>Yes, she is pay for doing that. But she actually accept to see that deformed guy, which no other women will, and allow that guy to have a more or less life, without being eated by sexual resentment.
Where's the generosity? Let's say I work as a doctor (not doctor's without borders). Am I generous for helping people who are sick, or am I doing my job?

>They want to be huged, they want to feel a women close to them, but they aren't in a situation that allows them to flirt in any way, to engage in courting. They are either emotionaly devastated, or too weak at the time to act like a man should act in order to seduce women.
Then they need to sort themselves out so that they can do those things. There are many support structures that exist in the 21st century dedicated to giving us comfort, most of which don't involve being a degenerate our getting pills thrown at you.

>My point, but it's more of a suggestion than an affirmation, is that, maybe prostitutes, because in their jobs, are used to give themselves to anyone who can pay them, are more prone to charity than normal people.
Your suggestion is not stronger than my definitive claim that any such charity is not as important as the wide reaching societal impact that prostitution has.
In addition, I question the objectivity of your anecdote. Maybe it was different in Paris 20 years ago, but where I'm from in 2019 there are many organizations, some of which people I'm close to are involved in, that would give shelter, food and support to people in your scenario.

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>You've done a great disservice to yourself if you believe I'm appealing to tradition. [...]

The use of certain of your terms seems to indicate it. For instance the term degenerate, the apology of virtue, of loyalty. To be a degenerate can't be a biological norm, because in that sense, if we take it from a purely biological sense, monogamy isn't an evidence. You have to believe in a set of values to declare something degenerate. For instance, declaring monogamy as the norm, you declare that everything that is outside that norm is degenerate. You follow a traditional/anti-traditional dichotomy. Which is fine, I do to, and I'm in favour of monogamy, I just think that prostitution have its right in the life of the city and that it allow to contain evil. Which is why the church never or rarely prohibited it.

>I'm an Atheist. I have very little regard for any of the works of Thomas Aquinas. Why, in a society where women are actually encouraged to be monogamous and virtuous, would prostitution be a necessary evil?

You're wrong on Aquinas, wether you're a believer or not, he's basically the father of our law system (continental like anglo-saxon), and one of the most influential thinker to our ethics. To caricature, our civilization is based on Aristotle and Jesus, on Greece and Israel. Thomas Aquinas is the one who tried and partly succeed to synthetize the two. But that's not the subject, why prostitution be a necessary evil ? Because you would always have situations that are full of suffering and solitude, even in a monogamous and virtuous society. Not only incels, but failed and unhappy mariages, tragedies of the individual and of the collective that create isolated men that need to have a feminine presence but can't have it in the moment. In the past, in mongamous and virtuous societies of the past, this need existed. It exist, even more today, because of modernity. In your ideal future society, this need will exist.

>Prostitution contributes to the lack of virtuous females for marriage, increasing females.

Now this argument doesn't make sense. The lack of the virtuous females for mariage is due to the global modification of the relationship between men and women, not to the small portion of the population that engage in real prostitution. They will be even, in an strongly monogamous society, women that will not feel the need to engage in monogamous mariage. They existed in the middle-ages while everyone believed that engaging in this kind of act may lead you to hell. You think that in your modern atheist mongamous society those kind of womens will not exist ? If you force them to be spouses they will be bad spouses. They want (assuming we talk about voluntary choice and not forced prostitution, which is an entire other topic) this kind of life, let them exercise it, not only it's their choice, but it allow society as a whole to function well, eliminating sexual frustration.

>Prostitution, or its far more common cousin, porn, has the opposite effect. It satisfies men with nothing, and ultimately fails to address their loneliness.
Prostitution doesn't address that problem. It only masks it, while slowly contributing to it's metastasis.

You seem to confuse a revolutionnary strategy with a project of political foundation. Here, you mix two ideas that you need to separate in order to understand what we're talking about. The first, is what we need to do to make this society explode. The second is, what are the ideals rule of a good society ? If we talk about forbiding prostitution for increasing actual loneliness of man, than yes, I agree baning prostitution and porn could help to increase the sufferings of those people, and thus, accelerate the process of the inevitable social explosion.

Now, we didn't talk about that, but we talked about, is prostitution good for society as such. And then, the idea that baning prostitution will be a good thing in order to create a good, functional society is false. Because as I've said, it allows men who are rejected by women to have a form of proximity with them and hence to not go mad or implode because of solitude. You seem to think that to the contrary, seeing whores doesn't help mens who are in temporary desesperate situation because it doesn't push them to see real girls. That's a really will-to-powerist psychological view of the human brain, that think that when you're a difficult situation, the immediate thing is to struggle to death with it. Truth is, in most cases, when you're depressed, it's better to have good times that allows you to progressively get better than to have a radical confrontation with your problems that could turn your mad. That's what cognitive psychology found. A depressed man will not get better by forcing himself to go to parties, in order to not isolate himself. He will get bored and depressed at those parties and will feel even more isolated than before. To the contrary, having a life based on a routine and some little pleasures can slowly cure a depression. In the same way, it's not because you forbid a client to see whores "for his good", because you think that it will push him to make more efforts to chat with normal womens, that it will work. Chances, are, it will increase his depression and will demoralize him because he is not in the state to flirt, and his fails will demoralize him even more. To the contrary, seeing prostitutes that will, temporarly give them a feel of masculinity by giving them their feminity will increase their ego and their happiness, even if they know that it is a payed relation, and will increase the chances that they will find a real women later.

>As I said, you're reducing moral and societal decay to harmless dirt. I am not.

I don't, because I don't think prostitution, as a whole, is a sign of decay. Global feminism, hypergamy of normal womens, is. But prostitution is a classic of any human society.

>It's as traditional as it comes, and it's practiced nearly worldwide, and for the majority of human civilization. The cases you mentioned were outliers, not the norm.

Of course not. Come on, open a history books or two. I don't want to accuse you of being illiterate, but on that precise point, you clearly didn't study the subject. Prostitution is allowed in most countries and most civilization through the world and through history. Its criminalization is really a recent phenomenon and partly due to the puritanism of calvinist societies, which is heavily influenced by the puritanism of all semitic religions such as Judaism and Islam.

>Where's the generosity? Let's say I work as a doctor (not doctor's without borders). Am I generous for helping people who are sick, or am I doing my job?

The generosity lies not in the intentions but in the nature of the act. You don't give only your time, your hands, or your brain like you will do in most jobs, you give your intimity. You give your right to chose sexual partners. You give yourself, in the most real sense of the world. Yes, it's a job. But there are more or less generous jobs. Some jobs imply engaging in acts that help others. Doctors, are indeed, a good example. But more, than that, let's take the example of a nurse that take care of old people. She is pay for her job, yet, will you say that what she does is not generous ? She clean them, she take care of them, it's often difficult, often disgusting. Yet she does it. And without her those people will be litteraly in their shit. Her job doesn't seem to you profundly more generous than let say, the job of a trader ? Well, my point, is that this kind of generosity also characterize prostitution.

>There are many support structures that exist in the 21st century dedicated to giving us comfort

No structure that exist in the 21st century can remplace feminine presence. Otherwise Jow Forums will not even exist.

>Your suggestion is not stronger than my definitive claim that any such charity is not as important as the wide reaching societal impact that prostitution has.

And my claim is that prostitution doesn't have a big negative impact in a normal, functional society but rather a positive one. And more than that, that charity is the father of all virtues and that without charity, no virtue can exist. But that's another debate.

And to answer your doubts, when I was homeless ( not 20, but 10 years ago), homeless shelters were dirty, dangerous, and filled with heroin drug-addicts and violence. It is more dangerous to sleep outside in the snow than in those places. This is why, even today, we have every year cases of homeless people who die from cold here in France. Yeah I know, while we are taking migrants, what a shithole nation.

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Anyone whos ever been around a whore, literal or otherwise, knows full well how destructive and hurtful their behaviors are to their friends, families, and themself. You can spin a web of eloquent bullshit all you want but there's nothing saintly about it. Sympathetic and tragic figures maybe becouse they're are often very damaged people with horribly low self esteem which drives them into the profession in the first place but it's exactly that capacity for compassion that makes it such a vile and disgusting trade. People who driven like us all in the search for happiness and love pursue material wealth eschewing or actively sabotaging all that which may bring real meaning to one's life in a misguided attempt to fill the void that only other people who are dear to you and respect for yourself can really fill in favor of false financial "success" and temporary physical "love" leaving only trail of destruction and hurt behind them and a sense of unfullfillment. Shaming a whore is the biggest favor you can do them.

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I don't hate prostitutes. I lost my V to one and they're the only people I've ever had sex with.

But pointless sex gets boring after awhile. I want a real relationship and obviously that can't happen with a whore.

Are you the guy I debate with ? We could continue this discussion by mail if you want, I will go to sleep soon I think.

t.OP

I don't hate whores. I just won't date one.

I post here so that I don't have to devote this effort for more than a few hours every now and then. If you want to read, read. Otherwise, maybe someone else will take their time to understand a dissenting voice.

I think it's the fact they can make a life of it or an exit from shit financial moments, opportunities that men will never have same way unless Chad

I want to read. This discussion is actually interesting and I want to continue it. However, I'm not sure I can take time to answer now, it's 5am and I start to be tired, but I want to, so join me your mail with your answer, I will answer you tomorrow !

>You have to believe in a set of values to declare something degenerate.
>For instance, declaring monogamy as the norm, you declare that everything that is outside that norm is degenerate.
Having a set of values isn't appealing to tradition. It's appealing to those values.
Maybe you've confused my use of "appealing to tradition," with the fact that I claim to be a traditionalist. I'm referring to the fallacy argumentum ad antiquitatem or appeal to antiquity, which is the argument that something is correct simply because it was practiced in the past. That is not what I am doing. I'm appealing to my own timeless values that, while practiced worldwide for most of history, are beneficial in their own right.

>why prostitution be a necessary evil ? Because you would always have situations that are full of suffering and solitude, even in a monogamous and virtuous society.
>In the past, in mongamous and virtuous societies of the past, this need existed. It exist, even more today, because of modernity. In your ideal future society, this need will exist.
>They existed in the middle-ages while everyone believed that engaging in this kind of act may lead you to hell.
As I've said before, my solution does not rid the world of those problems entirely, it just diminishes them to the point that they're negligible.

>Not only incels, but failed and unhappy mariages,
If my society were as virtuous and monogamous as it has been for the majority of western civilization, those problems would be a pebble against an avalanche.

>tragedies of the individual and of the collective that create isolated men that need to have a feminine presence but can't have it in the moment.
"In the moment," listen to how weak you sound. We are men. We don't surrender ourselves to destructive carnal decadence for because it's convenient "in the moment." We toil to better ourselves, our friends and our families.

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>I don't think prostitution, as a whole, is a sign of decay. Global feminism, hypergamy of normal womens, is. But prostitution is a classic of any human society.
>The lack of the virtuous females for mariage is due to the global modification of the relationship between men and women, not to the small portion of the population that engage in real prostitution.
Prostitution is one of hypergamy's many ugly heads. It might only diminish the problem by a small percentage, but it is still worthy of being diminished. In your OP you asked me why robots hate prostitutes. That is why. They are a part of the modern plague that even affects chad.
Hypergamy always existed as well, just not in the same proportion that it does today.

>They will be even, in an strongly monogamous society, women that will not feel the need to engage in monogamous mariage.
There will be significantly less women who feel that way if that need is made readily apparent to them.

>You think that in your modern atheist mongamous society those kind of womens will not exist ?
I may be an Atheist, but I'm not foolish enough to believe that most of humanity has the intelligence or willpower to control themselves in a society where God is dead.

If you force them to be spouses they will be bad spouses. They want (assuming we talk about voluntary choice and not forced prostitution, which is an entire other topic) this kind of life, let them exercise it, not only it's their choice,

>but it allow society as a whole to function well, eliminating sexual frustration.
Sexual frustration will never be eliminated. Since we're bringing up aneqdotes, I have a friend from Amsterdam who is one of the loneliest people I've known. "Why doesn't he spend the night with one of the many prositutes there?" you might ask? Because they're cold and impersonal. He's looking for a genuine relationship, the kind of thing he may have found at this age 50 years ago.

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>You seem to confuse a revolutionnary strategy with a project of political foundation.
I don't confuse the two. I just acknowledge that one cannot exist without the other in this present state.

>If we talk about forbiding prostitution for increasing actual loneliness of man, than yes, I agree baning prostitution and porn could help to increase the sufferings of those people, and thus, accelerate the process of the inevitable social explosion.
Banning such distractions motivates people for both revolution and construction. As I said, prostitution and porn satisfy men with nothing, and ultimately fails to address their loneliness. Without that momentary catharsis, there would be less incels. Men are motivated to improve their lives and find mates when they don't have the illusion of a mate already available.

>You seem to think that to the contrary, seeing whores doesn't help mens who are in temporary desesperate situation because it doesn't push them to see real girls. That's a really will-to-powerist psychological view of the human brain, that think that when you're a difficult situation, the immediate thing is to struggle to death with it.
The ideal solution is to recognize chaos before it becomes something you have to struggle with and plan ahead, but in order to recognize the signs of impending disaster, sometimes you have to be neck deep in it a few times. I speak from experience in this regard, and in such a situation I discovered that meeting the problem head on was the only way to solve it. I was depressed and lonely for a number of years. No amount of pills or spontaneous dopamine rushes could get me out of that mire, but through action, through overpowering those emotions and building relationships of my own, I was able to get out. I can honestly say that I haven't been depressed sense, despite the egregious betrayals of those closest to me.

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>In the same way, it's not because you forbid a client to see whores "for his good", because you think that it will push him to make more efforts to chat with normal womens, that it will work. Chances, are, it will increase his depression and will demoralize him because he is not in the state to flirt, and his fails will demoralize him even more.
Recently, I helped another friend of mine find a relationship of his own and even lose his virginity. His descriptions of his neuroticism would be enough to drive even a verbose polyglot like yourself insane, yet here he is, preparing love letters for Valentine's day.
Would he have accomplished anything if he had just gotten a whore? No, and someone like him would have recognized that.

>To the contrary, seeing prostitutes that will, temporarly give them a feel of masculinity by giving them their feminity will increase their ego and their happiness, even if they know that it is a payed relation, and will increase the chances that they will find a real women later.
Where on earth are you getting this information?

>Of course not. Come on, open a history books or two. I don't want to accuse you of being illiterate, but on that precise point, you clearly didn't study the subject. Prostitution is allowed in most countries and most civilization through the world and through history.
You could come up with 100 exceptions to the rule, and I'm sure modern historians would be happy to accommodate you in their perversion, but they would still be exceptions.
Allowing your women to sell themselves is widely recognized as a blight upon societal wellbeing, because the conclusions I am making are common sense. Hypergamy hurts everyone in a nation.

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>The generosity lies not in the intentions but in the nature of the act. You don't give only your time, your hands, or your brain like you will do in most jobs, you give your intimity. You give your right to chose sexual partners. You give yourself, in the most real sense of the world.
So according to you, generosity is defined by the amount someone gives, regardless of what they may receive in return. So a minimum wage store clerk who sells grills 75 hours a week is more generous than a doctor (after he's forced to work 75 hours a week for residency and debt, of course).

>No structure that exist in the 21st century can remplace feminine presence. Otherwise Jow Forums will not even exist.
The structures I alluded to aren't a replacement, but they do make a feminine presence less necessary. If you have a caring family or group of friends, losing a girlfriend is significantly less painful.

>And my claim is that prostitution doesn't have a big negative impact in a normal, functional society but rather a positive one.
That's a separate claim from your earlier "suggestion,".

> And more than that, that charity is the father of all virtues and that without charity, no virtue can exist.
No virtue can exist without prostitution???

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Well, thanks for your answer, you make some valid points, other really more doubtful.

Anyway, I'm really too tired to continue this debate right now. As I said, If you want, give me your mail or a way to contact you, I will send you my answer tomorrow. If not, it was a pleasure discussing with you, have a good night or day !

I post here on Jow Forums for the purpose of not continuing discussions after the threads die, since in order to follow my own advice I needent get involved in such time consuming activities like I did before. Chances are, we'll see eachother again.

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Understable, I don't often go on Jow Forums anymore though, mostly at moment of boredom, so, we will see. Bye skeleton patron-saint bones fetishist user !

Absolutely based and whorepilled user.
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I agree with you OP.

I love prostitutes. Prostitutes have more honor than the so called "respectable women" and way more honor than the roasties. Prostitutes will actually give lonely men a chance, feel sympathy for them, and give them the female touch they so desperately crave.

Prostitutes "standards" are really just that they want a guy to be nice to them and not smell bad. If you can do that, you can see a prostitute.

Roasties are way way more selfish.

Wow, her lifestyle choices are so destructive and hurtful to their friends and family.

Their intolerance is not the prostitutes' fault.

I think a lot of the anons here don't understand how affectionate a prostitute can really be towards you. The sex will only be mechanical and pointless if you treat it that way. Treat a prostitute like a girlfriend and she will treat you like her boyfriend. Yes you will have to rent that feeling by the hour and that isn't the ideal situation but a prostitute will give you so much more affection than a bar/club slut will.

A lot of prostitutes have come to love lonely guys because the lonely guys are rarely the dangerous or rude ones and they come to recognize this. They grow a sense of affection for these kind of guys because these guys don't look down on them like normies do and prostitutes are just as accustomed to the feeling of judgment from normies as we all are.

I wont speak for everyone, but I will say that I don't hate prostitutes. However, I do hate women for one simple reason and that is 2 Girls 1 Cup exists. Guys are mad that they have to do all types of shit to impress women when there are hot women out there eating their own shit out of a cup and vomiting on each other. To see a girl just fuck her own mouth with her shit fingers without gagging, then get rejected by a zilch after going through shit to impress her makes you pissed.

Now, hypergamy is bad in the long run because it hurts children in the long run. It makes unstable homes and leaves people outcasts.

Yeah that's reasonable.

Shit like that is just fucking disgusting.

I have more respect for prostitutes and porn stars than girls who are so damaged they'll be a whore for free.

So true.

The way that the roasties behave is more whorish than the way that actual prostitutes act.

Roasties like being degraded and treated like shit, when chads pass them back and forth between each other, being spanked until their ass is red and being called a bitch.

Prostitutes are actually pretty demanding when it comes to asking men to respect them. If a guy starts acting disrespectful towards them they put a stop to that. I had one stripper even tell me once "hot guys are honestly the worst ones because they think their looks allows them to say anything."

Prostitutes aren't nearly into the degrading shit the way roasties are.

You are not even a robot fucking retard. Now fuck off.

>tfw no cute prostitute gf
When did you realize hating on prostitutes was a brainlet thing to do?

I've been reading this thread and Mr. Bones here is right about everything as "objectively" as one could be on this matter, and on women in general.

My take is that OP is idealizing whores due to his past experiences with them, and those whores might have been charitable people, I can't deny it, but that doesn't contradict the fact that prostitution is not something that should be normalized due to the wrongs it brings to society.

OP said that whores fill the voids of lonely/depressed men, and that they do, temporarily. It's not a long term solution or a permanent one. You'd be better off ending hypergamy and straightening up women as it was in the times of yore as Mr. Bones thinks, then lonely/depressed (due to this matters, love and sex) men wouldn't even exist in a significant amount and the whole incel shit wouldn't even be an issue. This way you wouldn't need the shitty band aid that prostitution is as of now.

Anyway, while this conversation is enjoyable I find discusions as these demoralizing, since the smart people involved in them can't change anything, therefore ultimately it all goes to waste. And that's a real tragedy.

I'm forced to a nihilistic point of view, a society that encourages and allows pic related is doomed to die. We have been given the gift of seeing how it all ends, how the majestic buildings of our ancestors crumble, how the age of the white man ends and how the age of the brown ape begins. Everything that has a beggining has an end, and I already see our funeral pyres from here. I don't like who's bringing the torch.

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Robots don't hate whores they hate sluts, totally different thing. Sluts fuck miles of dick before settling down and being pissy that they had to give us "the privilege" of fucking a hole that's seen more dick than a public restroom at a Met's game. Then when she get's bored or mad about some random shit, she rips out your heart and shits all over it by fucking around on you and maybe even having you pay for someone else's kids since the system is just that fucked.

Whores are up front and honest, you're renting her holes, here's the price, no heart break or strings attached. It's not what most of us want, we want what society promised us all our lives, before we grew up to see the truth. We want our princess that loves us, cares for us and is loyal to us, who is "in our league" and didn't slut up her whole life from the moment she had teen attached to her age, but they no longer exist, so whores or plastic, those are the options most men that know how bad shit is have. Almost all women are fucking the top 20% of guys, really good for those guys at the top, but the bottom 80% who they rate as 3's btw, aren't going to keep accepting chad, brad, thad, and tyrone's heavily used up and still drenched cum rag as wife material. Sluts post wall just need to become whores and accept their place as the cum rags of society for some shekles, other wise to buy in bulk febreeze and candles, because the way trends are headed, I smell a good deal of cat piss and cheap wine in a modern slut's future post-wall.

We've risen from the ashes of far worse user. It's not our first collapse, we'll be okay. Well not us specifically, but as a race, we'll prevail, we always have

I've been around a few and none of them seemed anywhere close to being broken.

It's always the raging incels, who could benefit from prostitutes, who also are the most clueless about them.

tl;dr

i like prostitutes, there's one at my local brothel who is probably the closest thing i'll ever get to fucking a shortstack goblin girl

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I'm about to go into a Thai massage place and ask if they do extras. I'm dying for a blowjob bros.

I'm not against prostitutes but 90% of the ones I meet have a shitty attitude

I tried prostitution once or twice in my life. And always regretted it. The pangs of loneliness came back stronger than ever. Orgasms are nice,but I value a sincere and welcoming hug far more.

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Suprisingly quality thread OP

I think most hate towards prostitutes is jealousy. They can earn more money than skilled men who trained in their respective profession for years. Meanwhile a prostitute's only roadblock is the social stigma caused by this jealousy. Some countries even go as far as to have prostitution as illegal but they only punish the client and not the whore. This is the definition of living life on the easiest mode possible. I get it the world is not a fair place but i cant help it and get furious about this when the topic comes up

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Do not ask for extras. Just get naked / ask for no towel during the massage.

Also, you might actually do better just trying to hook up with some girl from your local mall or something. Don't touch whores unless you absolutely have to.