/fraud/ - steroids general

Just heard about sarms on a different thread earlier and how most calisthenic guys are on it. Can someone enlight me on the subject, is that a new steroid?

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shut the fuck up retard

ramys chest and arms are great but everything else is shit tier why does everyone think he deserves the #1 spot again

instagram.com/bakharnabieva/

tfw she will never beat the shit out of you

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Because he’s like 50 lbs heavier than Phil Heath and Rhoden and make them look like twinks

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>young with active social life
>happy with natty lifts and health is my first priority
>"why would I ever hop on gear?"

fast forward 5 years
>late-twenties with little to no social life
>lucrative but boring career/life
>seriously considering gear and can't see any downsides to it
Is this how all of you ended up here too?

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>lucrative career

fuck off normie

I was a low status bitch boii when I was 16. Did a fuckton of research on what makes a primate alpha. Needless to say I was pinning tren from 17 throughout 19 and now just gotten back on again at 23.

Same except I was a beta nerdy WoW playing geekboi. Didn’t lose virginity until I was 21, started roiding at 23 and at 25 I’m “that guy” at work who has slept with half the females in our office.

Though I have paid a price, make managers are threatened and go out of their way to “put me in my place” now.

I feel you man. Can you imagine what their subconscious brains are going through seeing a what ought to be lower status male display subtile signs of dominance over them every day. Must suck not being on gear.

>Tfw she will never beat you into submission during a fight before molesting you

Why live

So you guys are roiding for girls and alpha/social status? I personally think that kind of thing is easier without roids.

In fact the exact reason I'm considering them now is because I don't care about those things in my life anymore. I just want to put a couple plates on the bar and see how big I get, I thought that was the normal motivation for roiding.
>not being poor makes you a normalfag
I was good at math and found a career that paid me for it. Now I get paid way too much to sit in a cubicle and work on models all day.

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Testosterone makes you a man even if you don't want to

Trust me

Does ephedrine count as fraud. Also EC stack experiences? How much weight did you lose over how long?

>ephedrine
Isn't that basically just super-caffeine? No more fraud than the people that take copious amounts of caffeine and amphetamines to lift.

Ephedrine makes me want to vomit and personally I think Clen is better than eca overall

Interesting. I'm kind of interested in what that aspect of roiding will feel like even though it's not the main goal.

>So you guys are roiding for girls and alpha/social status? I personally think that kind of thing is easier without roids.

by your own admittance you arent roiding and im going to assume you never have, so what is easier when is impossible for you, or atleast difficult given that you only have a third persons perspective, and not a first person perspective like the rest of us. I can one houndred percent assure you, that no matter how big and strong your natty self is, there can be a roider whos been at it for 6 months who is going to absolutely dominate you socially if that is what he wants.

Muscles dont make you good at socialising

If you think male hormones only affect muscle growth you need to go read more.

don't tell me you were one of those losers who force themselves to go to the gym and don't actually enjoy it but do it for the sole motivation of women and alpha / social status lmao

>high test levels don’t influence you mentally

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>reading comprehension
Try reading my post again and you'll realize that's the last reason I have for lifting

Yeah you'd be right to assume that I only have a 3rd person perspective. What makes me think it would be harder is the amount of emotional/mental ups/downs or instability that I've heard about from others accounts with gear. Excelling socially became so much easier for me when I became a lot more emotionally grounded in my early/mid twenties.
I'm also big enough to the point that the points I'd score with normalfags for being any bigger would be very minimal or none at all.

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"i don't care about those things in my life ANYMORE"

caring about thing != thing is my motivation for lifting.
I lost my virginity at 16 and never had any problems socially growing up. I started lifting at 18 after some serious health complications that arose from my unhealthy skelly lifestyle and never stopped. The two don't intersect.

Where has this notion come from that injecting test will somehow reverse autism/anxiety and turn nerds into slayers? At best all test will do is make you thirsty, more motivated. It's not going to up your game.

high test does reduce anxiety though this has been studied

Taking roids isnt going to grow you a personality and certainly not going improve your charisma unless you're somewhat charismatic anyway

>girl says she can’t hang today because she’s moving
>go to the beach alone
>post a picture of the coast on Snapchat
>girl messages me asking who I’m with
>”just some random tindr girl”
>she gets jealous
>is coming over tonight

TOO easy

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Could roids give me back my sex drive? I got tested at 470ng/dl test levels and Im 25, my prolactin was high so I was given cabergoline to bring it down in the hope it would restore my sex drive but after 5 months of it Im not much better off, I kust want to feel horny again, wondering if a low dose of test would give me back my libido

you still went to the beach alone like a fucking loser lmao

>470ng/dl test levels and Im 25
that's not too bad. I was at 164ng/dl and I was 23

your lack of libido doesn't seem to have something to do with hormones

she's coming over to laugh at you for going to the beach alone

You're under the assumption that charismatic is just something you are. Like some magical constant that just simply is. This gross assumption is very wrong. Your personality is linked to your body and brain chemistry, and altering something as profound as sex hormones does indeed alter your personality to a more risk willing, less anxious one instead. Denying this is so absurdly retarded I dont want to go down the rabbithole that is explaining it.

Its the same ridicolous notion that training with rois require you to put in less effort, but is entirely useless if you aren't training. This is also absurd and multiple studies have shown that supraphysiological doses of test gives you double the gains whilst sitting on your couch everyday watching netflix as someone who chose to train naturally.

she’ll never know

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but you'll know

And he'll forget. Unlike you, who has nothing better to think about that his misery.

Also you are now aware of where your tongue is in your mouth.

but I do and I'll tell her if you don't post your moms credit card information in the reply right now

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>Also you are now aware of where your tongue is in your mouth.
too far bro...

Its awful, its 33% lower than the average,

uh no sweaty 500 test is fairly average

that's not how reference ranges work

Just because you're less anxious wont make you charismatic, personality and charisma is more linked to successful speech patterns you've ingrained through your life, of course less anxiety is a good thing but if you haven't learned the above skills in your teens you're going to have to learn them now, its similar to how roids will make you more muscular but they aren't going to help your form on exercises, if you don't know what to say off roids you won't know what to say on roids your sub communication will be better but thats no good if you cant read anyone elses

Reference ranges are bullshit, test levels for a 25 to 30 yo man should be in the 600s, my endo says he wants to get me to 700, low sex drive was my main symptom but I had others including low motivation, poor sleep, inability to feel emotions and much more

Someone please drop an optimal first cycle dosage.

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pretty much this

First cycle is tomorrow.

If I'm running on a bulk, would it be better to keep running my current 6 day program or cut a few days back?

We're in agreement. Thank you for my first productive conversation on Jow Forums.

This

have you ever seen so many issues in 1 picture?

I see 0

look at her eyes

So I'm in a position where I could sleep with half of the good looking girls at my work, but I haven't made a move on any of them because of the potential drawbacks. Like I don't need people at work knowing about my personal and sex life, even if the information is positive.

Can you speak to more of the social drawbacks of fucking girls you work with? I also feel like shit could get awkward if it ends badly with a girl. thanks in advance bro

well played sir

also there is literally nothing wrong with going to the beach alone. you could just meet people there, whats wrong with that?

>Can you speak to more of the social drawbacks of fucking girls you work with?
Not him, but the first thing that comes to mind is issues with HR.

Second, if it turns out you're incredibly SHIT at sex, she might tell your other female coworkers, and now the entire office knows you have a tiny penis.

whats your height and weight?

400-600mg/wk test E. 400 for manlets, 600 for lanklets. 400 for 150lbs, 600 for 250lbs

I've never understood this, just fuck other girls. It's easy to see how this could cause problems, if you give a shit about your job and/or coworkers then don't, if not then fire away.

>wanting to socialize with people
what are you? a normalfag?

>tattooes
>fake contact lenses
>female on large doses of steroids

thats 3 right there and i havent even gotten into the satan worshipping

why would that even matter, trumper?

>>fake contact lenses
I think she tattooed her eyes. look at her insta

>trumper
how old are you?

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So I'll bring you up to understanding. After college, the hard part is where to meet quality girls. Basically, you have church, work, or some extracirricular activity group, like you play on a co-ed soccer team or something.

So in my case I don't go to church, nor do I want to. I also don't want to join a co-ed sports team. So that really leaves just work... unless I want to start going out to bars and clubs, but there's less of a guarantee that those girls are quality.

By getting with girls at my job, it ensures that they at least have a college degree (you need one for my company), and have their shit together enough to hold down a decent job. I know roughly how much money they make and that they have actual marketable skills in the industry. It gives them credibility.

You starting to get it? What would you do

>Second, if it turns out you're incredibly SHIT at sex, she might tell your other female coworkers, and now the entire office knows you have a tiny penis.

if you’re attractive girls will tell other girls you’re great at sex and if you can’t get hard or something they blame themselves

Gay man chiming in here, girls most DEFINITELY talk shit if you're bad at sex, good looks might soften their criticisms, but they will definitely still be there. If you can't get hard, whatever, but if you can't make her cum you'll be laughed at.

>Second, if it turns out you're incredibly SHIT at sex, she might tell your other female coworkers, and now the entire office knows you have a tiny penis.

Yes that is an invasion of privacy in my opinion, which I'm wary of because I value privacy. I'm not worried about penis size - I'm not Mr 9" cock, but I'm a little above average which has always been enough. The issue is I don't want this girl talking about our sex life with coworkers at all - even if I'm godly at sex. It's none of their business. I don't know if I could trust a work thot to keep her mouth shut.

Not really even worried about HR because we have people who have gotten married that both work here. I don't really think HR would be able to say anything about dating.

Yeah I mean people talk, can't really stop that - but talking at WORK is where I'm concerned. I'm cool with all my coworkers, but we don't talk about our sex lives and I don't think I would want to even if someone else did. I keep my coworkers at arm's-length when it comes to my personal life because I believe they should be separate.

I'm not saying it's a good thing or I approve of it when they throw shade, just that it happens.

It takes one semi-close relationship between two office girls to have one giggle and go off. You should never shit where you eat.

Just chat up girls during the day, simple

listen if you want to fuck lots of coworkers you want girls to talk. what you do is you fuck the hottest Stacy first, then all the average girls will hear about it and come running to prove they can keep up with Stacy.

word spreads fast, and the more they hear the more they want to see if it’s true.

tren

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You have to actually be low-bar, at least one orgasm for her good at sex for this to work.

the faggot is right, good looks only go so far, cumming 10 seconds in or running with limp dick will kill off your coworkers for good.

>So I'll bring you up to understanding
>*posts an essay about his boring sad life*
Holy shit nobody cares. Don't shit where you eat unless you don't give a fuck then take any risk you want but be ready to ruin or outright lose your job. It's really that simple you dense fuckwad.

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you’re making this difficult. if you want a relationship and to settle down, keep it in your pants. if you want to fuck then fuck. if you want to advance your career, don’t.

girls lie about this too though. I know for a fact I only made this one girl cum once but heard secondhand she told people I made her cum three times.

this is what I meant earlier when I said just be attractive and girls will do the rest for you.

>this is what I meant earlier when I said just be attractive and girls will do the rest for you.
that's what I meant by the "at least once" comment, if you can't get her to cum AT ALL it doesn't matter how good you look

that’s a pretty low bar though unless you literally don’t know what a clitoris is idk how you could fail to make her cum it’s sensitive as fuck doesn’t take much.

Got it - thanks bros. There's alot of qts at work but none of them are worth the job. Hope you boys have a good lift today.

>a thot for your trouble sir

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>that’s a pretty low bar though unless you literally don’t know what a clitoris is idk how you could fail to make her cum it’s sensitive as fuck doesn’t take much.
A lot of people don't know what or where the clitoris is, user.

Anyone else find that tren fills you out during a cut rather than make you flat like other people report?

the clit is basically a micropenis for women and you have to suck it and stimulate like you would a man's penis. i'm good at getting women off because i sucked a few cocks here and there

Tren + carbs = full

Tren + no carbs = flat

wish you faggots would stop attributing diet related phenomena to compounds

time to stop fucking women on anavar my man

in normal women the clit is like a little bump unless you’re talking about the clitoral hood which covers the clit

i don't eat carbs tho faggot

i'm good in the hood boi ask about me

yea the little bump is the micropenis

I know what it is, I'm saying a lot of other people don't. This is something the majority of sex ed courses in the US specifically don't go near, and when guys learn most of their "moves" from porn, they're not going after the clit either. This shit is surprisingly uncommon knowledge.

I think they mean the nerve endings are like a penis, not that it looks like a micro penis in itself.

tren filled out my patchy beard

dht related?

>that one guy is who permablasts and copes by telling himself he’s going to compete one day so it’s worth it

literally me haha

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>all these faggots here only giving their women the clitorial orgasms
vaginal orgasms (g-spot) are way more intense to them. you can combine them though.
remember: two in the pinky one in the stinky while you suck that clit with the might of a thousand vacuum cleaners.
also press down her stomach in the pelvis area (to stimulate the g-point more with your fingers)

good luck, you filthy faggots

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