Does going to failure matter more than weight?

Does going to failure matter more than weight?

Like drop sets for example. I obviously won't be lifting as much weight during a drop set but I can make sure i'm going to complete failure

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Also if I go to complete failure I probably won't be able to lift as much weight on the next set. Is this bad?

you're increasing your recovery time while decreasing volume, pick a weight you can actually lift for x sets of y reps

Always go till failure. This is one of the things Arnold swore by

it is good advice if you're on roids. it's terrible advice if you still have your natty card though.

>going to failure
Mhmm, I too love training a muscle group once a week and plateauing so early it's pathetic, unless you're on enough of a roid cocktail that recovery is a non-factor.

Well going till failure is far more intense mentally and in my experience helps keep your test up (which is a huge factor)

That's weird because everyone else says "volume is pointless unless you're on roids"

So which one is it?

alright dude, good luck with that

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faggot

None of those posts conflict with that statement.

>he doesn't channel his inner rage during a set
Literally never gonna make it

the truth is working out is pointless unless you're on roids

>He's too much of a pussy to recover from ppl and hit everything 2x a week

wow lol get those test levels checked

>passive-aggressive estrogen-filled reply

Fucking do your sets until failure you FAGGOT, you sound like the fat fucks who tell you not to run because it's "bad for your knees"

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THIS. If the world ends I'm gonna beat the breaks off people like you after your muscles give out in the first 30 seconds

going to failure is the most retarded thing you can do as a natural

even as a steroid user it's not the most effective way to build muscle

what matters the most is volume and intensity, the higher it is the better

BUT

if you fucking have muscle failure, then you can't lift anymore can you ? that means your volume and intensity is gonna be FUCKING ZERO idiots, ZERO, until you are recovered

so do NOT fucking go til failure, because the VOLUME and INTENSITY will be HIGHER on the WEEK if you NEVER FAIL, because you will NOT HAVE ANY FUCKING LONG RECOVERY TIMES, you will recover WITHIN NIGHT SLEEP ALONE

even competitive bodybuilders that use steroids don't go til failure, it's extremely bad

as a natural to go til failure ? you are fucking losing muscle doing that, never fucking do that

>if you fucking have muscle failure, then you can't lift anymore can you ? that means your volume and intensity is gonna be FUCKING ZERO idiots, ZERO, until you are recovered

lol you have no fucking idea what youre talking about

oh really ?

tell me how hard are you gonna lift your weights tomorrow if you go til failure today ?

you have to hit full body every day for the most muscle gains, not train each muscle group once a week lmfao, how the fuck do you wanna grow out your muscles if you train them once a week ? they need constant stimulus, you can't have constant stimulus if they are sore from failing like an idiot

maybe you're some braindead roid user, so i'll cut you a little slack, but you should realize that if you use steroids you can do a billion things wrong and still gain muscle, what i'm telling you here is how to gain muscle very easily even as a natural, and if you are on roids you will fucking have muscles show up so quick you won't even believe it

don't use steroids though, build naturally

Aight let me lay this out for you.

>doing 5x10 on bench
>aim to maintain 8-10 reps for every set
>first set do 225 and struggle to complete 10th rep
>second set do 225 again
>struggle to complete 8th rep
>to maintain my rep range, drop weight to 215
>do 215 for 9 reps, struggle on last few reps
>fourth set - do 215 again
>this time only can do 7 reps
>Drop down to 205 for last set
>Rep out until I can't lift anymore, which lands in my fucking rep range of 8-10 because this is how these workouts are supposed to work you fucking idiot

So are you telling me for every set, you would pick a weight where you just hit 10 reps for every set? That is fucking stupid, you're not even pushing yourself and are limiting hypertrophy and ergo progression. Fuckin retard.

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is this picture not known to be portraying a male (X,Y)?

>It is good advice if you're on roids.

Tard or troll, I can't tell these days

wrong on so many levels

i said intensity and volume matter

if you do 10 reps on an exercise, then you don't have high intensity, because the difficulty is too low if you can bust out 10 reps, your weight is too light, which means you will build less muscle

it's better to do fewer reps, and to never fail, on a huge weight, than to do shitloads of reps on smaller weights and also fail like a retard

do more sets for volume, not more reps, doing more reps means you have too light of a weight

for building aesthetic muscle mass I've heard lighter weights to failure is better. for being actually strong, no, of course not, lifting heavy is obviously better.

this picture of a girl (female) is older than half the posters on 4channel.org. The girl is probably in her late 30s irl by now.

"for building aesthetic muscle mass i've heard lighter weights to failure is better"

the only thing lighter weights to failure do, is basically it's a form of cardio, cardio lowers body fat, lowered body fat produce more aesthetic muscles because they are more visible

it has nothing to do with the fact that muscles grow the best when you lift heavy, lifting small is stupid and a waste of time, if you want to do cardio just do cardio, don't try to combine cardio and weightlifting, because the most effective way of building muscle is to lift as heaviest as you can, and you won't be able to "cardio" it up when the weight is heavy as fuck

the entire process of building muscle is just tearing your fibers over and over, which is what failure does better than simply heavy lifting.

These are the definitions of weak ass bitches who lift for less than a year
Don't listen. I'm a natty lifter of 5 years and made pretty decent gains doing failure sets. It's highly dependent on the exercises you do them in tough. They will do wonders for arms and shoulder, but will fuck up your shit when rowing, benching or squatting. It's generally a isolation exercise thing, son.

>what matters the most is intensity, the higher it is the better
>going to failure is the most retarded thing you can do as a natural

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intensity = heavy motherfucking weight, not a billion repetitions with pussy weight

>wants to build muscle
>thinks he has to COMPLETELY DESTROY his current muscles to create new muscle

jesus fucking christ, please tell me you are trolling

you cannot possibly buy into this shit, i refuse to believe it

wake up you fucking moron, do you think the highest level athletes train til failure ? do your research

the only reason you have good arms and shoulders are because those muscles recover way quicker than the others

going to failure is the reason why you have nowhere near the body that you would have if you didn't go til failure and trained 5 years

you would've looked way better if you just increased the weights you used, did less reps (because weight is heavier so you can't do as many obviously), and simply increased the SETS to have a big total volume, AND not train til failure so you can train EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY instead of having to recover like a moron

all those "recovery" days you had, they were a waste of your fucking time, i'm sorry to break it to you

you can recover fully within a single simple fucking night time sleep when you workout properly, without failure, heavy fucking weight, huge fucking number of sets, huge fucking total volume on the week, every single fucking day training

you dun goofed

So the best way to train is to do 500 one rep sets a day and do the same lifts/work the same muscles 7 days a week? Sounds like powershitter behavior

What is the actual answer here?
t. Guy recovering from arms on Monday

nobody knows, there is not enough science, too much broscience and sterons skewing the perception

Not that user but surely there's a happy median. The ideal footstrike for running isn't a long jump nor is it a fast feet drill. There's a good cadence in between.

>he thinks failure means destroying your muscles completely
Retard opinions discarded

4x12
then
5-10sec rest
as many reps as possible
5-10sec rest -20% weight
as many reps as possible
5-10sec rest -20% weight
as many reps as possible

if you still can do more than 3reps you need to up the weight

repeat every day with another bodypart

steroid approved, probably suicide for nattys

I agree with you but god that gif is womanly

Who is this queen?

>You need a full body workout everyday
Sweet jesus kid.... You need to actually let muscle groups rest between workouts and not just hammer everything every fucking day. This is why people run splits. It allows them to workout everyday, while still letting specific groups recover. If you're doing full body, do it like 3-4 days a week. Not 7.

More reps means more time under tension, which means more hypotrophy retard

So are drop sets a meme? Am I that guy at the gym? fuck

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are you a fucking retard?

post body

>every single trainer in the history of humanity has included rest days
>this one retard user figured out they're ALL wrong
Who do you believe Jow Forums

Failure is lower in the hierarchy than volume. Do as much volume as you can recover from and if going to failure gets you there then go to failure.

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Would 10x3 work or is that retarded?

1. Drop sets are god tier because they let you get in more work/volume
2. Don’t go to actual failure. Leave 1-2 reps in the tank, then drop down. You want to train your body to succeed at hard lifts, not to break down form and fail.

But Jeff says to go to failure every set

ONLY for facepulls you mong

The retarded user

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