"you see, user, you social anxiety is gonna fix itself if you just talk to more people and practice"

fuck you guys thinking therapy would do anything

make sure to take some brain melting anti depressants as well goyim they'll make you normal

Is there even a point in getting therapy or is it just overpriced garbage?

>he won't say magical words and then boom you're not a faggot anymore
Then they should stop pretending and accept that psychology isn't a real career or solution to anything instead of wasting everyone's time
There's nothing else to cure autism, what the fuck I'm supposed to do?

>nothing else to cure autism
>implying autism can be cured

even that jordan peterson says that if you are highly neurotic you will STAY highly neurotic your whole life. Even if you spent your whole life trying and you still wouldn't be normal.

just stop being autistic bro it's that easy peasy lemon squeezy

You do realise you can ask a therapist to do things? Even though it's pretty cringy, ask him to act out a scenario with you so you can dissect how you dealt with it and how you were feeling. Or you could ask him about what he thinks about literally anything. That's what you're paying them for.

>ask therapist something
>"we're here to talk about you, please talk about what YOU want to talk. Don't expect me to do all the work for you"

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>Have the need to go to a therapist because you can't fix an issue yourself
>They give you advice
>You ignore that advice
every
fucking
time

Just, you know, talk to people. It's not so hard, bud. Hey, let your mom know I want my t-shirt back. Thanks, bud.

"Just talk bro" is not a real advice

The best "therapy" for mentally ill and depressed people is suicide.

You're brain is irreparably fucked and the only solution to this is to be mercifully euthanized.

Therapy is a joke, medicines are hit and miss.
And there currently is no way for doctors to constantly monitor and regulate your hormones so you don't feel sad and suicidal all the time.

You're basically living life like a horse with a broken leg, limping around in perpetual misery and you need to be put down.

There are currently no better options.

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>"Just talk bro" is not a real advice
What do you think the advice should've been

Now you're being ridiculous. So if a therapist says that to you, you just go along with it without saying a thing? I suspect that you have either never been through therapy, or you have an extremely bad case of learned helplessness and I believe the former because someone in the case of the latter would never even go to therapy in the first place

>cognitive-behavioral therapy
This. The only way therapy can help is if it looks at your current situation and how to move forward slowly.

That's obviously not what they just told him. Usually they come up with a plan to slowly work the person up more and more to interacting with other people.

>My problem is that I can't talk to people without getting anxiety
>"Hmm ok, let's come up with a plan of how you can slowly work yourself back into getting comfortable again talking with others"
>NOOO THAT'S NOT A SOLUTION, I WANT A SOLUTION THIS INSTANT

Jesus fuck calm down you sperg

Yeah you don't need therapy. You need a mental hospital.

Nice cope, horses.

You'll be sent off to the glue factory soon enough.

I second this. It's like telling a kid to lift up 100 lbs, before they can even bench the bar. Guys like that have to be comfortable with the situation first, then you build (gradually taper up) from there.

>b-b-but I can lift it. Why can't u?..

Actually there is no or, you have never been into therapy, you believe that is no no valid reason to ask a therapist for something because you have a very bad case of learned helplessness. Seriously, if you don't believe you can't ask a therapist for something because they'll disagree at first is retarded as fuck

>Seek help
>Receive legitimate advice
>Ignore it

You're the one at fault here, user. Don't blame the people trying to help you.

>it ur fault for not being urself
>this is totally legit advice

yeah. like people can't change the color of their eyes or their height or their hair colors they can't change how their brain was formed.
they don't get your personality, actually they do, is a manifestation of your physical brain shape. some people are intolerant to lactose, can they become tolerant by drinking milk everyday?
Just ask any neurosurgeon: when someone has a stroke, their personality changes. It's not unheard of of introverted people to become jokers and vice versa. It's all about how your brain was wired up and I highly doubt it can be changed by just desiring it very intensely. It is nature and nurture but after you're not a teen anymore it can't be molded. Every little bit of your personality is a manifestation of the physical structure of the brain.

Here's a hint: the therapist is correct.

that advice doesn t mean to be yourself but become better

What kind cunt seeks mental health advice Just to deliberately not do it. Why'd you even seek help in the firs place. You're getting in the way of people that can be helped.

>Able to talk to therapist aka a complete stranger
>therapist: Try talking to other people
>user: thinks he means to go clubbing and do public speaking

The advice was the polar opposite of be yourself

Are therapists really this fucking worthless? Never been to one

Yes, all "therapy" is just stuff that you can do with yourself, it's (at its best) meant for people who don't have the intellectual power or will to analyze their own behavior, to get them to be introspective for 45 minutes per week (and at its worst it's just a money milking scheme).

Even stuff like CBT or DBT (that's actually helpful) is just something that you can do on your own by setting some time to think about what you're doing and why and write it down so you can look at it later.

But most people have a problem doing anything structured when they're left to their own devices, so they have to pay someone to force them to, think of it as paying a personal trainer to make your workout and meal plan and sell you steroids, instead of making your own plan and finding a dealer on your own.

No that user is making shit up because he doesn't actually have an argument.

Maybe you're wrong and don't want to admit it

yes. basically they give you the obvious solution as if you've never considered it. they give little to no advice on how to go about doing it, and should you disagree with their advice you could be deemed crazy.

it's a complete waste of time and money

lmao you're right therapy wouldn't help you
you're literally too autistic to live
go make darwin proud

Maybe you're a fag and fuck you

Are you a loser who studies psychology or something?

I love this advice
I always think about a person with arachnophobia and just giving them the advice to french kiss a tarantula for 15 minutes each day to fix their 'silly' problem

Don't forget charging $100 for it

I've been there. I used to keep water in my room and brush my teeth in the backyard to avoid my roomates.

>doc i want to run a marathon but can't run all those miles
>if you want to run a marathon work up to it over time
>BUT I JUST SAID I CANT RUN A MARATHON ;_;

Talking to others in vrchat is harder than real life because people rarely talk to you unless you start a conversation, and even if you do start a conversation it goes nowhere.

I had a political debate there other day it's way easier but also way harsher, people don't chew their words

I've had maybe 4 conversations in the 48 hours i've played it

JFL at the state of this board where the entire culture of this place has been to be a haven for socially autistic people has turned into normalfaggots telling someone with severe social anxiety to just not have social anxiety.

Humans need to go extinct.

>"doc" I can't run because my legs are injured
>just work up
>b-but I can't my legs...
>JUST DO IT BRO

VRChat is full of asshole zoomers. It was fun going in with people I know, but trying to meet new people is an uphill battle because they usually just stick with their own. Heaven forbid you break someone's balls. I had one dude give me shit for not finding him funny which degenerated into us making fun of each others avatars.

This is literally the treatment for most chronic bodily injuries
>I can't move my toe doc
>MOVE YOUR TOE CUNT!
>Doc my back hurts!
>LIFT WEIGHTS IDIOT!

Same stuff applies to psych therapy. It really isn't rocket science. Only personality disorders, PTSD, and certain kinds of severe mood disorders require advanced therapy.

Most of you are just the woman in this video
youtu.be/-4EDhdAHrOg

That's how it's done though.

>Tfw had a legitimate emotional breakthrough on my issues by imagining what my persona dungeon would be like, and imagining what my shadow would say
>This is further then I got when I got actual counseling
Therapy is a meme.

>just do something you hate over and over again until you don't hate it any more
>just fake all of your interests and personality so other people can relate to you and find you interesting
>go to clubs and social events geared around your fake interests so that you can be ignored by the pre-established social circles who let you chime in a few times in order to be polite before retreating back to their insular cliques

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Freud wouldn't say anything like this. Psychology has become a joke because it let itself be influenced by bullshit politics

lol dude just go out and socialize

If you cannot improve at things through reps, your IQ (pattern recognition speed) must be very low.

>Pay to see a therapist because you can't socialise
>Doesn't actually want to socialise.
You're just dumb.

Therapy is Jewish scam, just buy some weed, Adderall and Xanax off the darknet

There are plenty of therapists who have coached clients with aspergers and social anxiety through who have helped them build relationships, get wives, and get promotions at work, and live fufilling lives based. It's about systematic desensitization, skill building in safe environments, and reinforcing approximations of goal behaviors.

What standard therapy cannot do is work on malignant personality traits of those who want to bellyache about how tough the world is.
There is a big difference between the client who comes in saying
>I am so scared. This is overwhelming. What the fuck do I do?
We can work on things together.
And the client who says
>This CAN'T work. This is too simple to work and is also too difficult for me to even try the first step. Where is the magic pill I can take to fix everything?

I don't care what your crazy ass thinks.

Sorry for the bad English.

>I swear I'm not a hack .It's all because YOU don't want to change, it's all YOUR fault because you don't try hard enough

>Just stop being addicted to heroin bro!

graded exposure is tried and tested, most people don't have anxiety because of neurochemistry being out of whack most people have social anxiety due to not socializing well at one point then just stopping socializing instead of learning to socialize properly, so in time socializing because new and scary

With social anxiety, your only options are medication, practice or avoidance. Practice can be fucking awful but it's the only way to actually deal with it or learn to cope with it a bit better.

My brother has had a gf for a year and she comes over almost everyday. I hear them next door talking and stuff. I've never once come out of my room to meet her

>decide to take "just be yourself" literally
>in social situation
>think I'm being a little tense
>decide now would be a good time to be myself
>start behaving really erratic and voicing the aspie humor inside my head
>"ahhh what the fuck man you're being really weird"

this is what normalfags don't understand. our social anxiety actually exists as a function. it's like a natural defence system against being ostracised.

Literally what my therapist told me. "Therapy" was just her telling me stuff I already knew like "be yourself" and "talk to people" and "you need to be disciplined." Like wtf lady I'm here because my mental illness makes me not fucking able to do those things!! Therapy is bullshit.

>my mental illness makes me not fucking able to do those things!!
which illness have you self diagnosed with lad?

>YOU SEE user, THE THING IS, ON YOUR BEST DAY YOU'RE JUST A B+ PLAYER
>AND WHAT'S BEST FOR BUSINESS IS FOR YOU TO STEP ASIDE

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Diagnosed w/ social anxiety.

Men have this inner gut feeling that tells them to self censor. You need to learn to silence it by not giving a fuck what others think.
youtube.com/watch?v=7ayexYHvRlk

It's pointless going to therapy for social anxiety. It might be crippling but the solution is obvious and the therapist can't do it for you. The only thing they can do is spell out that simple solution for you, put you on medication and maybe listen to you whine a bit. Anyone who expects anything more is the stupid one.

I've been exposing myself repeatedly to social situations in safe and unsafe settings (group therapy and talking to homeless guys) and I don't feel any better. CBT is bullshit because I can rationalize all I want about how my anxiety-provoking thoughts aren't realistic and it's just catastrophizing but it doesn't change my physiological response. My brain is wired to feel extreme fear and like I said, years of desensitization hasn't produced anything better, 6 therapists and 4 psychiatrists and 10 different medications didn't work, and I think it's time to just become a hikki and give up trying to be human. What use is blending in and socializing if I have to fake my entire personality? If I said what I wanted to say, acted the way I wanted to, I'd be dead or in jail. And if by some miracle I'm cured and can put on the "mask" successfully for hours at a time, it exhausts the shit out of me from analyzing the subtle facial tics and gestures and voice tones, not to mention the content of conversations and the mind games normies use in their daily social jungle arena bullshit. I'm tired of trying for years and getting no results.

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Have you ever said anything like that to a therapist?

>>Tfw had a legitimate emotional breakthrough on my issues by imagining what my persona dungeon would be like, and imagining what my shadow would say
>>This is further then I got when I got actual counseling
Could've just read Jung.

Yes, to the last 2. One was a Stacy only 4 or 5 years older than me and just nodded and frowned and said she understands that it's hard. I can't believe I stayed with her for a few months (only because she's the only female that talked to me besides my mom and 70 year bipolar grannies at group therpy). Then the second therapist was a "nerd" who liked Diablo 3 and old CRPGs so we got along very well and I felt he could be a real friend. When I told him my history and how hopeless things have become, he directed me to Jung and dragon-hero cycle stuff by that mythology guy, and that was a fun diversion for a few weeks but all it is, in practical terms, is a way to visualize yourself as some hero leaving home to fight a dragon, get treasure, and spread the wealth to your community. It's an outline or a goal for going out and conquering fears and what to do but it doesn't change anything about the situations themselves. I don't know if I'm describing it right. But in the moment of socialization, hero journey myths are useless fluff. All the Conan, barbarian, Courage Wolf template memes are useless when you're "in the field"; they might get me pumped at home to walk outside and mumble to a homeless guy about his day or walk to 711 for the first time in weeks, but they don't change feelings. Thoughts, behvaiors, and feelings, according to the CBT triangle, might be connected for some or even most people, but for me, they are disconnected.

Sorry for blog user. I have such bad anxiety, I've been lurking Jow Forums for 9 years until last year and I still only post 4-5 times a week here. Nothing will be solved in this thread, but at least I got it out. That's all the therapists could ever do for me. Jow Forums is my therapist.

they're right you know

0xdeadbeef

I used to be like OP. It ended up being caused by obsessive thoughts.

Huh, so it turns out the cure is worse than the disease.

im curious since i dont have social anxiety
what happens in your head when you try to talk to people?

>you need to be disciplined.
You're telling me I can get a lady to do this on the NHS?

Not him, but it's basically just pure fear. It's an irrational fear of course, but that's how almost all fear is.

Not that user but I'll see if I can explain. For one I will try my hardest, often subconsciously, to avoid situations where I have to talk to another person. If for whatever reason I do end up in a situation where I'm talking to a person my mind essentially goes blank and I go into an autopilot where my brain finds the quickest way to end the encounter with the least amount said. If I'm forced to stay in a situation where talking is happening I'm mostly in that blank state where it is very difficult to have any complex conscious thought. While all of this is happening I am feeling as if the person I am talking to or the people I am around are very dangerous animals that I must do my best to avoid provoking. It's a similar feeling of fear like when you're up very high near a ledge. Finally when I exit the situation I go into a depressive state where I introspect heavily on how fucked up I am.

before you can say or act in front of others you process everything through too many filters to the point where either say nothing or have analysed it too long that when you do say or do something it comes out unnaturally.

yeah exposure therapy has never worked for me. I feel good after the anxiety causing thing is over but the next time I do it it's just as bad

>bought an HTC Vive last year
>saw all the VRchat knuckles memes and got hyped to mess around on there and laugh at all the autism like I'd do on Second Life
>the 3D and everyone's head and arm movements are really convincing
>so convincing it just causes me to default to my normal routine of just watching other people, silently in a corner, too scared to talk
>when people come up to me to talk about my waifu skin I usually just let out a "y-yeah, hahah, I really like her a lot" then stop talking

Goddamn it.

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I have social anxiety for a very good reason. because this is what is going on inside my brain

vocaroo.com/i/s09qhKB7RncP

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when i talk to people i dont know it seems like my brain is going through a flow chart at a million miles per hour trying to find a proper response. that's the best way i can describe it. so i'm doing that in my head while at the same time trying to listen to what they're saying. it's extremely exhausting and makes me nervous.

THIS THIS THIS. I'm exactly the same. Nothing fucking works. It's all just a meme.

Fuck all the people in this thread with their condescending know-it-all attitude telling me my problems are easy and straightforward to resolve. HURR DURR JUST GO OUT AND SOCIALIZE AND IT'LL ALL GET BETTER. Fuck you.

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I think I just have a naturally more sensitive disposition than most people. there's no cure. it might manifest itself obviously in social situations but this sensitivity pertains to everything. I've been this way since an extremely young child

Best descriptions I've ever read. All literally me. What's wrong with us bros?