Im gonna sue him so bad. I almost had to go on dielsyis due to him pushing dry fasting (no water) for 5 days straight...

Lol u should jump off a cliff, it cures cancer, makes you live 200 years and and makes you rich.

Are you gonna sue me now?

Something tells me you can't afford a lawyer. It's a shame the fast didn't kill you. The world would be a better place with less people who have your personality.

>Hurr not eating will get me fit
Yeah ok. Fuck fasting and fuck all the retards who do it because they're too lazy to drag their asses to the gym and lift hard.

JUST EAT LESS

HOLY SHIT

JUST EAT LESS

IF YOU NORMALLY EAT 3000 CALORIES A DAY AND YOU HATE HOW YOU LOOK EAT 2000 UNTIL YOU LIKE THE WAY YOU LOOK

Link a video where he tells his viewers that they should dry fast

guess what: eating less by incorporating 36, 60, 84 hour fasts is easier than daily calorie restriction. it also helps reset leptin and insulin resistance.

Yeah, thought so. If the answer isn't a resounding "Yes" to my question, you're got no case. I can't sue someone because they say the moon is made out of cheese or because they tell me to use coffee grounds to make my dick bigger.

Simply put, you can't think for yourself.

he doesn't give a shit about money

hes so fucked once hes hauled into court, this little midget, with all his anti feminist rants the judge will give him a max sentence

you're still shitposting about Cole?
pathetic.

Your larp is bad and annoying. Please delete your thread, faggot.

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"be super careful with this shit, and talk to your doctor first before dry-fasting, you could fucking die" - Cole on any dry fasting video

"you could fucking die"

why even recommend it then?

>being this much of a brain-dead goy

I heard that you can fly if you jump off a cliff first. you should try it out sometime.

Dry fasting causes even more autophagy faster, and causes the body to metabolize fat just to produce water.

It's a fast way for fat-adapted people with experience fasting to lose water weight and get other benefits. Anything more than a day is probably excessive, but part of fasting is a stress test game for your cells as much as lifting heavy weights is a stress test game for your muscles.

HEY FATTY.

>Losing weight on 2000 calories
Literally impossible you need at least 1300 or lower

>dry fasting (no water)

water weight > fat

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YOU ARE FAT

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Well thats a fucking lie

STOP FUCKING EATING.

or it "could" fucking KILL YOU

why even bother? only retards need to dry/water fast because they can't control themselves, and then just go right back to binging and yoyoing anyway. What's the point? yeah it works. P90x works too. But nobody wants to do that shit their whole lives.

Well I'm sorry you were that blessed cunt who could shovel 3 pizzas in his face and stay skinny but some of us have slower metabolisms and need to cut more calories before we'll actually lose weight

Dry fasting is some serious shit for weight loss, atophogy (allowing your dominant cells to survive and killing the weak ones), and ridding your body of sickness (because your body eats them lol). Shits insane, but shit works.

However, your blood sugar goes to near zero. If you are prone to type to diabetes, like I am, you really need to be aware of how your body reacts to low sugar. Most of the time, if it is too low and I'm dry fasting, I'll feel like I'm about to faint. That's where I chew on some pineapple or something very very low in sugar just to get my body back up and running.

It's serious shit and I think he pushes it a bit too hard, but it fucking does wonders for every aspect of your body. don't be a little bitch and sue, just be aware and start with if and work your way there.

FUCKING FATTIES

cutting on 1300 will give you metabolic damage, this is delusional fat logic

There's no such thing as metabolic damage, I average 800 calories a day and I'm perfectly healthy

>go back to binging
That's more likely to happen on a diet. It's harder to overeat if you fast for 48-72 hours because you are full before you can even make up the lost calories.

>only retards need to fast
It's the oldest way to lose weight and the most effective. The real retards are the people counting calories day in and day out, plateauing from slowing their metabolism to a crawl, and then dying of diabetes because they never become fat adapted or allow their insulin levels to be low for more than 8 hours.

Do you think your body stops needing energy if you stop eating? Don’t get nutritional advice from your mom.

kekkin

Cope hard. You can lift hard and fast brainlet.

Cole specifically said you should only dryfast if you have cancer because it can mess with your kidneys.

>There's no such thing as metabolic damage
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3673773/
>n long-term studies of weight-reduced children and adults, 80%-90% return to their previous weight percentiles 8, while studies of those successful at sustained weight loss indicate that the maintenance of a reduced degree of body fatness will probably require a lifetime of meticulous attention to energy intake and expenditure
>Maintenance of a 10% or greater reduction in body weight in lean or obese individuals is accompanied by an approximate 20%-25% decline in 24-hour energy expenditure. This decrease in weight maintenance calories is 10–15% below what is predicted solely on the basis of alterations in fat and lean mass 11, 12. Thus, a formerly obese individual will require ~300–400 fewer calories per day to maintain the same body weight and physical activity level as a never-obese individual of the same body weight and composition. Studies of individuals successful at sustaining weight loss indicate that reduced weight maintenance requires long-term lifestyle alterations

Or you could just fucking STOP EATING.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10837292
>Resting energy expenditure increases in early starvation, accompanied by an increase in plasma norepinephrine

Fasting increases thermogenic tissue like brown fat, it causes your cells to become fat adapted the fastest way possible, and by breaking your fast periodically you preserve your metabolic rate while still losing weight.

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People who bing after fasts would bing after every single other weight loss method. Fasting is the best method to transition to a healthy nutrition plan because if you can go for a week without food you certainly can go for the last few hours of the day when you crave food. For me it reset my eating habits and I know enjoy the taste of potatoes and onions even though I couldn't stand them for most of my life. I also lost a good amount of weight over multiple fasts and there was no yoyo happening in my case. Most other methods require you to waste so much money and suffer for months while fasting literally saves you money and no fucker makes millions of telling you how to lose weight.

>Eating less calories bad
>Eating no calories at all good

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youtube.com/watch?v=APZCfmgzoS0
youtube.com/watch?v=dFT2IKmwyfg

That's the fucking truth you ingrate.
>don't eat for a day
>lose half a pound of fat
>eat 1500 instead of 2000 calories per day
>takes you 4 fucking days to do the same
>your body now has 4 days to adapt to 1500 per day instead of having to swing between 2000 and 0
Why the fuck do you think you have to increase the amount of weight you lift to get stronger? Because your body adapts to the stress. If you let your body adapt to the stress of low calorie intake, you are fucking yourself because it will STAY adapted to low calorie intake. Have fun eating lettuce and beans the rest of your life, I'm gonna fucking eat a huge ass steak on Friday after I finish this 72 hour fast.

>muh pseudoscience
Kill yourself

The videos are backed up with studies but go ahead and shill your 6MAD.

This is nonsense and you will literally never lose fat like this

No you can't, retard. You're breaking down muscle and giving it nothing to repair itself. Why are you people so fucking dumb?

>you will literally never lose fat by not eating

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Whereas you, you evidently have a GOLDEN personality

>10,000 BC: 1M3D
>1970s: 3MAD
>2000s:6MAD
By 2020 they'll be saying the way to lose weight is to never stop eating.

... you increase the weight incredibly slowly in order to get stronger in any sustainable way.

the “formerly obese” study showing people with lower BMR compared to people who were never obese at the same bw is common knowledge in the fitness industry and doesn’t apply to the vast majority of people. For the average person, you’re talking a difference of 50 calories at the most after weight loss, and the metabolism recovers over time when combined with healthy diet and physical activity.

I know you like fasting, but you just don’t know as much as you think you do

>Just keep eating. The more you eat the faster you will lose weight :^)

>you increase the weight incredibly slowly to get stronger
That's the POINT. To adapt to things, it needs to be slow and gradual. I do not want my body to become adapted to less calories, if anything I want to get it used to MORE calories.

So I don't let it adapt, I fucking fast and lose weight quickly, take advantage of natural hormones that increase metabolism during low insulin phases, and then break my fast and eat BEFORE my body can adapt long-term to reduced calorie intake.

>for the average person you're talking a difference of 50 calories at the most
First of all, the average person never loses weight while dieting. 90% of people diet, lose some weight, then relapse back to their old weight or even more.

You just keep drinking the big pharma / big food kool-aid and eat your 6 carb-based meals per day until your doctor tells you its time to get on the metformin train.

>you just don't know as much
Right because what you "know" from "common knowledge in the fitness industry" has been so effective in reducing obesity.

Yes retards, the key is to eat LESS so your body doesn't go into starvation mode and retain fat. All you're doing by fasting is causing the body to freak out as if its starving and do you know what it breaks down when its starving? I'll give you a hint.
It's not fat, it's muscle

Just ask waht would be best for an optimised machine.
>Take in less calories over an extended period, so lose fat as well as muscle in order to reach equilibrium of resting metabolic rate that matches new calorie intake level
> burn more fat over the short term with fast in expectation that previous calorie intake will be restored.

There is a logic behind it, it's not just magic people are appealing to.

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>your body is gonna go into starvation mode and retain fat
What the fuck was the point of making the fat then?

>you're gonna be in starvation mode with 15% body fat because you fasted for one or two days
Holy shit man it's a wonder human beings are still fucking alive, I don't think there's a single animal that can't go ONE FUCKING DAY without food.

>your body breaks down muscle when you're starving
Yes, the body is designed to burn away the best chance it has to fucking get a meal instead of the rainy day fund its literally been burning calories lugging around for the last fucking 20 years.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21410865
>Results reveal similar weight loss and fat mass loss with 3 to 12 weeks' intermittent CR (4-8%, 11-16%, respectively) and daily CR (5-8%, 10-20%, respectively). In contrast, less fat free mass was lost in response to intermittent CR versus daily CR. These findings suggest that these diets are equally as effective in decreasing body weight and fat mass, although intermittent CR may be more effective for the retention of lean mass.

Here's a hint - the people telling you this bullshit WANT YOU TO BE FAT. They make money selling you supplements, drugs, and food. If you ever actually lost weight, they'd be out of a job.

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I don't even know how this is a debate, you people are retards, you can literally see starving African children who have fat distended bellies and twig arms because the body eats muscle long before it will ever take fat for fuel
>b-but why
Because the body is a shitty organism, nature and evolution is shit, that's why 99.99% of all species go extinct

fucking retard
muscle protein synthesis is always at a net negative on a fasted state doesn't fucking matter what hormonal signalling pathways are upregulated during fasting if there are no exogenous building blocks coming in from your diet you are not gonna grow at all and you will only waste away slowly at best and incredibly fast at worst.

>LOOK AT THESE VIDEOS BY A GUY WITH 0 CREDENTIALS AND TRAINING ON YOUTUBE THAT I WATCHED AND ATE UP LIKE A TOTAL RETARD THEY PROVE ME RIGHT

you're legit fucking retarded
if you can't argue in favour of what you are proposing with your own fucking words then shut the fuck up.
there is not a single fucking bodybuilder natural or not who is even close to being competitive while doing fasting meme shit

Do you actually think those african kids have a belly because they are fat?

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>Just ask waht would be best for an optimised machine.
you're retarded too
your body doesn't give a fuck about your logic, your body will do its very best to maintain its muscle mass and organ tissue during starvation(which is what fasting is don't even try to argue against this shit fuckface) but it will ALWAYS be at a net LOSS in nitrogen/protein /muscle protein, ALWAYS, there's no fucking exception to this you fucking retard.
Fast weight loss is always WAY more catabolic than slower weight loss, fasting is fucking GARBAGE for people that wanna make gains, GARBAGE.
> burn more fat over the short term with fast in expectation that previous calorie intake will be restored.
Absolutely fucking retarded
>There is a logic behind it
No there isn't, why the living fuck would your body maintain more muscle on a harsher fat/weight loss?
Think really hard about this, it makes no fucking sense and it is literally the opposite of what you find in real life in real people and animals, animals that have a constant stream of nutrients have always better body composition, cows, tigers, chimps, gorillas macaques and yes humans too SUFFER from yoyoing in feasting and starvation.

Holy shit, you're retarded. The african kids' stomachs get distended because their starving bodies eat away at the connective tissues that hold in the intestines.

>you can literally see starving African children who have fat distended bellies and twig arms
What is Kwashiorkor?

>muscle protein synthesis is always at a net negative on a fasted state
muscle protein synthesis is also always at a net negative while you lift. You break your fast, the muscle gets rebuilt. Nobody is saying "stop eating forever."

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20300080
>he ability of alternate-day fasting (ADF) to modulate adipocyte parameters in a way that is protective against coronary heart disease (CHD) has yet to be tested. Accordingly, we examined the effects of ADF on adipokine profile, body composition, and CHD risk indicators in obese adults. Sixteen obese subjects (12 women/4 men) participated in a 10-week trial with three consecutive dietary intervention phases: (i) 2-week baseline control phase, (ii) 4-week ADF controlled feeding phase, and (iii) 4-week ADF self-selected feeding phase. After 8 weeks of treatment, body weight and waist circumference were reduced (P < 0.05) by 5.7 ± 0.9 kg, and 4.0 ± 0.9 cm, respectively. Fat mass decreased (P < 0.05) by 5.4 ± 0.8 kg, whereas fat-free mass did not change

There is ALWAYS protein turnover. Some of the muscle tissue is degraded, and autophagy will cause it to be destroyed and recycled into amino acids, and then when you break the fast new muscle tissue can be built with fresh protein.

You guys are fucking food addicts. None of you fat fuckers are going to starve because you didn't eat for a day.

>why the living fuck would your body maintain more muscle on a harsher fat/weight loss?
If a human is out in the wilderness and has a lack of food, that human is gonna need to keep every shred of muscle possible so that it can hunt successfully.
Using muscle instead of fat as a source of energy is completely illogical in a situation where you haven't eaten in a few days, because if muscle is used up that just increases that chances that you wont be able to eat.

We are literally seeing natural selection ar work

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>fast weight loss is catabolic
>people that wanna make gains
If you wanna make gains, why the fuck would you want to be catabolic at all? Fasting is for cutting fat and producing beneficial hormones and cell health, if you want to make gains fasting you have to have an average net calorie surplus over time.

>why would your body maintain muscle while burning fat
because fat is for energy storage and muscle is for getting more food.

>animals that have a constant stream of nutrients
Name one fucking carnivore that eats 3 meals a day.

Should I lift on a 2 week fast or not

Wheres the /fast/ general!?!?

>If a human is out in the wilderness and has a lack of food, that human is gonna need to keep every shred of muscle possible so that it can hunt successfully.
no it isn't you fucking retard, we have studies on this, muscle protein balance is NEGATIVE during fasting, doesn't matter what activity level that human has, it's always a net loss, always, no fucking exception.
You might not notice your actual myofibrillar muscle proteins catabolizing but they are, at much faster rates than they would if you would simply eat a regular feeding pattern with a caloric deficit.
It's also possible to build muscle while losing fat on a caloric deficit, because(surprise surprise) the body of mammals is best on a balanced constant stream of nutrition even if low in availability than in starvation+feasting.
>Using muscle instead of fat as a source of energy is completely illogical
you don't need much muscle to move though do you? so how is it illogical for your body to catabolize some muscle and fat for glucose in order to not die from low blood sugar?
see, the only thing illogical is your retarded argument, put a dog on a 10 day fast and he will shrink fast as fuck muscle included, do the same thing to a human and he will do the same.

Cringe bait.

>If you wanna make gains, why the fuck would you want to be catabolic at all?
ask that to the fasting retards ITT
people that wanna make gains might wanna cut fat while at least maintaining their muscle, which you CANNOT do on a fast, that is the whole point of my post, fasting is fucking SHIT for anyone that wants to make gains.
> Fasting is for cutting fat and producing beneficial hormones and cell health
all of those are achieved with caloric deficits
> if you want to make gains fasting you have to have an average net calorie surplus over time
no you don't

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You all can argue the best method all you want but in the end you know it's just another version of CICO, no matter how long you fast reduce meal size/per day.

But expecting fasting to cure your ailments is ridiculous. No doubt being fitter can improve your life, however.

>t.w*man
Post ass

2000 is "at least 1300"

Probably not, there's also not much point in doing a 2 week fast unless you are a seriously fat fuck. You'd benefit more by doing 48-72 hours and then eating a low-carb high protein refeed like vegetables and a steak or piece of salmon. You can lift doing that if you have a zero-calorie electrolyte solution like snake juice.

>muscle protein balance is negative
there's literally no diet that is less than TDEE that has positive muscle protein balance.

>higher rate
That's not what the data shows. The data shows the opposite, fasting preserves muscle better than traditional caloric deficits.

>its possible to build muscle while losing fat on a caloric deficit
It's also possible to build muscle while losing fat while fasting, because people FUCKING BREAK THEIR FAST.
>fast 24 hours from previous day's dinner
>work out before dinner
>eat a giant fucking steak
>you're fucking naturally roided up on growth hormone and your muscles are doubly insulin sensitive from fasting and the workout
Oh wow, it almost makes too much sense. It's like the body is designed to build muscle after scoring a kill on a big game animal or something.

>you don't need much muscle to move
Yeah, you do. Even to kill a fucking sick ass wildebeest you have to be able to walk it down in the noon sun until it dies of heat exhaustion.

>die from low blood sugar
Maybe thats while within 24 fucking hours of fasting most of your cells switch to consuming fat, and the liver produces ketones for the brain, so only the most bare minimum amount of glucose has to be generated for red blood cells and the brain from glycerol and amino acids.

>put a dog on a 10 day fast
wolves regularly go 10 days without scoring a kill and they don't die or lose so much muscle they can't make a kill. You're actually retarded and deserve diabetes.

10 million iq

I'm gonna lift on the 2 week fast anyways so I don't lose the habit or feel unmasculine

>cannot do on a fast
Yes, you can.
>caloric deficits produce beneficial hormones and autophagy
No, they don't. Caloric deficits do not cause an increase in growth hormone, nor do they cause the same amount of weak cell death and immune system response that fasting does.

>you don't need to have an average net calorie surplus over time for gains
Ok, let's say you're right. That means you're using body fat as energy either to fuel the workout or to fuel the anabolic muscle building. That's exactly the same thing that happens by working out fasted and then breaking it after the workout.

No, there are specific benefits to NOT eating as opposed to just eating less. When you just eat less, you don't reduce insulin resistance, you don't have autophagy, you don't rapidly enter ketosis, and you don't get the growth hormone surge.

eating less = good
eating next to nothing = bad
eating nothing = good
There. I hope that's simple enough for your pea sized brain you flaming fucking retard.

>fasting preserves muscle better than traditional caloric deficits
in the short term yes, in the long term absolutely not, and your ability to effectively exercise is going to diminish with fasting not even 3 weeks into a simple 18 hour regime.

If you're not a fat fuck, you can fast and then include carbs in your meal or break your fast with simple sugars pre-workout, finish your workout, and then eat a regular anabolic meal.

If you are a fat fuck, I think it's more important to fast and fix the inflammation and obesity-associated problems before worrying about lifting heavy. Fat fuckers should stay low carb even when re-feeding, even if it means muscle glycogen stores get completely depleted and they're not able to lift as much. Cardio shouldn't be affected much because endurance training can utilize fatty acids and ketones in the bloodstream. Plus fat fuckers don't want to exercise anyway, that's why they're fucking fat. When they see the weight coming off, they get motivated to exercise.

>Yes, you can build muscle and lose fat at the same time on a fast
no you can't
>Caloric deficits do not cause an increase in growth hormone
yes they do, and growth hormone is meaningless since it spikes up and down by thousands of per cent in net change and basically does fuck all at all since it's a mere coping mechanism when insulin levels go down and up
natural changes in growth hormone are meaningless since they are merely in response to changes in insulin, growth hormone isn't anabolic, igf-1 is and fasting dramatically reduces igf-1 levels despite growth hormone increasing igf-1 levels it isn't nearly enough.
>nor do they cause the same amount of weak cell death and immune system response that fasting does.
yes they do, you obviously haven't looked at the litearture on the topic, energy deficit by itself has the same autophagy effects as fasting which explains why all the blue zones have people eating a low ammount of calories.
>That means you're using body fat as energy either to fuel the workout or to fuel the anabolic muscle building. That's exactly the same thing that happens by working out fasted and then breaking it after the workout.
except you are not eating any nutrients on a fast, including protein, protein by itself is the on ly nutrient that is indeed needed to build muscle on the short term, long term you also need other shit like iron and calcium and magnesium and a bunch of vitamins and essential fats down the line to keep building muscle, you get 0 of those on a fast, which is why fasting is fucking stupid and you won't make any gains on it BUT YOU WILL ON REGULAR FEEDING PATTERNS.
>No, there are specific benefits to NOT eating as opposed to just eating less.
There are also cons like muscle wasting and metabolic adaptation to low energy availability, depression, build up of nutrient deficiencies, hormonal disruption and adrenal fatigue.
>When you just eat less, you don't reduce insulin resistance
Yes you do lmao.

>If you're not a fat fuck, you can fast and then include carbs in your meal or break your fast with simple sugars pre-workout, finish your workout, and then eat a regular anabolic meal.
or you could just eat like a normal human being high protein and low fat and carbs 3-4x a day and lose fat and build muscle at the same time .

Jesus fuck these fasting mentally ill anorexic dyel morons should just get fucking perma banned.

We get it, you have an eating disorder, you don't lift, you look like shit and you want others to be the same as you, now fuck off back to your subforum.

I don't think you get it. Fasting is not the same as starvation. Fasting is voluntary, you can eat whenever the fuck you want.

>you get 0 of those on a fast
>regular feeding patterns
One meal a day is a 24 hour fast. That's a regular feeding pattern.

>blue zones
None of the blue zones have people eating stupid amounts of carbohydrates or eating 6 times a day either. You're not going to fix a lifestyle of being a fat fucker by just copying a blue zone diet now.

>normal human being
>eat 3-4x a day
When the FUCK did that become "normal"? You are constantly spiking your insulin levels that way, are you fucking working out 4x a day too? Then why the fuck do you need to constantly eat all the fucking time?

>there's literally no diet that is less than TDEE that has positive muscle protein balance.
mennohenselmans.com/gain-muscle-and-lose-fat-at-the-same-time/
Resistance exercise promotes not only muscle maintenance but also muscle growth even on a caloric defiict, the muscle anabolism and fat catabolism pathways are completely independent of each other too so this whole bullshit you speak of is based on nothing but memes.
Yes, eating a caloric maintenance or surplus is superior to a deficit for building muscle but it doesn't change the fact that it is still very much possible to build muscle on a caloric deficit even if you are experienced with training.
case in point:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3411406/
even in extremely lean elite gymnasts who train hard as fuck everyday body recomposition is possible, literal fat loss and muscle gain at the same time

so you're wrong, stop spreading your bullshit fastfag
>That's not what the data shows. The data shows the opposite, fasting preserves muscle better than traditional caloric deficits.
you're so fucking stupid, fasting literally is catabolic by nature and there is not a single study showing otherwise, while there are MULTIPLE showing that eating regularly but at a caloric deficit allows for both muscle gain and fat loss simultaneously.
The data goes against what you preach at every turn.
Fasting is SHIT, grow the fuck up already.
>It's also possible to build muscle while losing fat while fasting, because people FUCKING BREAK THEIR FAST.
Good thing it DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER, because your muscles don't respond to exogenous amino acids to unlimited levels in a single meal, meaning that you can't make up for a 24-72h fast with eating a fuckton of protein, we have actual DATA showing this that even on a fasted state, 20-40g of a high quality protein MAXIMIZES muscle protein synthesis.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5852756/figure/nutrients-10-00180-f002/

>muscle protein synthesis is also always at a net negative while you lift. You break your fast, the muscle gets rebuilt. Nobody is saying "stop eating forever."
it isn't on a fed state though you fucking retard
you're not on a "fed state" while fasting you fucking dumb retard, so why are you still preaching this fasting shit when you literally just fucking admitted it is catabolic?

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>just eat less!
>t. people who were never fat for a single day in their lives

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you actually think this looks good?

I'm saying it's impossible to ever look normal once you get fat, no matter how much surgery or working out you do.

Working out just means you get to live a longer life alone.

>muscle protein synthesis is also always at a net negative while you lift
unless you are fed, which most people are while they lift, you fucking dumbass lmao
the only people that aren't fed during training are people that do fasting bullshit like the retarded slaves they are.