/fraud/ - steroids general

Debating between cruising on 150mg Test E/week or just running Letrazole 25mg/ 3 days. Obviously not looking for cycle tier gains just wanna counteract the chemicals in the water.

generationiron.com/calum-von-moger-versus-bradley-martyn/

>just get regular bloods

THIS SUCKS

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Jesus fucking christ
You guys over paying

Anyway post bloods when you get a chance...

What are you running anyway some of those tests you're wasting money on

How the fuck do you guys not have anger issues running gear

>You guys over paying

Where should I be getting them done? I don't think my doc gives a shit as long as I get the labs requested.

>Anyway post bloods when you get a chance

Won't be that interesting, I'm just on a TRT protocol and HCG.

Doctor's orders. We're seeing if my current TRT dosage is good. Feels good to me but I think my test might be slightly too high.

So what are you running

Somewhere between 150-185mg or they start you at 200mg per week

Why are you on TRT/HRT anyway

140, down from the initial 200. I suffered from low test symptoms and my test was fairly low for my age but not low enough for low test diagnosis. My estrogen however, was extremely low and I was suffering low estrogen symptoms like shitty joints. TRT cured all my symptoms

How old are you now
Any pre bloodwork?

Are you planning on staying for a long time
I'm planning on dropping the gear use one day and probably even give up lifting but not sure right now

30, I believe I was 28 when I started treatment. Low test symptoms came hard after I turned 25 but they've been with me for a lot of my life. Pre-bloods I could dig up had my test at 317 and free test at 12.5. Sadly I can't find my old estradiol bloodwork but it was low enough that even my general practitioner knew something was up. I intend to stay on TRT for life because I feel so much better now. It's like any other health issue, if being on my meds makes me feel better I'll stay on my meds.

and if you were thinking of asking, no I never pinned before TRT.

Former fatty 1 year lifting experience.. in caloric defecit. I want to know what to expect both good and bad from doing only 1 cycle ever. Will i keep the gains, is it gonna fuck me up etc

>age
28
>height
173cm
>weight
82kg
>bodyfat
13%
>time spent lifting
12 years
>girth
22mm

Want to get on TRT (100mg of Test-C E3D), is my bodyfat % too high? I have read that at higher bodyfat % you will see more side effects.

Also I intended to never cycle off the TRT and take HCG which I also will not cycle off.

>people like Jon Skywalker

Jon Skywalker seems like a cool dude but in now way should you idolise him or take any advice from him (other than not caring what people think).

If Calum was smarter he would keep going to golds and hanging with people who prioritise gym in their life and want to get good at their sport and reach new limits.
seems like calum has realised that he will never get to olympia stage and iv even heard you're lucky to walk without a limp after fucking up your leg like that.
Poor bloke but didn't really deserve it.

Get 10% but it’s okay 500mg test

10% is doable.

Why 500mg? I just want to get to normal levels.

If your never going get off might as well BnC or just go 350 mg then go back down to 125 mg but it’s up to you my first cycle was 350 mg made decent gains

Higher BF likely more sides you’ll be a bloated mess but yes you’ll lose the water weight after cycle just keep the calories high and intensity in the gym you’ll keep most

Been on TRT for 3 years. Circumstances have changed and I’m going to try and get off. PCT rec’s?

hcg clomid nova use hcg before nova/clomid

what circumstances make you want to stop? anything health related?

You are fucking retarded

hcg/nolva.

Look out for clomid, since it can make you blind.

e-mjm.org/2002/v57n2/Visual_Disturbances.pdf

fuckign roid raging cunt

Post hair routine please

Maybe he's travelling somewhere and won't be able to pin himself during this time
Also concerned about your hair

I've gone through pretty much the same situation. I'm guessing you're trying to have kids. Anyway, I followed this routine that I got off testosterone nation. the forum is gay as fuck, but there's this dude KSman or something that's VERY knowledgeable and recommended this both for PCT (as in after a real cycle) or coming off trt.

start HcG 250iu/EoD
after two weeks, stop testosterone injections
start administering aromasin (exemestane) at 12.5 EoD
continue dosing HcG at 250iu/EoD for two more weeks until the test clears out of your system
stop HcG
start using nolva (tamoxifen) at 20mg EoD
keep this going for 4 weeks
get blood testing done
if FSH, LH and test levels are in a good range, keep going. if not, go back to trt for life and forget about it, either your HPTA or your testes are fucked.
If values are good:
taper off the nolva for two weeks, cutting dose in half each week
stop nolva
taper off exemestane for a couple more weeks.

Done.

If your testes hang low and libido is back to normal, you're good to go. You probably won't be fertile for a few months since spermatogenesis takes about 3 months, but you should be up and running.

I did this and got extremely good results. 10 months later I'm absolutely recovered and even have a higher libido than when I started trt. go figure.

Good luck.

Who was the girlfriend? The half asian girl with the bolt on tits?

I want to cut for summer, im fatass but really strong. Clen or eca ? Is getting e even possible in europe?

I followed him in the past. He seemed like a swell guy. Call me a shut in or whatever but partying ruined many people like that

How much should I be jerking off on 500mg Test/pw?

uh it’s $150 for full panel on privatemdlabs lmao

ECA, almost as effective metabolically as Clen butwithout the sides, and also nukes your appetite to zero.

What stats do I need to find out from bloodtests? Im in BE/NL, how does one get bloods here?

Hey guys worried about gyno. These are my nips as they usually appear wearing cotton t-shirts. I don't think they changed since getting on gear and I've felt no itchiness at all (I heard this was the first sign) - it's winter where I live if that helps? Is this potentially gyno? I am at 25-30% body fat, I guess but losing about half a kilo to a kilo a week.

My cycle is 500mg E3.5D with no AI as of yet. I can't get bloods done right now so all AI and estrogen levels are judges and based off feel. Any advice would be great especially from some of the trips around.

Also some exercises don't really feel like they are hitting the right muscles - I have a PPLPPLX with three days based on power/strength to up the big 4 and three days based on volume (I posted it to CCFC in previoud /fraud/ thread). Say if I do face pulls at 20 or more reps with light weight my rear delts will light up like sun, with an ungodly burn and awesome pump. Obviously the stregrh/power days I'm not worried about this but on volume days I do lat pulldown and barely feel it activate the muscle despite following all cues (using hands as hooks and contracting lats at bottom) - I've tried close grip, wide grip, leaning back. I'm having the same trouble with rows, I tried moving to Pendlays with better results but still feel like they are destroying my lower back and not doing much for any other muscles there.

I guess I'm after some advice on back ever use I can use to get a good burn and pump going at high volume as well as something to replace hip thrust for quads. Also am I being paranoid or do I have gyno?

Sorry for the blog post /fraud/.
Cheers boys.

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you may be getting psuedo gyno if your estro is high, but not high enough to have painful nips and actual glands grow. That is, your bodyfat may accumulate around your chest more than it would have natty, but no actual tits growing

For back, always go a little lighter and think about a two stage movement.

1st: pull your shoulder blades down/back depending on if it's row/lat pulldown. Think of the same movement you do when benching where you pull shoulder blades together before you lie down

2nd: then pull arms down and finish movement

Thanks for subscribing to my blog response

Thanx, im not asking for sources but is it possible to get it in Europe at all? Or only shady ug from china that could fuck me up

Just started my first cycle. 200 mg test cyp and expect to go up as the weeks progress. Just wanted to gauge my reaction. Any advice or what to expect? How about realistic expectations of gains?

eca is ephedrine, caffeine and aspirin, dude. ephedrine is legal over the counter in a bunch of countries.

Is there anything I can do for pseudo gyno? Besides losing fat as fast as possible? Will nolva knock it back or am I destined to soldiers at attention nips for life?

Those cues are really helpful, I assume with number two that applies for pulling arms up (If rowing).

Thanks for your help, mate. I really appreciate it. I find heavy Kroc rows and sitting cable rows are the only thing that let's me get a burn. I think maybe I need to work on form. Thanks again.

Nolvadex

once you start taking illegal testosterone can you tell your doctor? or can they report you

20 ed and keep lifting at 500test e a week,? I've heard bad reporrts of brain fog and the like. Anyone with experience chime in?

How keepable are adrol gains?

Gonna do a gram of test and 25mg dbol for four months. Adrol pulsing worth the lethargy?

Curious about this since this will probably be similar to my first cycle

Nolva is most commonly used during PCT so gets a bad rep for sides associated with PCT.

Adrol is fucking insane, I ran only 25mg and gained 15 lbs in 3 weeks.

Yeah lol, same shit I've been hearing from experience reports. How much you keep after coming off and is the mystery gyno real?

you're going to run 500mg and pct?
what in the actual fuck?

What do you mean?

I ordered 2 vials of test e and I noticed one of the vials exp date is different on the small box it came in. The other one is the same 'lot but exp date is the same on the vial and box. Could it be a fake one?

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pct is post cycle therapy.. why would you still be on gear and doing pct?

he's running nolva to help with gyno. it's not just a pct compound you retarded monkey, don't try to answer questions or belittle people with your day 1 knowledge.

youre parroting shit youve mistakenly read here before you fucking retard. nobody uses nolva for gyno.

>paying for meme work because natties and stranger on the internet is peddling it as a necesaty

and please for the love of god post timestamped body

>Nolvadex doesnt have the ability to reduce estrogen in the body nor does it have the ability to prevent it from forming and building up; for such an affect to occur one would need an Aromatase Inhibitor (AI.) AIs actively reduce estrogen in the body, most commonly Arimidex and Letrozole come to mind but they also aid in preventing the estrogen

very few people benefit from nolve preventing gyno fuckface.. AI does that much better.

hurrrr durrrr hurrrr

you're an absolute moron who doesn't even understand how estrogen receptors work or how nolvadex acts as a serm

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how do roids close growth plates if its estrogen that closes them?

aromatization

Am I not natty once I use clen?
It's not even anabolic

Ah Hell Yeah! Always wanted to make my dick smaller than it already is op Thanks

so if you keep popping adex you’ll be good?

Anyone have a link on how to make nasal spray?

Same here

if you keep your estrogen within range you'll be fine, yes. that's not an excuse to roid as a teenager though, there are other possible issues.

>that's not an excuse to roid as a teenager though
it is for me
natty test was geriatric-tier at 18
05 fuck em my niggas lets cultivate this mass

What kind of physique could I get with only test cycles? Any pros do that? Test cycles are so easy n chill, sides are way less severe etc... I just wanna be a big thicc guy. Can high test cycles do that? Deca is nice but it makes my BP and dick suck.

Taking test+mk677+adex in your teens will make you a tall+robust slayer. I knew this kid who was only 70-5ish kg@190cm back in 9th grade and started taking all of the aforementioned stuff. By the end of high school he was a 2m 140kg beast. As long as you control your estrogen and don't take hard-core stuff like tren, you'll definitely reach or even get above your genetic potential. The only downside is you'll be stuck on it for life but honestly who gives a shit? Your life will be 100x better just for a small inconvience.

is equipoise a mistake?
.t just ate 10000 calories today and still eating

yes it's not gonna help you grow much

Steroids don't make your dick small, brainlet.

Jon Skywalker and his "crew" sometimes work out at my gym. One of his crew is a regular and I see him all the time. They are pretty cringy. Honestly brought my opinion of Calum down when I learned that he hangs out with them

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Lol thanx, they had 120mg , if its that simple to get it why was eca stacks banned ?

Yeah its fake pharma then. Drug companies dont make these mistakes

My understanding was that it's more water gains than dbol. Having taken both, I'm prob never running anadrol again but probably will use dbol. Anadrol just made me feel sick the whole time, looked juicy but it was alot of water too and my BP was impossible to control. Dbol won't blow you up as much but the sides are from estrogen mostly so it's a little easier to manage them. Gains for me are better with dbol because my appetite doesn't go to hell, and dat sweet estrogen makes me happy not sickly. Pretty sure estrogen is the only reason dbol is "less toxic" than anadrol.

Is hcg actually necessary to restart hormone production? This guy says you need it but I'm thinking he's overreacting.
youtube.com/watch?v=ZcZ7o6OIkC4

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no, hcg doesnt help with recovery at all.

cruise on a gram

I did 300 my first cycle I gained 20 kept 15 just eat lift rest eat

not sure if this counts as source talk (if it is delete it and warn me and I won't do it again) but a lot of UK and Greek sellers are borderline pharma tier quality and as easy as amazon to order from

>never believed steroids affect dick size
>no change in dick size after b&c for a few years and running lots of test and heavily androgenic compounds
>10 weeks into 400mg of deca (with 800mg test and kicked with 50mg adrol) and noticably longer and girthier
what is this sorcery? surely if anything makes it bigger it'd be tren or DHTs like mast and proviron and not deca?

think higher estrogen can add girth

because when I crashed my e2 my dick was way thinner than normal

Nudge me into the right direction. I'm sick of shit USA china bathrub raws sellers that I've come across

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You don't need PCT, it's an internet meme that makes dealers more money than they make off gear.

Been on test 4 years straight, came off without issues.

im getting my test checked next week by the doctor. im natty atm so how can i tank my natural test so i can get on dat dere free TRT?

Of course it isn't. You think all the thousands of bodybuilders who used steroids before hcg/clomid became popular all went infertile and never recovered?

Drink alcohol the night before the test.

On a real note, good luck. I've done something similar and have low test (322 and 280 levels), he sent me an endocrinologist, who still in the end did not want to put on trt. It was a long process of bullshit. Just find someone who specializes in trt/hrt

This is the retarded advice you get from this board

You don't need, but it accelerates the recovery.