Carnivore quits diet

he hasn't been carnivore for a long time.
he's been eating shit like ketchup and korean buffet kobucha and other bullshit for a while now.
and really it's just his CRP which is bad, probably more related to his hernia mesh than his diet.

but don't you know? very high cholesterol means nothing
trust some blog articles and a very niche community on youtube. don't trust big evil pharma!

yeah it was definitely the ketchup

A funny retard
but a retard nonetheless
why dont people just eat normal foods?

Yes if his health wasn't 100% perfect and all medical complaints completely resolved, he must've just not done it right!

no, he was eating a lot of plants and other processed slop, that's by definition not carnivore you fucking brainlet

This guys channel is great if you wanna see a neurotic train wreck

He hops from one meme diet to the next, doing all sorts of bizarre, extreme things to try and improve his health, always with shit results

meanwhile..

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He legitimately wasn't though. He was eating a ton of ketchup with his meals and also raw fruits sometimes. He himself said he was "like 80% or 90% carnivore, or meat based" a few videos ago.
But unlike "plant based" diets, you can't really be partially carnivore. You either go full ZC or not.

Lol be more of an obnoxiously overly sarcastic tumblr faggot, just do it over on reddit

FPBP.

based and canadian-psychiatrist-pilled

He's mentally retarded and wasn't on a carnivore diet, he was eating lots of plants, you can see it in his fucking videos he shows you, moron

how many carbs did he eat?

how many carbs are in ketchup, sushi, the BBQ sauce on BBQ ribs, fruit juices, etc?

He's retarded. Low cholesterol is more dangerous than high a cholesterol.

140 is much more dangerous than 280

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True ZC for health reasons should be beef, water, and organs for at least 3 months, preferably six. Then slowly add things and see how they affect you.

Why not just eat a well balanced diet? I don't get why you'd willingly cripple yourself by denying yourself certain food groups. They are all beneficial, especially if natty. Just don't go overboard with any one thing.

this is a joke, unless he has a study that he can publish in a peer reviewed journal he can shut the fuck up

JBP and his daughter have a medical condition where they get violently ill by most food that is not meat. I don't know why you people neglect this fact.

This is the best story I've watched in youtube:
Switches from vegan to carnivore:
>vegans: he was never vegan!
>vegans: he's only gaining muscle because he's eating more now!
Switches back to vegan:
>carnivores: he was never a carnivore!
Posts his blood test results:
>carnivores: it's b-because of a hernia repair!
Vegans and carnivores both fucking insane. I really hope this guy finds something that works, I've watched him since 2016 and his videos are entertaining as fuck.

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But they're in good health eating only meat... what's your point?

Does that same condition mean they are also magically healthy on all meat diets where others wouldn't be? I don't understand why you people can't think logically

All of those things can be true at the same time you gigamoron

But yes I enjoy watching vegetable police, his videos are cozy

Vegan, carnivore, and ZC all have clear definitions.
>Vegan
No animal products.
>Carnivore
Only animal products.
>ZC
Only animal products and no carbs.

It really is that simple!
I can't speak to veganism but the dude was not a carnivore or a ZCer.

For those new to the "dietary influencers", slash cancer of youtube, this faggot called "Vegetable Police" is somewhat hated, but given empathy by almost everyone, vegans, plant based, paleo, carnivore, etc because he's a patented, certifiable retard. A legitimate low IQ autist.

>His cholesterol more than doubled and the doctor told him he was going to get a stroke and put him on statins.

Cholesterol hypothesis is a discredited pseudo scientific fraud perpetuated by pharmaceuticals to sell statins and agriculture to sell processed garbage and starchy poison. Cholesterol is not at all a usable metric to predict cardiovascular disease(CVD). In fact, decreasing your saturated fat intake is seen in statin research to increase your risk of CVD.

While I hate that communist, Rockefeller Trilateral piece of shit, him and his satanic spawn are at least correct on Carnivore diet.

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>Peterson
>communist
What lol

So based. Truly a man of culture

>eat meat (organ and muscle), dairy and a serving of fruit daily
>healthier than ever
Feels good being white. Fiber is not a probiotic, try kefir or something instead of shoving more dead matter inside your gut "for health reasons." I guarantee you'll see improvements especially if you ate a lot of fruit or veggies growing up and had gas, bloating or pains in your gut/shitting.

Carnivores constantly have ZC bleeding over. They keep trying to get people to quit dairy even when their only argument is "it makes a lot of people sick!" If it doesn't make you sick there is literally no reason to cut it. It's almost as bad as paleo "this GMO fruit that only existed in the last 40 years GOOD! Eggs? BAD!"

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Because plants are poisonous and contra indicated. Take Oxalic Acid from plants, from the early 1900s to even now its used as a corrosive agent, and or paint stripper. Ingesting it from plants over a duration will create deposits in the human body which will give a person rashes, joint pains, fibromyalgia and other neurological disorders because Oxalate crystals are nano meter in size.

Plants have Oxalic Acid as a purposeful herbicidal defense against us predators. They also saturate their progeny, being seeds, nuts with high concentrations of it to protect them, and it works in nature to prevent mold growth on their bodies and to deter pests.

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1) Most of those plant poisons only hurt insects , not large animals
2) Some of these compounds (like sulphorophane) can have a hormetic effect in humans. They make us stronger they same way exercise makes us stronger
3) If that was really true , vegans and vegetarians would be dying early and people who eat the most meat would be living the longest and be more disease free.
the opposite is true. people who eat less meat have lower risks of disease.

>le cholesterol myth

Only way to really find out if his heart is at danger is to get your arteries checked out directly by CT Scan for example.

You need to research the world annon. Rockefeller's created numerous global foundations, including financing, giving the United Nations its necessary seed capital for its creation. Rockefeller gifted them his own real-estate in New York as the ground for its headquarters. The Trilateral Commission is another institution created by Rockefeller and in terms of plutocratic rank, one level higher then the Council of Foreign Relations(CFR).

Literally everyone who's anyone in US politics is a CFR. Hillary Clinton, Dick Cheney who was a vice chair with David Rockefeller himself, Chris Christie, the guy who initially picked out Donald Trump's administration. All US administrations of late have had a solid roster of CFRs. It's also an internationally recognized body as China's Xi Jinping has paid homage to the Council by personally visiting them

In terms of Peterson and the Trilateral Commission, he gave speeches to several heads of state, economists, journalists at one of their elite events... He personally did work on the UN sustainability papers, and he's been commissioned for other jobs as well. In terms of academia, Canadian Academia is nothing but social justice and communism. No one rises through the ranks in that system without paying their dues to that establishment...

Then there's other shit like Peterson's Hollywood ownership by CAA, which is the biggest power broker in that industry, including personally shilling for Hillary Clinton in the last election.

The doctrines of these institutions have socialism, communism as a basis for population control. The so called "Green new deal" is just latest of such scams to steal trillions of dollars from us in the West to pay for the "World Order".

Not the same person (), stay mad bagget.

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>fpbp
Did you know fpbp doesn't mean what you think it means

this
you make good points, but the body is made specifically to expell these toxins. if they really deposited as you say, you'd already be long dead. i'm sure increased intake might have something to do with what you're saying, but if you eat it at normal levels this should not be a problem.
unless of course it deposits in the bones or some other body parts where it doesn't cause immediate damage, but the time it stays in there is long enough for it to cause damage.

The problem with muh plants are toxic meme is that a lot of vegetables are high in potassium and other minerals so if you're deprived of food, you might as well eat a couple of cucumbers and tomatoes to keep your electrolytes balanced.

Why are two assuming that toxin buildup would kill you? It's entirely plausible that it would simply lower your quality of life in a myriad of ways without killing you. In fact there are a laundry list of conditions that we know of that affect the human body is just such a way. This is basic, elementary knowledge.

You can get all of that from animal sources. Just eat organ meats.

Oh, how the tables have turned! You guys sound EXACTLY like veganfags defending malnurished vegans! "H-he didn't do it the r-right way! That's why the almost died... a-and the medical doctor was wrong anyway, he was fine!" Pathetic.

holy fuck this guys teeth are absolutely jacked

All we're saying is that he wasn't following a carnivore diet. And he wasn't. It's a simple fact that can't really be avoided. Draw whatever conclusions you will from this objective truth.

>All we're saying is that he wasn't following a vegan diet. And he wasn't. It's a simple fact that can't really be avoided. Draw whatever conclusions you will from this objective truth.

Anyway, is the claim that his blood-levels are fucked because of cucumbers? Becuase he ate mostly meat and added a few other things. Which one of those fucked him? The sellery?

>cucumbers
>tomatoes
>vegetables

heh.. nice trick

I happen to think a diet of meat, fruits ans nuts (real nuts, not stealth legumes like cashews and pea"""nuts""") is perfect for humans.

No one walking in nature sees a leaf and goes "Mmm delicious and nutritious".

Did you not see how much ketchup and bbq sauce he had in those videos? Its more sugar than I eat in a day and I eat fruits alot

Nobody in the thread above your post made a claim about what "fucked" his blood levels lmao, you are a maniac leaping and stabbing at shadows. Chill out

>sugar in ketchup increases cholesterol and does all of that other shit
How does that work exactly?

I thought the claim was that DIETARY cholesterol is good, and won't raise your actual blood levels of cholesterol. But is the claim now that actually having high cholesterol is good for you?

>people who eat less meat have lower risks of disease.

Not scientifically supported.

If you're thinking about vegetarian studies, most of that trash science comes from the cult of Seventh Day Adventistism. How does this cult do it? For some unGodly reason they own several accredited US universities which pump out pseudo scientific trash, like that last study about "superior heart health". That study was overtly discredited because they were found to be cherry picking the people from the healthiest segments of their population as a pseudo representation of their overall composite. There is also contra indicated research which shows Adventists have higher rates of CVD...

>1) Most of those plant poisons only hurt insects , not large animals

Oxalate is mechanistically shown to causal of kidney stones and is openly known in medical literature in this regard. Its also found in autopsies to be high in over 50% of elderly in their thyroids. This assertion of your holds no validity. Oxalate in particular is cumulative, and cannot be dumped if a person is chronically consuming it.

>2) Some of these compounds (like sulphorophane) can have a hormetic effect in humans. They make us stronger they same way exercise makes us stronger

I'm not seeing much support for this, just mice animal models and loose correlations. Do you know if there's any unpinned biological mechanisms in human physiology for this?

>3) If that was really true , vegans and vegetarians would be dying early and people who eat the most meat would be living the longest and be more disease free.

Do you know how diabetics are created? In pathophysiology, the disease progression is through the chronic elevation of blood sugar. Plant dieters who're not eating low carb, such as nuts, seeds, legumes, but eating lots of starches, which is what the Seventh Day Adventist John McDougall advocates including his cohorts such as Dr. Gregor will cause such metabolic disorders.

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So what is actually wrong with his blood?

Low vitamin D (not really diet related as much as not getting enough sun)

Slightly high cholesterol (but HDL/trig ratio is excellent which is a better indicator of health)

CRP high, due to mesh? perhaps

I bet if you took the average person and ran their bloods they'd have more fucked up shit than him

>shit technique
>goes even more retarded and unhealthy

its very simple my duder, just look at the actual data

sorry m'lord, i'll be on my way

>Slightly high cholesterol
>the doctor told him he was going to get a stroke and put him on statins
>"five times the amount"

doctors are retarded this has already been established

>His cholesterol more than doubled and the doctor told him he was going to get a stroke and put him on statins.
What a shitty doctor. Statins are last penultimate final solution, not some first choice for non-optimal bloodwork. Naming, shaming, getting that fuck out of work permanently and more is adequate.

Is living a slow, lingering death of undernourishment life worth it though? Rather live young and be able to life things up at work with functioning teeth nigga

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He didn't take them.

He's correct (), however there are rare cases of death from consumption in a single sitting. This is because the threshold for poisoning death is anywhere from 3g to160g, and likely there's a bandwidth for genetic tolerance. So if you mix a ton of spinach or other very high oxalate food into say, a soup, you can create very high concentrations in the liquid, especially if you boil down most of the water. Some people have actually died from such a concoction.

For most people they experience numerous chronic conditions as a result of consumption. Rashes, joint pains, or neurological issues. Even after stopping, it can take the body 1 to 8+ months to dump oxalate depending on how large the deposits are in the patient's body. Patients have recorded feeling even worse during the dumping phase, with an increase in intensity of their Oxalate conditions during this process. Its really nasty shit. Reason being oxalate binds to calcium in your body to form nano-meter crystals which seem to deposit freely throughout the body

>when you believe a mentally ill flat-earther before educated doctors
Lemme guess, it's the (((jews))) somehow, right? Big Soi? The freemasons? Get the fuck out of here, retards. Eat a balanced diet and eat your fucking veggies.

Good, don't let the door hit you on the way out

It's still worse for you to have high cholesterol than to have midrange cholesterol. Why wouldn't you want to eat the healthiest diet possible?

>every doctor should be believed unquestioningly
Retard bootlicker

No, based on scientists looking at the actual data, of which there are many

Doctors handing out statins like candy are not good doctors. You vegan nutjob who disagrees with me, fine, just eat them like doctor tells you to. I reealy don't care if you suffer and die. Attagirl

>heart disease kills millions and millions of people per year
>very clear link between high saturated fat intake and heart disease established over decades of research
>people follow retarded meme diets where they consume massive amounts of saturated fat for made up benefits that don't even make sense they saw in a youtube video

Keto is also generally pretty bad, its only healthy long term if most of the fats are mono and poly-unsaturated, most people eat lots of cheese and meat, butter, etc.

Eating lots of avocados, nuts, low carb vegetables, and lean meat is probably super healthy though if you want to not eat carbs for some reason

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Explain to me, has the claim changed? I've been following the debate, so I'm aware of the claim that dietary cholesterol is not an issue, but are we not saying that actual blood levels of cholesterol can be very high and that this is not an issue and that medical doctors who claim otherwise are simply "retarded" and can be dismissed?

>carnivores with no credentials should be believed unquestioningly
>because I ignore anyone with actual credentials and education, that makes me smarter than them!
Peabrain.

>medical doctors don't count as scientists
Right, I forgot, they're only scientists when they agree with you, otherwise they're retarded shills, no?

>vegan
I just said to eat balances you fucking paranoid jackass, i.e. meat and veggies. Not everyone who disagreed with you is a veganfag. That's all you got, isn't it? "Not a malnurished vegan" is NOT a good enough diet.

Don't forget to do a cleanse to detox. Too much toxins in the body.

medical doctors are not scientists, for the most part, especially the standard family doctor who does not have time to do research on every condition ever

I'm not saying carnivores should be believed unquestioningly either. Rather than place faith in authority figures a man should think for himself and come to his own conclusions based on what makes sense to him. Are you even capable of doing that? Or capable of responding with moving the goalposts in some way, as you have consistently done in each post?

PEOPLE WITH
140 CHOLESTEROL

DIE MORE OFTEN

THAN PEOPLE WITH

280 CHOLESTEROL

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>Feels good on carnivore diet
>Feels like shit going back to vegan again

b-but muh bloods
holy shit it just proves how doctors have no idea about anything
just listen to your body you little faggot youtube nigger

A practicing doctor is usually not a scientist in the same way that an engineer is not a scientist. A "scientist" is someone who consistently applies the scientific method in order to reach conclusions. Typically the term is used to describe researchers.

>Not reading the actual studies from 5 decades ago that these conclusions were drawn from.

How does it feel to be borderline braindead and not realizing that sugar is the culprit?

All food is processed. It was processed in to a cut of meat or gone through a washing process or the cooking process. Please don’t parrot a phrase if you mean to say something completely different.

Stop being a pedantic faggot. You know what he meant when he said "processed food" dumb bitch

BUT MUH DOCTOR SAYS

>Am I capable of correctly interpreting scientific data on health and medicine and adjusting my own diet accordingly, and do so better than those educated in that field?
No, because I am not trained in that discipline. I can follow along a pop-science version of it, sure, but I can no more make correct judgements here than I could build a bridge without an engineering degree. And the idea that one can not only match, but exceed, specialists in the field with no experience other than shitposting and youtube vids is laughable.

I understand the sentiment of not blindly believing. But part of being intelligent and reasonable is recognizing the limits to one's intelligence and reason. That means deferring to the judgement of experts. Now that doesn't mean blindly obeying the first doctor you meet, and one should certainly get different opinions from different sources. But in the end, if one lacks training, it's a matter of choosing which expert to listen to rather than 'thinking for oneself'. People insisting on 'thinking for themselves' when it comes to matters of science they have no training in is how you get anti-vaxxers and flat-earthers.

Certainly, and I'd believe a proper researcher before a practicing MD, but the latter has had training too and I'd believe him before anything I read on Jow Forums. After all, their training is based on knowledge obtained by researchers.

>very clear link between high saturated fat intake and heart disease established over decades of research

This is outright false. Statin research shows that people who're lower in LDL-C have higher mortality, secondly LDL-C is not causal of CVD, and is not an associative, let alone predictive variable for CVD.

You ever seen the chemical reactive chain for fatty acids in the human body, called "Cholesterol Metabolism". Do us all a favor and look into that.

>you'll learn pretty quicky why your a total fucking retard.
>and why that the government recommendations are closer to malicious genocide against the domestic population

>from one meme to another
S

>decades of research
>research that includes processed meats in its dedinition of red meat
>research that doesnt differentiate the rest of their subjects diets, just if they eat red meat

Yeah nice research anime posting fag

This is retarded slave thinking. You should be trying to learn about your health as much as you can. You've basically just admitted that your only argument is "but this other guy said so" which means you have no argument at all. You are literally admitting to using appeal to authority as your only basis.

Kek at least he comes right out and says it

How do you know which expert to trust? You should find an expert expert to tell you which experts to listen to

Lmao this guy is underrated af
hilarious videos thanks for the promotional thread I guess
youtube.com/watch?v=jouuvafTgag
he should do comedy

>doesn't address point at all
Choke on dick vegan troll faggot

honestly primal has been the best.
I tried zero carb but felt so much better when I added a fruit back in.

again, why wouldn't you eat a healthy diet that puts your cholesterol in midrange.

his only bad marker is his c reactive protein.

So I shouldn't clean my room??

it's just his CRP, which I think is mostly due to his mesh as well.
the rest of his markers are fine.

LDL and HDL are lipoproteins, cholesterol ride-shares on those particles, one of their main purposes is to move energy through the blood.
go watch Dave Feldman if you want to learn about cholesterol.