/fast/ #455 - There are some things money can't buy edition

Doing my 2nd water fast ever for I guess detox before I begin a diet. The last time I did this I managed 7 days but I knocked out when I took a hot shower one morning so I stopped. Yeah I didn't do it properly since it was on a whim and I was testing the waters.

I'm 2 days into this one and i'll be trying to follow what you guys have here.

Does drinking green tea break a fast?

What about protien shake (2 scoops) + water after a workout around 4:30-5:00 is that a bad idea if I am normally eating only between 9AM-11AM ?

Green tea will make you feel nauseous on empty stomach

>come down with the nigger flu (it's winter down under)
>mum says I gotta eat or else she's shipping me off to Bel-Air
>was actually getting better but relent because I don't wanna lose any good yob points
>bolt down a truck load of her soul food and go to bed
>wake up with a yuge inflammatory response
>my body just couldn't recover from daily routine of bogan yoga
>nigger flu still busting my goolies

This is what happens when you don't listen to Cole (PBUH).

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That's black tea

Haven't tried green tea during a fast, but I drink up to 1 liter of unsweetened yerba mate per day and haven't had any tummy issues.

Wrong. I drink 500 ml of green tea every morning when I wake up before I shower to maximize EGCG uptake on an empty stomach

You can probably lift at normal intensity

Meant to say normal program but less intensity

How do you guys normally break your dry fasts with snake juice? do I drink a fuck ton or just start sipping through out the day?

I eat once every four days now and noticed when I do eat my stomach actually gets full of gas now, and I feel bloated.
When I ate nonstop this feeling never happened.
Is this what girls feel like? They can only eat small servings then feel full after.

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always sip that shit, bro

why is this form of animal abuse so cute bros

Congrats, you killed your kidneys

It’s not - fills me with rage when I see people that have obese dogs. Fucking pieces of shit

It's not abuse, they are malamutes they are always that fat.
It's not fat, it's the malamute winter coat. I used to have one.

Currently at hour 16 of a 36 hour dry fast. Currently at 78.800kg.

How much do you think I'll weight at the end of this fast?

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research on my now monthly fast is wrapping up but I still cant find a clear answer, for autophagy is there much to be gained between a 36-48 hour fast? I hear it becomes hugely diminishing in terms of return

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30 Min window is somewhat of a myth it's more like 24 hour window if I'm remembering right could be 12 either a fuck load of time

When fasting, why do seem to be fully awake even though I had 6-7 hours of sleep? Also, feels like I'm in autopilot, no emotions

Snake juice you fuck you're pissing out all you're electrolytees for fucks sake

What are you breaking your fast with, what is your feeding window, what do you usually eat after the first meal

Is 4 days fasting without snake juice a good idea?

Ive lost 9kg (20lbs) doing a 4 on 4 off fast cycle but the taste of saltwater literally makes me want to kill myself. I'll be fasting for 4 days and eating for 4 days so is the salt water a requirement or am i just fucking myself

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I'm at hour 50 now, feeling a bit exhausted. I ate a huge amount of carbs before the fast, like 2 days worth of it. Am I feeling weak because I'm only now starting to get into ketosis?

/summerbulk/ reporting in with more progress. Took new measurements, seeing objective gains in all areas at the same bodyfat% I began at over a month ago. Lean gains are real, and a fasting-focused lifestyle makes it not only possible, but actually pretty easy. I'm sitting at about 10% now, the next experiment is dipping down to the 8% range and seeing how sustainable that is. Let me know if y'all bulkers have any questions, but the tl;dr is:
>20:4 IF
>200-300kcal surplus
>low carb (about 100g or so)
>do a 48-72 hour fast when you hit a personal fatness threshold (12% for example)
>reduce daily surplus if you hit your fatness threshold more often than every 3 weeks

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no more money for food
perfect

>detox
Is that even a real thing or just momscience bullshit?

4 days is probably too long to go without the electrolytes your body needs to function. You will feel like shit and you will not be nourishing yourself properly. Stop being a pussy and drink your salt water

I give up bros, some of us won't make it.

EGCG fucks your thyroid up too, fuck it. Take caffeine instead.

Don't give up you fucking fat worthless piece of shit. You can actually make a change QUICKLY if you can keep food out of your mouth for two fucking seconds.

If you can't do long-term fasting, DO 48S WITH A RE-FEED THAT IS BELOW 1000 CALORIES. Just don't pig the fuck out!

If you aren't able to do shorter fasts, then you should try doing something longer. It sounds counter-intuitive, but maybe you need to see some actual results to whip your baby ass into shape.

Just fucking do whatever you have to do for two fucking days to not eat. It isn't hard.

I'm planning on starting my cleanbulk after getting shredded by the end of the July and it's kinda similar to yours. My plan:

>20:4
>500Kcal surplus
>Vertical diet (meat, rice and everything nice)
>one 4 day fast every month
>train 2 day split 5 days a week.

Aiming for 500Kcal daily surplus should be more than enough to achieve maximum hypertrophy. My daily calorie expenditure is roughly 2800-3200 daily so that adds up to roughly 12000 kcal deficit which balances out the 13000Kcal surplus from the diet. 4 fasting days per month should also provide me with all the upsides associated with longevity and health.

>If you aren't able to do shorter fasts, then you should try doing something longer.

This is true. I burned myself up with the EOD fasting using 1500Kcal keto refeeds. Now on my 5th day of water fast and shit is so much easier.

I just ate a teaspoon of salt and it actually tasted good. Does this mean I need more salt? 50+ hours on my current fast.

Yeah man, it's been a game changer for me, this fasting minmaxing shit is wizardry

I will say that a lower carbohydrate intake lets me get in and out of ketosis quicker, and that's probably how I've been able to hit my fat loss goals in 48 hours or less in conjunction with fasted cardio, but if you're doing a four day fast it won't matter. Does eating higher carb not make you hungrier during your daily intermittent fast? Sure does for me.

Yeah used to play around with lowering carbs and doing keto before fasts, but now having gone into this fast cold turkey from eating carbs I'm all goody.

I've been doing IF or variations of fasting for 7 years now so I guess I'm pretty adapted to not eating during the day. I do remember getting random hungerspikes during the day tho but nothing worth mentioning otherwise. I used to workout at 4PM and eat from 6PM to 10PM so it might be that my inner rhythm had adjusted enough. I also ate most of my calories from starchy brown spaghetti and minced meat which probably played some role in this, being that I would go to bed stuffed.

>took a melatonin pill last night at 1am in order to get some sleep
>pill fell from my hand into my nightstand drawer so had to dig it from there
>stay up until fucking 9AM
>I just took melatonin as I'm going to sleep
>the pill is completely different in size and taste
>realize I took 100mg caffeine yesterday at 1AM after being 42 days on zero caffeine
>tfw self sabotaging my fast

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA FUCK YOU FAGETS IM GOING ON A 7 DAY SNAKE JUICE FAST SEE YOU IN 6 LBS NEGROES; CONTINUE WITH YOUR PUSSY ASS "16 HOURS FASTS"

CHECK`EM

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checked and kek‘d, godspeed user

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How do chest meals work when fasting? Do you follow your eating window and just eat whatever? Is the window thrown out?

Just make sure you don't become a yoyo fag, a week fast doesn't make you hardcore, long term results do.

Potassium supplement is overrated, you dont need that shit unless you go for extremely long fasts and you definitely dont need it in high amounts
your body doesnt piss out potassium like it does sodium when you fast, it stays very stable

dont reply to me if you're a cole worshipper

checked go for it

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>extremely long fast

10+ days or what?

kidney shot NOW

I would start worrying

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are you saying green tea is bad?!?!?

chill out faggot, you're not magically storing fat all of a sudden because you took caffeine lmao

Look up fasted leptin, your body is finally "noticing" all your extra calories

Cheat. Not chest.

I’m doing a water fast today for the first time, just ate two altoids, did I just waste my whole day?

Even a little calories will cancel ketosis and autophagy so yeah. But you're still doing CICO so there's that

Rippen?

Unfortunate, what’s CICO

Dont you dare to swallow your spit
all those proteins in there are gonna kick you right out of autophagy

>eating sugar candy on a fast
stop it retard, at least eat a piece of bacon or something

Carbon In Carbohydrates Out. It's what your body does when you fast for a while and only have small snacks in between.

If you dry fast are you still keeping the carbsout bit going? I understand that your carbon from fat cells gets hydrated into carbs, but does it come from the water already in your body in that case?

You literally breathe in water in gas-form, that's where a lot of the hydration comes from. Of course it's best to keep hydrated yourself though.

It literally doesn't make a difference whether you drink water or not. Take a biology class, learn about the crebs cycle. The OH produced in the mitochondria while creating the energy your body needs to function is then used to hydrate the carbon (now free radicals technically) in the bloodstream. You do this all the time whether you're drinking or not, that's why you have a Basal Metabolic Rate.

Either way I'm keeping the fast going with altoids then right? I suppose I could try going to a dry fast too to give it a kick

QUICK QUESTION CAN I JERK OFF ON A DRY FAST

Any of you guys who do OMAD, do you eat your meal and then also drink a protein shake? Like if I wanted my only meal to be at lunch time, could I do that and also drink a protein shake so I could workout in the evening and not have to break my fast by drinking a protein shake right after?

try it, see what happens

is it bad though

Just don't eat it afterwards and you'll be fine. I made that mistake the other day just reflexively.

So it seems that this prolonged fasting does not suite me well, or it suits me too well: This is now my third night not getting any sleep. The problems started on the 4th night. I'm kinda inclined to just start doing 72 hour fasts with 1000kcal refeeds, just as cole promoted in his new video. This shit pisses me off, because I've had zero trouble with anything else and barely feel any hunger and my energy is through the roof. But I think that not being able to sleep is a bigger detriment to my fatloss than fasting for shorter periods of time.

I think that the most optimal 1000kcal refeed would be eggs, beef and salmon with carrot, spinach, red pepper and kiwi. This way I would get most of the nutrients that I need.

a protein shake is just food nigga just eat it in the meal, you can probably just adjust whatever you're eating and not eat the shake unless you're bulking hard and just want liquid calories

after breaking a fast, I noticed I didn't get the usual diarrhea I have. I ate again on day 2. Day 3 I began fasting but had the largest stomach pains I've ever experienced. I live alone but I was wondering if I should get a neighbor or an uber to take me to urgent care. I sat on the toilet for about an hour and a half, with waves of pain coming, wondering if some internal organ of mine had just ruptured or if I was going to die. Finally, I let out a tough, constipated shit. After that came out, huge amounts of diarrhea came out behind it. I was literally 'backed up' and my body tried to flush out my colon but couldn't, giving me extreme pain. Would not recommend. Eat your fiber, kids.

I miss my erection

So what are you bros spending your $200 a month food budget on now that you're eating maybe five-ten meals a month?
personally I only eat the free catering we get at work twice a week, I bring the healthier stuff home in tin foil and eat it all at once on Sunday morning or something

I bought a robot vacuum, shits pretty sweet

I did this last night and I felt like a different person this morning

left it the bank, consumerist

just started fasting a week ago, doing usually 16-18 hours (depends on how work goes) is there anything else I need to be doing? I don't feel as great as people claim (mental focus, clearer skin etc) I just feel normal, i think I've lost a bit of weight (water weight or fat idk) because I've been eating at a deficit but at the same time I cheated on the weekend. Is there anything else I need to be doing, I know I shouldn't cheat my diet on the weekend, but should I add keto or something?

user, have you replenished salts yet? Im worried

Pretty real. Noramlly your body has to do normal processes AND digest and process toxins from food.
If there is no food, then the remaining toxins can be focused on by the body. Which is why if you fast a week and have a shit, it'll usually not be very nice.

You dont eat when you fast. Cheat meals are you feeding your addiction to food, usually by eating carbs, breaking ketosis.
If you really must 'cheat' just do a 500kcal refeed on meat and veg. Then restart your damn fast

You're intermittent fasting, not fasting. Fasting is drinking snake juice and not eating for a week or 48 hours then eating a tiny meal and repeating.
Usually by the third day of not eating you'll feel like you have too much time and clear.

doing omad for the past few days at about 900 cal. I want to transition to snake juice fasting, and I was wondering how strenuously I should be exercising. weak compounds or what

Can I get some advice on a fasting schedule?
I box on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays at 0600. On those same days, I lift weights after work at 1930. I need to drop a good 35 lbs at the very least. I have gone 6 days, but I have never tried to box while fasted more than 24 hours.

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Anybody got anything on gut bacteria and fasting?

I noticed that after doing a 48 hour fast my sugar cravings were way down and I suspect that certain types of gut bacteria which were contributing to my sugar cravings may have had a die off.

Don't be a pussy. Make extra snake juice if you need to.

No problem with that, just trying to decide on refeed times if I'm aiming for 48-72 hour fasts throughout the week.

I still cant find the answers I want:

Is there much to be gained going from a 36 hour fast to a 48 hour fast in terms of autophagy?

Also, is there a chance of sorbitol filled toothpaste ruining my "pure water fast"? I mean if im gonna go all out and drop coffee then brushing my teeth will happily go too

Probably similar to just keto in general, once you go without sugar/fake sugar you dont really want sugar,

Ask anyone doing keto properly, its the bread and pasta you crave, ive never found myself wanting sugar once I stop having it, the idea of cola is sickening to me now

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I'm pretty sure the autophagy just increases the longer you go but I don't have any sources on my hand. You propably find answers using google scholar.

Nah using toothpaste isn't enough to break your fast, dont be sillywilly.

>last saturday, after taking breakfast at 8am decide to not eat anymore until next morning to test it out
>in the afternoon feel really energetic
>come evening I'm lightheaded and with back pains, have dinner in fear I fuck myself up
Was I memed?

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Anyone have any mandatory supplements they should be taking while fasting?

Just purchased electrodes, egec, salt, and bcaa capsules.

im on day 3 of my 5 day fast.
In 5 hours I'm going to hit the midpoint of my fast.

Am I gonna make it?

Brush your teeth. When you're fasting you're doing little to no damage to them so your dental routine should be helping repair them without interference.

ill second with you for dubs

No bully, does swallowing semen break a fast?

HOW DO I STOP MY MOUTH FROM SMELLING LIKE A FISH MARKET?

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Yeah the salt is way more important.

You can always chew gum user you're really not consuming that much. Make sure you don't get addicted to the sugar though