Will doing face pulls improve my face?

Yes and they are also homeless or janitors.
Oh wait nope
What could it be?

Not a argument

Oh I know some poor guys with hot gfs too

Pls have sex you need it badly.

COPE COUNTER :

cope
extreme fragile masculinity cope, post body tough guy
solid cope
ULTRA cope, face is a game changer
medium cope

And they are poor and really ugly at the same time?
Or is it more like:
The guys who are poor but attractive get pussy, and the guys who are ugly but have good money get also pussy.
Which makes sense considering the double mating strategy of women, beta provider cuck vs Chad the semen dispenser.

He is right you know

Incel counter:
Incel
Turbo incel
Incelus maximus
Solid incel

Ever been in any slav country? Literally every guy is like 2-4/10 and has a hot gf.

0 arguments, stay mad lol

Never improve

Not true and yes i have been there.
The guys face maybe not super model tier, but they are very masculine looking.
And you have to also consider that those are poor countries so women will focus more on getting a beta provider cuck.

Lifting could actually make your face more attractive. First of all, it increases testosterone, also it's well-known that faces look more attractive on a thicker neck and most importantly, if you lower your bf%, your face usually becomes much more aesthetic.
So yes, lifting with a good diet will improve your face.

I have a 19 year old friend, he's fat and poor, but he has a really hot gf because he's super funny and charismatic. Of course if you have absolutely no redeeming qualities, it will be hard for you to attract women, but there will always be a woman who will find you attractive. I know a literal 30 yo midget living with his mom who's about to get married.
Anything is possible - spit out the black pill and live your life.

The ones on the left looks like respectable men who are getting mad milf pussy and gonna make it in life.
The ones on the right looks like fuckboys who date underage girls.
Teenagers are so fucking retarded.

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I have sex you dont. Hows that for argument incel?

You guys literally can't debunk the links that I just posted. It's all just name calling. Face it, it really is a hard pill to swallow

Yeah man, i'd rather be fat and ungly than jacked and ugly. Absolutely retarded argument

>caring about women
never gonna make it

you don't have to lift, but if you ever wanna have sex, stop putting women on a pedestal

Read this

Who has said that you have to stop lifting, taking care of yourself or improving?
Incel lookism is retarded

guys i dont think i wanna hang out here any more

That's because he's attractive. This whole nonsense about "personality" or "make her laugh bro" is just bullshit.

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Attractiveness certainly matters, but not to the extremes that you think. The people deemed "undateable" are rare, below average ugly.

>I have a 19 year old friend, he's fat and poor
Being fat doesn't necessarily make you ugly.
If you are tall and have a good face you can still be attractive to women.
>but i know some balding manlet with a defomed face who is homeless and he gets women
And this is the usual anecdotal evidence that is ridiculus to say the least.
Personality has no impact, there are no studies that indicate that personality could attract women, on the other hand there are thousands of studies on the physical aspects that women prefer and how those influence their perception of a mans "personality".
Women find attractive men funny and confident, not the other way around.

and?
if you're a handsome motherfucker that works for you, great. but if you're not, you can still score hot girls, and it's gonna be even easier to make them actually stay with you, because to get them you need to ACHIEVE something. being strong, making good money, being responsible and able to provide for those who are near is when you can say you achieved something. when you achieved those things, do you really think it's gonna be hard to get some pussy?
if you're handsome by birth and you're slaying chicks left and right, then you invest less into relationships, because you'll probably have less skills that the "hard-mode" guy has. and even if you're equal by skills then congratz - you're the top 1%. but women do not want 1%. some do, but they will settle for one of the 99% crowd eventually. women want a good fucking and a responsible man, even if they don't understand that themselves (and they totally don't).

>wahh why bother trying if I have an ugly face
Thinking in such plain absolutes is such a retarded way of living. So many low test fags on Jow Forums
But that's a good thing though, less competition for me. Keep it up lookism autists.

This kills Jow Forums

>but women do not want 1%. some do, but they will settle for one of the 99% crowd eventually

Cope.

>Bottom 80% of men compete for the bottom 22% of women, top 78% of women compete for the top 20% of men
medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a

You don't get the chance even just to talk with them if you are not attractive.
There is nothing you can do, besides becoming a millionare or surgery.

Based r9k bro seriously we should use these redpills to our benefit instead of getting buttmad

i am vomit

>tinder
since when tinder is connected to stable long-term relationships? it's an app to hookup. no real investment.
in real life scenarios, when you're actually trying to build a family (what else would you want a woman for), those numbers you showed mean nothing. even if you don't want kids, just a stable partner, women that you get just by being attractive aren't worth your time and you will want to dispose of them eventually.
but then again, i hope you're not here to troll cause i'm being serious. if you wanna trigger some poor women-seeking fitizens, then just say so

But the way your face looks can change if you lift and or lose body fat.

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>since when tinder is connected to stable long-term relationships? it's an app to hookup
But if you can't get sex, how the fuck are you supposed to get relationships?
Do you even think?

Let me guess
>Elliot Rodger did nothing wrong, all women are whores who only workout for attantion, et cetera.

You missed the anons argumeny completely as he doesn't disagree with you. Also Jow Forums is 2 blocks down and so is Jow Forums, this is 4channel lad.

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cool story. so if you're not the 1% of attractiveness, some barrier blocks you from approaching a hot girl and starting a conversation with her?
remember, that hot girls are not 1% of all women, because women actually need to look pretty to find a better partner. naturally they're inclined to look after themselves, so it's gonna be a much higher percentage

Women who know their worth and have options will be on Tinder, and obviously will have high standards.
Don't underestimate the amount of women with low self esteem who think they are too ugly for tinder and will date any man who shows them interest irl

It's over

youtube.com/watch?v=coJjo3NmAEI

Here's a blackpill for ya:
The whole incel problem is because of their unreasonable high standards:
>"Waaah hot girl (Stacy) doesn't like she only goes for handsome men (Chads) it's over, it's all about face"

And? Do you think she owes you sex? lmao

People are looking for mates who are on their league:
Attractive Men---> Attractive Women etc

>businessinsider.com/science-backed-ways-men-can-attract-women-2017-3

>www-maxim-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.maxim.com/.amp/maxim-man/how-to-be-a-more-attractive-man-2018-8?usqp=mq331AQCKAE=&_js_v=0.1

>inb4 c-cope!

sex is a catalyst, not a primer. if your primer is sex, then your relationship will eventually collapse, unless you get lucky and the girl is actually solid.
tinder is a low-effort hookup. it's not reliable (you can lie), girls go there SPECIFICALLY to get sex. it's so much different from the real world. women can go to clubs/bars to get sex but they won't understand it themselves, so when you hookup "naturally", at some real social space, and deliver her the D, she feels much DIFFERENT than after hooking up @ tinder. woman's mind is so crooked little differences like that matter.

This isn't PUA retard, most of these incels are looking for companionship, sex.

Not the guy you are responding to, but do you honestly define a relationship as a long term fucking partner? Don't be so sure that someone who is not immediately ready to fuck will never be willing. Also keep in mind that women who may immediately want to fuck you may have no interest in a relationship with you. There is this thought amongst of women between a guy worth screwing vs one worth marrying, much like most guys would nut inside some tinder thot, but very few would marry them.

I'm not even saying "RESPECT WAHMEN", just to realize that you shouldn't define your relationships by how many times you are fucking

>businessinsider
>science
lol

>unreasonable high standards
I can't even get matches with literal landwhales, and i'm average looking guy at 16% bf.

>Attractive Men---> Attractive Women
Oh god if only this was true, disgusting women get pumped and dumped by attractive men all the time. Men have such low standards that even genetically mutated female monsters get laid, virgin women don't even exist.

Why is everyone responding to this guy?

>People are looking for mates who are on their league
that's correct, but for men leagues are much more flexible than for women. man can substitute his lack of higher tier attractiveness by other social skills and abilities. otherwise you wouldn't see ugly millionaires banging models.

Hey faggot dont talk shit about scooby

i never really understood these troll threads. just look at the blokes on the left and imagine them if they DIDN'T life and just got fat and/or stayed scrawny. what a stupid meme attempt and failt

No woman has ever shown any kind of interest in me what so ever, dating apps or real life.

And where the fuck do i find them?
>will date any man who shows them interest irl
When i "show interest" they feel disgust towards me, and i'm not even that ugly. The standards are going up each day.

t. hideous cunt coping

I dunno. Look into mouth breathing and how it impacts facial structure. Make sure that you’re mainly breathing through your nose and your face will look better over time

Women give have a disgusted expression when they see me. 16% body fat and i can do 1/2 (don't squat or deadlift), so no not the classical obese lazy inkel.
When in the past i tried starting conversations with girls, even below average looking women would find an excuse to leave.
Sorry Chad, life doesn't work the same way for me as it does for you.

And you don't have the muscles OR the face, so what's your point?

Have sex, incel.

>No woman has ever shown any kind of interest in me what so ever, dating apps or real life.
it's obvious that you're doing something wrong here. do not forget, it's always the man's mistake. it may sound unfair, but that's how the life works. some bleed every month, some get to bear most of the responsibilities.
take it this way: women operate on emotions. opposites attract. if you push for emotions as a male, you will only make yourself look like a lesser male. you need to become a better man, but if you will constantly query yourself whether or not are you "making it", you won't get far, because you'll rely on your feelings. you need real confirmation for how successful you are. this means making more money, becoming stronger, becoming more skilled at your job, etc. if you have solid confirmation on your well-doings, you become more confident. more confidence = more logic. more logic = less emotions. less emotions = more attractiveness points towards women.
are you heavily disfigured? i mean, are you the bottom 1% of all males? if so, then you may have some sort of excuse. otherwise you probably too self-conscious. i'm sure you're a great guy and not as ugly as you say. it's just that girls don't fuck great guys, they fuck men. being a male means you already have a chance at making it, you just need to focus on improving yourself first. how can a girl like you if you don't like you yourself?

y..ou too

>Lui marco
God that's funny

Want to know what's telling?

There isn't a single straight guy on that picture.
Not one.

Lol scooby is gay you motherfucker

What a pathetic comment.
I’m an awkward guy with a shitty jawline. I have a gf.
My two best friends are ugly manlets. Both have gfs.
Stop believing in the excuses that are posted here.

those excuses have some ground, but for some reason, people apply them to the wrong scenarios. lookism is present if you play the looks game, simple as that. if you play the relationship game, just bring something worthy to the table, and there will be a woman for ya.

Jesus Christ, this is the most Jow Forums post I've ever seen

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>Durr I want a heart attack at the age of 30 because women don't like fit men

It's no secret Jow Forums makes constant slide threads
The real question is why mods let them happen

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>personality doesn't matter
>has a terrible personality

The most important thing is to not be autistic. Having money can help a lot as well. Have a little bit of everything and you’re set.
The problem is that most people here have shitty social lives, which makes them prone to believing anything posted here, especially if it makes them a victim. It ends with a vicious cycle of “I can’t get a gf because I’m pathetic and I’m pathetic because I can’t get a gf”.

>Why do you think that there are so many ugly guys with hot girlfriends?
But that's not true?

The numbers are exactly the same on "serious" websites.
Also Tinder isn't "for hookups only", hasn't been for a while. It's only a marketing image now.

vast majority of tinder use by women is to get chad cock.

Just like real life.

websites numbers mean nothing in real world scenarios, it's not only about the tinder, it's just the most popular platform and thus it was discussed.
it's hard to gauge what women like when they themselves don't know what they want. they have a certain vector of thoughts towards their uncertain goal, but it only starts to become more apparent once a male has become a part of her life. and to become one, you need to be a male. a good male that knows what's he's worth.