Sugar isn't bad if I eat it in moderation r-right?

in b4 peat posters
but no, sugar isn't inherently bad when eaten with some common sense

CICO only matters for people who are completely disregarding muscle mass. There are plenty of people who this applies really well to, especially girls and fatasses.

For most lifters though, it's pretty bad, just how body weight becomes a problematic measurement pretty quickly. You want to be dieting in a way that makes you gain weight in muscle and not fat, and once we're at this point CICO is not that valuable.

Sugar bad

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Dummies promoting CICO completely disregard the hormonal effects of food. Sugar is always bad, only eat low glycemic index carbs.

GI is a pseudoscientific scam. Same people that conduct the studies saying GI is important also own the labs that do the testing and lobby governments for mandatory GI labeling. lmao

listen to me, cico fags are right about body composition, but you are missing what carbs especially white sugar trash does inside your body that you cant see or feel but you will pay the toll or eating like a fucking retard sooner or later

Regurgitated mommy blog science

>fructose replenishes liver glycogen faster than glucose alone
so does alcohol, dipshit. That doesnt mean its a good source of energy. It fills up liver glycogen because the liver is filtering the fructose out of the blood, while the rest of the body metabolized the glucose. Fructose in moderation is okay, but it actually degrades the liver more than alcohol per calorie.

white sugar is literally a antinutrient, the rapid metabolism of fast digesting glucose and fructose leaches the body of vitamins and messes with hormones, just use erythritol or stevia as a sweetener

look at that dopy nigger performing for his white masters

Sure it is bub.

I have a question that's probably dumb as hell and doesn't deserve it's own thread.

I'm never hungry outside of boredom and sugar cravings. I've gone 7 days without eating, and I only broke that fast because I got scared of doing damage to myself. How do I get the sense of real hunger back?

pilled

you can't
once you're dead inside it's for life

yes

but you're not gonna do that moderation thing... are you?

Its bad for you because you are an addict.
A beer is just a beer to anyone who isn't an alcoholic.

is that Styx in drag?

If by "moderation" you mean what you'd find in meat sauces and fruit, yeah.

If you mean a donut a day, no.

>important vitamins and minerals from the fruit

False and stupid pilled. Vegetables are superior to fruits in every way

THIS IS NOW A VEGETABLE THREAD POST YOUR FAVORITE VEGETABLES

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peasant swag coming through

I stopped eating for like several months now, and the thought of eating any dessert or drinking soda is repulsive. I'm sure if I would try them again I would like them, but the thought of putting something sugary in my mouth is enough to keep me away from it.

Why the fuck is brocoli and flowers above kale

Serious answer in a troll thread, but...

Protein is the only macro which is absolutely necessary. Your body does need some essential fatty acids (a few grams of omega-3s), but that's about it for fat. If you're overweight then your body likely already has all the fat you need.

Carbs on the other hand are not necessary at all. Some studies show that your brain works best when it gets at least 25% of its energy from glucose, but your body can easily meet that need by converting protein into glucose via gluconeogenesis.

As long as you are getting adequate protein and are following CICO, yes you can maintain or even lose weight by filling the rest of your calories up with sugar. However I think most people will find that lifestyle harder to stick to since eating sugar just makes you more hungry and lethargic.

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obviously replying to a troll post but w/e, time for you all to learn bio 101.

carbohydrates are one of the 4 essential building blocks of life (cells). You really think they're not needed? they're like everything else in life, eat them in moderation. DO NOT cut them out completely unless you like walking around without energy, causing cells to lose adhesion, lowering communication ability between cells, and reducing your ability to filter microbes. It's like nobody on this fucking board has taken a biology class and just spout nonsense all day believing in whatever some influencer has told them is the right way to do things

>carbs bad

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LOL no, completely wrong. Amino acids (protein) are the literal building blocks of cells.

Your body does need carbohydrates in a small baseline amount, yes. But the small amount your body needs can easily be created from protein. That's part of the liver's job.

Your body can get energy from any of the three macros. Protein (by converting into glucose), fat (by converting into ketone bodies), and carbohydrates (fast-acting glycogen, or by converting excess to fat and using it later). Obviously you get the fastest energy buzz from carbs, everyone knows this. But the question is "are carbs an absolutely necessary part of your dietary intake", and the answer is a resounding no.

I'm not even a ketofag, but if your body does get used to burning fat for energy, it can be almost as efficient as glycogen. There are plenty of cardio athletes who develop diabetes because of their high carb diets and corresponding insulin resistance. Studies show that when these athletes switch to low-carb, they experience a dip in performance for a while, but it eventually recovers back to where it was as the body adapts.

Am I saying cut out all carbs? No, you'll likely feel better with at least a little (just avoid sugar and processed shit). But you CAN cut out all carbs if you want, and still be perfectly fine indefinitely.

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If sugar creates insulin spikes then porn creates test spikes

If 3 billion Pajeets can't live off steaks then I shouldn't be allowed to either

imagine how much dirt is under her fingernails

Cringey mystery meat hag acting like she's young

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>carbs are the building blocks of life
imagine being this stupid

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If you're referring to the thermic effect of food, well, yes, 500kcal coming from protein will contribute more to TEF (i.e youre body will require more calories to process that food) but it'll still be at ballpark range.

On healthy individuals (i.e not diabetic, morbidly obese) insulin isn't a big deal. In fact, higher insulin level post workout would help muscle nutrition.

High GI foods are useful for intra training nutrition (running, cycling, etc), less useful for post training, and even less as pre training (if you can manipulate meal timing correctly).

Carbs aren't essential, just the preferred fuel source for muscles, brain and some other stuff, plus fiber is part of the same macro.

>not knowing about insulin
>not knowing about glycemic index
Cringe

The fuck is ashitaba?

What do i need to know about GI and insulin?
That high GI foods trigger more insulin spikes?
And insulin shuttles nutrients to cells, so for sedentary people eating way too much calories, mostly from carbs, as they don't have stimulus to growth muscle mass, neither have any glycogen deficit, the excess glucose will turn into fatty acids due to de novo lipogenesis and stored in adipose tissue as fat?

Yes, Reference is pic related follow this and eat accordingly. Of course if you're fat you do not need to eat, This only applies to people who are at a healthy weight and are not classified as obese or overweight.

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fuck off with your backwards pyramid jewlord

>SAD vs Vegan
every fucking time lmao
Randle cycle.

Also to add, Science has shown that you can maintain your weight easier if you workout and eat one big meal a day instead of 6 meals a day.This is assuming you workout moderately 1-3 times a week for an hour.

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No, Please try to keep weight off when you drink 4 sodas and 3 candy bars a day you will feel like shit.

Sugar is shit. Your body generates way more cell mediated ATP from ketosis then it does from ingested glycogen, by a factor of two. As well the human body at any given point is running close to 50% ketosis, off your fat reserves, when when perpetually consuming sugar rich foods.

The problem with sugar, carbohydrates is they cause insulin resistance and an intense inflammatory effect on the body. Because sugary foods are addictive, people tend to have the habit of perpetually consuming these foods, consistently elevating their blood sugar and thus insulin levels. This is how diabetics are created.

Last point, if you want to be shredded, sugar is absolutely banned. Unless you plan to take drugs and do a ton of cardio to mediate the effects of a shit diet.

>he doesn't understand that plant foods also have sugar, but as worse, a ton of carbohydrates

Seriously, do you not see the juice, yogurt, bananas, and starchy shit in there? Its absolute cancer if you want to be shredded.

>they also fuck with blood insulin in bay way

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FAlse. fructose increases hepatic VLDL secretion

>cholesterol bad

Well yeah of course it is, even Dr. Oz says so

The breakdown of fructose in the liver does more than lead to the buildup of fat. It also:

elevates triglycerides

increases harmful LDL (so-called bad cholesterol)

promotes the buildup of fat around organs (visceral fat)

increases blood pressure

makes tissues insulin-resistant, a precursor to diabetes

increases the production of free radicals, energetic compounds that can damage DNA and cells.

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This is patently false. You can consume an 80% carbohydrate diet and never come close to developing insulin resistance. The problem is when you start mixing large amounts of fat and carbohydrate together, specifically (but not limited to) omega 6 seed oils and refined carbohydrate.

>carbohydrates is they cause insulin resistance
wrong. obesity causes insulin resistance

based NAFLD poster

I believe these are the studies you are referencing?
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19381015
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19403641
The shit you're spewing is literally based on studies where people were fed an exorbitant amount of isolated fructose (3.5g fructose per kg body weight, up to 315 grams). Obviously this is without the benefit of the nutrients or fiber found in fruit.
There is no evidence whatsoever that moderate fruit consumption has anything BUT good health outcomes

fuk u

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