God I wish that were me

Unless you’re an nfl player there is 0 point to that shit. Dude looks like a jacked nfl nigger, but while he’s flipping tires making mayyyybe 100,000 a year tops those guys are making millions upon millions.

>100k a year
>for being a bloated chimp
fuck this degenerate society

>>get no respect from anyone except adolescent teenagers
>>be very nearly retarded
>>never achieve anything of worth or note
Denis Cyplenkov has until very recently been the strongest arm wrestler on the planet and holds the strict curl world record.
Thousands of people of all age groups around the world admire him. That alone means that he has achieved plenty of worth or note. That is, unless you think that your opinion somehow transcends other people's, which would make you an arrogant idiot.
Also, if you'd bothered to ever watch a single interview with the man, you'd realise he is very knowledgeable and well spoken.

I can't believe people like you actually exist. How can you have so little insight into your own behaviour?

Oh yeah? Post body.

link?

I don't have any pics saved on my laptop.

Nice hollow reply. Any actual arguments?

youtube.com/watch?v=FoFCP2NxLRw

Doesn't he have an myostatin deficit? I mean besides his obvious roiding.

Save for the occasional juicing comment, i'm not seeing the butthurt you mentioned. Seems like everyone agrees Denis is a beast.

Rumor has it he has acromegaly, aka adult gigantism.

I'm sure Denis Clyplenkov is very happy with his life, as are all the retards who look up to him. I'm sure he is absolutely convinced that his "achievements" are worthy and of note.

I'm asking why anyone would want to be the kind of person who is satisfied with that kind of life, and that level of delusion. If you could choose to be anyone, would you choose to be a retard with no aspirations higher than "lift heavy thing?"

And I know that there are people here - intelligent people, like you - who will say yes. What I don't understand is WHY.

I don't know. I have no idea who it is.

Being in the top 1-5% of ANYTHING is extremely satisfying. Doesn't matter what it is. Even if that thing is just "lifting heavy thing" - there is a place for it, and swathes people who will respect you for it. Just because you don't find it impressive doesn't mean nobody does, or that people who are are retarded.

>If you could choose to be anyone, would you choose to be a retard with no aspirations higher than "lift heavy thing?"
Yes, next question
>What I don't understand is WHY.
Because that makes me feel good

Thank you for your time

This is true in general, but when the achievements are achieved almost entirely through drugs, there's not much to admire.

>Being in the top 1-5% of ANYTHING is extremely satisfying.
Sure, but why would you choose to be a person who is in the top 1-5% of something dumb if you could be in the top 1-5% of anything else?

And why would you choose to respect a person in the top 1-5% of something dumb - especially when they're only there based on a combination of luck and being too dumb to be anywhere else (and of course hard work)?

Do you respect the dude who can do the loudest burp in the world? Of course not. You'd have to be a fucking retard to do so.

>Just because you don't find it impressive doesn't mean nobody does
Obviously.

>or that people who are are retarded.
Wrong, and I would bet considerable money that empirical research would bear this out. I bet that extreme physical fitness has an inverse correlation with even moderately above average intelligence, let alone extreme intelligence.

>Because that makes me feel good
Being a retard makes you feel good?

rumor? with that face and those hands?

>I'm asking why anyone would want to be the kind of person who is satisfied with that kind of life, and that level of delusion. If you could choose to be anyone, would you choose to be a retard with no aspirations higher than "lift heavy thing?"
You're looking at this all wrong. It's not that people choose someone that they respect and wish to emulate. It is as natural as admiring great beauty in a woman. Many men are naturally drawn towards physical strength, out of societal and evolutionary reasons that don't need specifying. This backwards notion that only dumb people care for physical strength and aesthetics while smart people are content with being either bags of bones or sacks of shit needs to go. We all have to strike a balance between the physical and the intellectual, and there's nothing wrong with moving closer to one end rather than the other if that's what gives you the most fulfillment. Also, I should reiterate that there's much more knowledge, planning and discipline involved in some of these sports than you might think. I haven't seen a single arm wrestling champion who isn't extremely knowledgeable about the physiology of hand, wrist, elbow and shoulder as well as a broad variety of training methods. Far from being retards, in their niche, they are masters.

Well, it hasn't been confirmed, but yes, it seems pretty obvious.

When drugs are a common denominator, it can be taken out of the equation.

Easy: just do bench press and bicep curls in the squat rack. No need to train your legs.

>It's not that people choose someone that they respect and wish to emulate.
I'm aware of that.

I'm trying to understand how you people think. I'm asking you to engage in a hypothetical whereby you are capable of choosing who you want to be. In that situation, who would you choose to respect? If the answer is some roided up subhuman - why? And if the answer is not a roided up subhuman - why are you up in arms about it now when the reasons you wouldn't choose to respect it are likely the same ones that I've given?

In short I am trying to achieve some insight.

There is nearly certainly nothing you can teach me about how the world works, because my powers of observation and ability to connect information likely outmatch yours substantially. What I want you to teach me is how you work, because I cannot observe the operation of your reason except that you spell it out for me.

>Far from being retards, in their niche, they are masters.
Their niche is retarded.

That's what I thought.

>mfw I have those proportions
>mfw all of my friends are taller and called me a badger because of it

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The main factor in determining my respect for others is the amount of work, dedication and sacrifice that they put in the pursuit of whatever matters most to them. By this token I respect an elite sportsman as much as a leading scientist. Although the results of their work can be vastly different, they both spend 10 or more hours a day consumed by their passion and often have to sacrifice a lot in order to achieve results. Statistically, the scientist will be significantly smarter than the sportsman, true, but why should that in any way make me have less respect for the latter? Because they happened to be born with a mediocre IQ? We all have different propensities, strengths and weaknesses, all that matters is that we put the work in to achieve our potential. I base my judgement and respect on actions, not randomness.

If you honestly cannot conceive of reasons why, given a vast range of experiences and upbringings, some people would choose to idolise a fellow like Clyplenkov then you aren't nearly as perceptive, imaginative or intelligent as you think you are.

Off the top of my head:

>Child has a strong father
>Father gets him into strength sports
>Child wishes to make his father proud
>Child grows into man who derives great self-worth and pleasure from being the strongest man he can be.

There needn't be anything more to it than that. Who are you to say it's retarded? It's one facet of a person's life. They may round it out with other hobbies. They may have different priorities to you. Is that really that hard for you to understand? Can you not conceive of people having valid motives other than those that you deem best?

Most people just want to live their lives and enjoy themselves. Aspiring to greatness in something like strength sports is, existentially no less valid than anything else you can name.

if you wished he were you, then you would train like he does you fat fuck

He looks like a giant dwarf

Laptops have webcams you retard
Unless you're dirt poor fag and have a laptop from 2005 or something

Let people enjoy things man geez

>There is nearly certainly nothing you can teach me about how the world works, because my powers of observation and ability to connect information likely outmatch yours substantially.

pls be either bait or use this power of observation to realise how much of a neckbeard you sound like. Reading Nietszche once doesn't make you a god amongst Jow Forumsizens

Not really. It's usually about who can handle the most drugs.

>The main factor in determining my respect for others is the amount of work, dedication and sacrifice that they put in the pursuit of whatever matters most to them.
That seems to me to be a midwit approach.

Why not respect people on the basis of their achievements rather than merely their effort? And if you propose to respect people on the basis of their achievements, it follows necessarily that there must be some system for ordering the value of achievements.

I can conceive of reasons why. I just can't conceive of anyone who isn't in thrall to those reasons defending them.

Hence why I wondered how people can lack so much insight into their own behaviour.

Like I said, you don't need to explain to me how retards work. They're not complicated. What I don't understand is how they can be ignorant to their own retardation. But I guess the answer to that, as you have demonstrated, is simply that they are retarded.

No.

>realise how much of a neckbeard you sound like.
It's an affectation that I affect deliberately because I know it annoys people.

>Reading Nietszche once doesn't make you a god amongst Jow Forumsizens
Me talking to normal people is like normal people talking to someone with an IQ of 70.

Literally.

>Like I said, you don't need to explain to me how retards work. They're not complicated. What I don't understand is how they can be ignorant to their own retardation
literal irony

you can itcrease wrist size a bit
i dunno who would want fists that big though

Is everyone who doesn't adhere to your aspirations retarded?
Many of these people are demonstrably very intelligent, reasonably aware of their own behaviour and yet still choose these 'retarded' pursuits because it's their prerogative to do so.

What explicitly is 'retarded' about people choosing to pursue various goals beyond simply you not approving of them?

>Me talking to normal people is like normal people talking to someone with an IQ of 70

HAHAHA thought I was on r/imverysmart for a second there

The guy has a limited scope in what is deemed "acceptable" hobbies.
And he wonders why people rarely want to hang out with him

>What I don't understand is how they can be ignorant to their own retardation

Dunno you tell me

It's mathematical fact.

>Is everyone who doesn't adhere to your aspirations retarded?
No.

>Many of these people are demonstrably very intelligent
I don't really believe that.

Some of them are probably midwits, but they would be very rare. They're only a small percent of the general population and would be even rarer amongst extreme athletes. I think that it is very likely that there is a strong inverse correlation between IQ and extreme athleticism. I'd like to talk to someone who was very intelligent and an extreme athlete, but I've never met that person. And not for lack of searching.

>What explicitly is 'retarded' about people choosing to pursue various goals beyond simply you not approving of them?
Nothing. But they are pursuing retarded goals, and the reason they don't see that their goals are retarded is because they themselves are retards.

>"BUT THAT'S JUST YOUR OPINION"
No. I have spent years wondering about this - not just in relation to fitness, either. This is a tiny subset of a broader question, which goes to the very nature of what it means to even be intelligent. Why can I see connections or understand things that others can't? Why are you incapable of arriving at the same conclusions as me without hours of handholding and asspatting?

I have spent YEARS reading about this topic and YEARS talking to everyone I could find about it. Smart people and dumb people. My fundamental question this entire thread and for all of that time has always been WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND. How does lack of intelligence make you incapable of understanding? How does intelligence make me more capable of understanding?

It's not "my opinion" that these people are retarded - or rather it's not my guess that they are retarded. I have talked to them. The shit that they say is fucking retarded. The shit that the athletes say is fucking retarded and the shit that the idolizers say is retarded. For example:

>t. Delusional dyel

>coping this hard

You didn't answer the question. What specifically is it about these goals that makes them 'retarded'?

>What specifically is it about these goals that makes them 'retarded'?
I refer you to my first post in this thread.

This is what I'm talking about when I talk about retards. This isn't a complicated discussion but here I am leading you around by the fucking nose.

Ah so you're taking your subjective opinion and prejudices about strength training and making an unqualified statement that everyone pursuing such goals is 'retarded'.

That's some quality rhetoric there my man.

god, why the fuck are you on this board is beyond me

>your subjective opinion
Obviously the retards who desire the things that you get from pursuing these goals will be well pleased to get them.

For the nth fucking time, I'm asking why anyone would choose to want those things.

I cannot make this clearer for you.

Now ask me again why I think you people are retarded.

Same reason Jow Forums has fat people hate threads.

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>entire life revolves around incredibly boring and pointless feats of strength
your entire life revolves around incredibly boring and pointless feats of wagecucking

>Being in the top 1-5% of ANYTHING is extremely satisfying.

>tfw easily top 1% in intelligence if i'm honest with myself
>tfw easily top 5% physically if i'm honest with myself
>tfw insecure enough that none of it matters and it's not satisfying

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>Why not respect people on the basis of their achievements rather than merely their effort?
Because achievements depend on far more than hard work and sacrifice. Accident of birth alone accounts for a large percentage of successful people, who happened to be born at the right place and time, to the right parents, with the right support structure or who were lucky enough to capitalize on a trend at the right time. I'm not saying these people lack dedication, but they do have a massive advantage compared to others. This is why hard work and sacrifice is, in my eyes, the best measure of a person's character and what makes them worth of respect.

>got back my mensa admission test results
>155 IQ (99.98%)
>too smart to be pleased because i know it's the result of arbitrary chance and not hard work
>and everything i've accomplished through hard work was only possible because of my IQ in the first place
Just let me die.

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A mix of nature and nurture most probably. People are both genetically predisposed toward certain activities and are steered towards various pursuits by influencing factors around them.

The rest is simply a matter of deriving pleasure. People do things that make them feel good. What particularly is wrong with 'choosing' to excel at strength sports? You might subjectively state that they're 'retarded' but, ultimately, lifting weights repetitively, in order to lift heavier weights, is no more or less valid or worthwhile than any other activity. It doesn't matter.
It's not hard to look at how people are born, how they develop and then understand why they would choose any number of different goals.
It's very simple.

Why do you choose to do the things that you do ? How are they any more valid than strength sports?

>For the nth fucking time, I'm asking why anyone would choose to want those things

Maybe, just maybe, people enjoy those activities

>enjoying those activities is retarded

This.is.an.opinon.

Idiot. "Sort of train"? Do you have any idea of the effort he puts into his training? You have no idea how steroids work at all. Complete and utter spastic.

Everyone is a product of their environment. Everyone achieves precisely what they achieve in life purely because of circumstance. Everything is preordained. Free will is an illusion. Don't worry about it.

>hi normal person. Nice to meet you. Btw I have a higher IQ than you

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>Because achievements depend on far more than hard work and sacrifice.
And they matter far more.

>This is why hard work and sacrifice is, in my eyes, the best measure of a person's character and what makes them worth of respect.
So someone who cures cancer on the weekend is less worthy of respect than someone who digs holes and then fills them in again every day of his life?

Of course not. Your worldview is incomplete. I'm not saying that hard work and sacrifice are worthless and that all that matters is what you achieve because you're right - who can achieve is fairly arbitrary. But hard work and sacrifice alone have never been enough either, as you will admit.

The truth is that retardo in the OP is doing the equivalent of digging holes and then filling them in again. It's a worthless and narcissistic activity that he pursues only because he's too much of a dropkick to know better. His work ethic is worthy of some respect, I guess, but he is not. He's nothing to aspire to.

>Maybe, just maybe, people enjoy those activities
If people only did what they enjoyed doing the world would be a fucking disaster.

Are you stupid? That's it, I'm done on this board for today. Summer is destroying this board.

"Those people enjoy heavy strength training activities"

>If people only did what they enjoyed doing the world would be a fucking disaster

...r u retarded. did I say the activities those people enjoy is all they do?

I know of this feel

That you enjoy something is not a basis for doing it.

All of those things are your subjective evaluation of how he looks, the worth of his endeavors, who he gets respect from, etc. Considering your smarmy, dismissive, and pompous attitude, I highly doubt that you're well educated or well traveled. You can judge for yourself what you find worthy but you can't pass judgement on the value of anyone else's pursuits or achievements because you, not having achieved anything, are less than that roided retard freak. Whatever intelligence you may or may not have is nothing but worthless potential unless you actually use it to achieve something.

It is one of the reasons for a person to do it.

Do you not have any hobbies you enjoy?

Read the thread.

You're again confused about the question that I am asking.

I'm not asking why retards do dumb things.

I'm asking why people (who are not retards) want to be retards.

From this thread it appears that the answer is simply that they haven't thought hard enough about it yet.

Ok I'll bite.
Is the guy in OP pic a guy who you , for some reason, consider retarded?

>And they matter far more
Of course they matter more in the grand scheme of things, but that doesn't necessarily tell us much about the people behind them.
A narcisistic genius can make incredible scientific discoveries, driven by a need for admiration, but that does not in my eyes make him a better, more deserving person than an average man who genuinely does his best for his family or small community, putting their needs over his own. There are a plethora of reasons why hard working individuals may never have great achievements to boast about, but that doesn't in any way diminish them in my eyes.

Actually never mind I dont actually care enough

>There are a plethora of reasons why hard working individuals may never have great achievements to boast about, but that doesn't in any way diminish them in my eyes.
But those hard working individuals you're talking about are still spending their time doing something worthwhile, even if it isn't something great.

I think you'll find it hard to stretch that wide enough to admit retardo the arm wrestler.

Sure, I can respect the humble man who lives a life of small good works. I can even respect him just as much or more than people who achieve great things without being themselves virtuous. But there's no comparison between the rest of us and the great man who is virtuous and achieves immense things, and that's why we call them great.

So people are only allowed to like high IQ things because you said so. Thank you for your input I will make sure to tell everyone how smart and elevated you are above us common folk with your enlightened insight in what dumb/normal people have to like.

Great sportmen often do a better job of inspiring others and teaching them discipline than a prolific academic or eccentric scientist. That discipline can in turn be cultivated outside of the gym or diet and push people to reach their potential in a wide range of domains. If you sift through the many silly threads on this board, you will find many cases where it was fitness that helped people get their lives together, and nothing is as powerful a motivation for fitness than those who have achieved the peak of their sport and use that experience to inspire others. We are visual creatures: a highlight reel showcasing skill and athleticism will get people fired up and has a high chance of persuading people to take that first, hardest step on a long journey of self-improvement. You might think it silly that people can't find all the motivation/discipline within themselves, but the reality of it is that many simply can't. And, regardless of their IQ, others can help.

>Great sportmen often do a better job of inspiring others
I don't believe this. The people that I have interacted with in my life who are interested in sport don't strike me as particularly better than anyone else. I think that any effect of a role model in any field would be similar across people who respond to that type of motivation, and everyone would experience it equally in regards to role models in fields that they are interested in.

Furthermore, I think a large part of this effect in relation to sportspeople is caused by the exact delusion that is being discussed in this thread, which is that they are worthy of respect. But that delusion cannot be cured, obviously, and I don't propose that we should if we could necessarily.

Lastly, being a role model and being a good role model are different, obviously. People become role models simply because of their success in the field - and lots of them crash and burn publicly. It is the things that people do outside of their sport once they become a role model that seem to count. What I mean by this is that anyone who is the best arm wrestler becomes a role model for would be arm wrestlers, but the best arm wrestler who engages in further good works in the public spotlight is the one who becomes a great role model - i.e. it is not the arm wrestling that is actually virtuous or "an achievement" worthy of respect.

Anyway, it's an interesting question.

The time is now half past 5 AM and I have a day of work ahead of me still to go, so I need to end this discussion. Thanks for your time. It ended up more educational for me than most of my experiences on Jow Forums, thanks to you. As you can see, almost everyone else in this thread who responded to me was a dipshit.

>I think that any effect of a role model in any field would be similar across people who respond to that type of motivation, and everyone would experience it equally in regards to role models in fields that they are interested in
I'm sure this is true, but at the same time I think that due to our animalistic nature we all (or most of us at any rate) share a natural attraction to physical displays of skill and strength. I may have no personal interest in professional gymnastics, but I can be blown away by a great performance. In a way, it bridges cultural, educational and societal gaps and is globally appreciated in ways that only certain forms of art can match.

It was a nice conversation, have a good day.

not really
long legs short torso is a huge mechanical advantage in almost everything

looks like the Hulk is he was shrunken down to regular human size and didn't have green skin

Would lose to a fat experienced fighter.

All juice, food and training wasted for nothing.

and the fighter would lose at chess to an experienced player who fucking cares

I'd say he has a chance against most non heavyweights

How do I get sausage fingers?