Why do you think this is Jow Forums?

Nice spooks nerd

But alas, hell exists, not as a metaphysical space of suffering but as a real place we visit during out lives if we lead them poorly, and so egoism too needs to accept a degree of morality lest the world itself burn. No such ignorance as ignorance to reality.

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Not a burger, actual SocDem in a ConMon.

I see virtue in both cooperation and individual aspiration, sadly I am entirely bereft of aspiration, inspiration initiative and dreams, so conforming and accepting a predefined niche is just the easier way to live in moderate comfort, my immediate needs seen to.

Socalism in general is a effeminate trait because it is solely based on muh feelings.

Gymbros are also more likely to be gay.

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>"Koba"
That's Stalin, you fucking tankie.

Why does it even matter? Lefties in general dominate the campuses, does that mean lefties value learning more than strength?

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capitalism in general is a dead trait because it is solely based on muh profit.

From the rampant anti white men propaganda everywhere there are two routes for the white man to take.
Route 1) is the lefttard who listens to everything the media tells him to indulged himself in and that being lazy is an acceptable personality trait. They hate being white and behave submissivly to prove how non racist they are
Route 2) after hearing you're bad for being white there are some men who decide to defy the laws of what society has said about them to prove to them they are all wrong and white men are great...
At least thats why i became Jow Forums

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Funny most people died under socialism (gulags, starvation, "enemy" of the (((people))))

>socialism effeminate because it is based on feelings
What part of this is based on feelings let alone feminine?
>humans need property to live
>porky owns vast majority of property
>people with no property are forced to sell their labour to survive
>porky buys peoples labour and gives them a fraction of what it is worth, pocketing any profit made
>the peoples logical response is to take the property from porky because they are the ones who work on it and porky's concept of ownership is philosophically shakey especially when held up against that
Are you willingly this retarded or are you just a huge cuck?
>porky owns most of property
>user likes porky's greasy cock in his mouth so he says porky deserves to have the property because individualism and shit
>in reality any individualist with a brainstem understands that the rational course of action is to take the property from porky
>this makes user feel emotions he doesnt like so it's bad

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It means they are better at making student loans

Look at all this *cope*

I know you want to be the autistic kid who still pushes the card of socialism and "liberalism" but you should just chill and spare us the pain of seeing an adult protecting a fringe political theory largely supported by effeminate men and women.

>haha you're j-j-just coping y-you LIBTARD!
>you're so e-edgy and feminine you p-pussy! Give away!
Rebut my points you fucking faggot

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7/10, would be better with an ancap trollface.

Fuck off foreigner this is fit not pol. Fuck off gay ass OP too

I'm not entirely against socialist redistribution, but see, here's the thing: it's not enough that I should succeed - others should fail. I'm all for others sharing wealth with me, I'm just not very keen on sharing back.
So the whole socialism-for-self-interest thing doesn't really seem appealing.

Didnt stirner became a catholic before he died from a bug sting? spooky

>redistribution
Socialism has nothing to do with redistribution between workers. Dont listen to burger propaganda.
>it's not enough that I should succeed - others should fail.
Then take what is yours and put porky in your place. If this is what you live by, then why are you not yet a socialist?

>That image
He owns the gold because he owns the land. Why is that so hard to understand?
I know this might be hard for you to understand but rich people are rich because they work hard and are smart while poor people are poor because they are dumb and lazy. Multiple studies prove this.

*put porky in his place

>actually if you let people take your stuff that makes you more individualistic
the absolute state

>Because it's comforting
90% of people born to poor parents with an IQ of 100 get out of poverty by the age of 30.
Basically, if you are poor, you are dumb.

is this thread posted every day so you can circlejerk about your superiority to leftists

Because it also makes the lives of others better, which is something I want to avoid.
I'd rather be a porky myself, by whatever immoral means necessary. Exploitation of others feels kinda good.

Your pic related quote, ironically enough, is more of an endorsement FOR capitalism than for socialism.

Also, you assume that conservatives are all morons that think "I'll be in the rich guy club if I just work super hard"

In reality, most of us just want to be left the fuck alone. We want to pay less in taxes, we want less government oversight, we want less, not more.

>I'd rather be a porky myself, by whatever immoral means necessary. Exploitation of others feels kinda good.
you just explained why socialism would never ever work. Majority of people deep inside are like you they just hide it, but if they had an opportunity to exploit others they would.

> rampant anti white men propaganda
What's it like living in a fantasy, and why did you still choose to be a faggot I'm this fantasy?

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Kike

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This

Why do you think the richest people come from the races with the highest IQs? Socialism is when incompetent people make excuses for why their life is shit.

>He owns the gold because he owns the land. Why is that so hard to understand?
Those who work the land and contribute to society and themselves should own the land and should take it by force regardless of the capitalist's emotional appeals as justified by the capitalist's exploitation of the workers -- and that's not even considering the flimsy philosophical basis of ownership of land.
>I know this might be hard for you to understand but rich people are rich because they work hard
Dont shift the terms. Rich people != the capitalist class. A rich worker is generally rich because he worked hard and he absolutely deserves that wealth. He is the one who made the product or performed the service and is entitled to the fruit it bears.
A capitalist does not have to be rich to be an exploiter. The economic relationship is inherently exploitative. It is completely irrelevant how hard the capitalist works; if his income relies on the extraction of value from his workers (as it does) then his labour is irrelevant and his workers are entitled to what they produce. A parasite that has a replaceable existence is merely a parasite and is detrimental to sustain. The host, the only necessary party in the relationship, should do away with them and should not care about ridiculous emotional arguments when they are being exploited.
You're also wrong when it comes to how hard a capitalist works. Some certainly do, especially when growing a business, but when the business survives based off an exploitative relationship that hurts those who work hard to earn for themselves then it holds no value and should not be respected by those being harmed. The relationship is parasitic snd the circumstance paradoxical as the wealthiest capitalists work the least; they simply pay others a portion of what their labour is worth to do the work and continue to extract a large portion of what that work yields because they own.

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>poor people are poor because they are dumb and lazy.
We live in a time with some of the least economic mobility in decades and a historical record of wealth inequality but that is just because the vast majority of people are stupid and lazy. The reason the physicist earns 50k a year and the wealthiest individuals in the world are mere property owners whose labour goes as far as sitting in on shareholders meetings (if that) is because the property owner is simply more intelligent and works harder than the physicist.

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>Those who work the land and contribute to society and themselves should own the land
Then they should purchase the land
>if his income relies on the extraction of value from his workers
He is the leader and therefore the most important member.

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well it makes sense.
stronger men tend to be very protective
weak men tend to be more emotional

>and that's not even considering the flimsy philosophical basis of ownership of land.
>Lmao wat is private property even?
Retard commiecuck gtfo.

How is it possible to be this delusional? Serious question.

Not an argument brainlet

If for one wouldn't mind something like UBI (why work somewhere you hate just to survive). It'd give me more time to focus on stuff I actually care about (such us working out/studying languages/etc).

False.
>Evidence shows significant income mobility in the US – 73% of Americans were in the ‘top 20%’ for at least a year
aei.org/publication/evidence-shows-significant-income-mobility-in-the-us-73-of-americans-were-in-the-top-20-for-at-least-a-year/print/

>Your pic related quote, ironically enough, is more of an endorsement FOR capitalism than for socialism.
Let's hear why
>Also, you assume that conservatives are all morons that think "I'll be in the rich guy club if I just work super hard"
Most are
>In reality, most of us just want to be left the fuck alone. We want to pay less in taxes, we want less government oversight, we want less, not more.
You're a minority and should be a leftist if you want to be left alone. Why do you tolerate porky overlords if you can't tolerate a big government? Why not combat both?

>You should vote for the party that wants big government if you want the government to leave you alone

>>>/leftypol/

>It'd give me more time to focus on stuff I actually care about (such us working out/studying languages/etc).
So doing fuck all, being useless and nonproductive?

>cherry picking from 2014
Nice
brookings.edu/blog/social-mobility-memos/2018/01/11/raj-chetty-in-14-charts-big-findings-on-opportunity-and-mobility-we-should-know/
google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://psmag.com/.amp/economics/new-research-debunks-the-upward-mobility-myth&ved=2ahUKEwiS3qfUjvDiAhUlh1QKHSI6DHgQFjAIegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw15XMU9IPBTVJ_Uq9y1UvF5&cf=1

>From 2014
Now explain why that is an issue faggot.
>Your more likely to own a high status job if your parents did the same
Yeah, because IQ is heritable. But at the same time the vast majority of wealth is lost after only 2 generations.

When the fuck did I ever advocate the democratic party?
Not to mention the republican party is just as bad except they won't even give you public healthcare which is actually laughable considering that's bare minimum everywhere else in the world (and no, you dont need big gov for that)

>Everywhere in the world
So? The rest of the world can't even figure out freedom of speech.

I'm afraid you're missing my point. Why would you do work that can and will be done by robots eventually? With UBI you wouldn't have to worry about sustaining yourself which would allow you to further your own development, and in the end being more productive (obviously some people would be just fine with sitting on their asses but truth be told they can do it already with all the social government money)

Ah yes, """""free"""" healthcare. You only need europoor style 50% tax rates to have it! I sure love """"free"""" healthcare.

>Then they should purchase the land
Because that solves the problem that is economic exploitation
>He is the leader and therefore the most important member.
He is not the leader, he is the owner. You could make that case for the manager but the manager is also a worker.

>Exploitation
You say this like it's a known fact

>will be done by robots eventually?
Lmao you actually believe that bullshit? Protip, you will never see mass automation in your lifetime, dumbass.

>which would allow you to further your own development, and in the end being more productive
Also total bullshit. As perfectly illustrated by your desire to "work out" and "study language". Aka, do nothing but masturbate and shitpost on 4channel.

And what happens when everyone else wants to just sit at home and masturbate too? No more internet, all the employees quit. No more grocery stores, all the employees quit. No more clean water, all the employees quit. No more gyms, all the employees quit. Etc. Etc. Or did you think you alone would get to sit at home and be useless, just leeching off the rest of society still working?

If you are not familiar with basic economics you shouldn't be arguing about economics.
youtu.be/YMdIgGOYKhs

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>Basic economics
You mean your commie buzzwords. "Exploitation" isn't basic economics you stupid commie.

>LOOK THIS JOB IS BAD
Then why don't they just get a better job? Oh wait, they aren't because they didn't go to college or work harder. Why should I feel sorry for someone who did nothing with their life and now works a shit job?

Damn that's like 10 times better than in any warehouse I ever worked in. No wonder amazon is becoming so popular here.

why are you guys so obsessed with this shit?
just go out and do your thing

imagine being so anti the working class because you are a snob child who never had any responsibilities

Except these ideas came from Adam Smith and Ricardo
Because there arent better jobs and they cant afford education. Why does the hyper wealthy company not simply pay them better and give them better conditions, cuck?
The state of burgerland

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Lol no. I was born into poverty but went to college and now have a degree in genetics. There is literally no excuse for being poor past the age of 30 besides being lazy.
>There aren't better jobs
There are literally hundreds of thousands of jobs in programming, genetics, math, ect, ect that are understaffed and want people.

>Then why don't they just get a better job?
this website is for 18+

As I said some people already do nothing. Have you considered that there are people who work in certain fields because they like it? Do you think these people would quit to "sit at home and masturbate" instead of working and earning additional funds? This is a slippery slope fallacy my friend and it's a fallacy for a reason. It simply doesn't work like that.

>You'll never see automation in your lifetime
Wouldn't be so sure about that. Lots of jobs are already automated or can be easily in the future (especially when you consider the speed at which technology advances)

Yeah, since you don't know how to get a better job you clearly don't have a lot of work experience or have been stuck in the same shit job for years and are too lazy/dumb to know how to get a better deal.

>Lol no. I was born into poverty but went to college and now have a degree in genetics. There is literally no excuse for being poor past the age of 30 besides being lazy.
stop lying on the fucking internet.

>Yeah, since you don't know how to get a better job you clearly don't have a lot of work experience
yeah you clearly show that you have no idea at all about anything

Imagine thinking VICE and Dailywire are good sources for scientific studies

Go learn a skill retard.

>Lol no. I was born into poverty but went to college and now have a degree in genetics. There is literally no excuse for being poor past the age of 30 besides being lazy.
Great work. Necessarily not everyone can do that. There needs to be unemployment and exclusivity in education for capitalism to function whether it be domestically or internationally. There will always be outliers, however, capitalist economic theory and empirical evidence don't lie like anecdotes can.
>There are literally hundreds of thousands of jobs in programming, genetics, math, ect, ect that are understaffed and want people.
People cannot get those jobs without education. If it was that easy, why would people work 10+ hour shifts 6 days a week just to live in poverty? They are already working absurdly hard, so if it is so simple, why not simply take the step to get am incredible job that is so appealing and only takes a bit of effort to acquire? These workers prove they have more than enough effort constantly.
>inb4 lazy xD

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>Lying
Here is a cap from the school program I am in specifically for students who are in poverty. It's EOP. Literally no reason that anyone can't go to college and get a good degree or work their ass off and go up in another non academic field.
>Worked at a shitty fast food place
>Then worked as a teachers assist
>Worked hard until I got paid $15 an hour
>Then as a lab tech once I got my associates because my professor liked me and I showed that I am hard working

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>Without education
Yes but anyone can get an education. I'm not saying it's easy and I don't look down on people who don't want to, but faggot commies who act like people are being exploited or that people have no options are full of shit. Everyone has the option to get a good education or to work hard their way up.

Imagine being such a weakling that you know that in an environment of free competition you are incapable of gathering your own resources and you need to antagonize the members of your society who are able to do so as you beg daddy government to take what is theirs and give to you, like an incel that complains that Chad gets to have a girlfriend and he doesn't and begs for a state mandated gf. You're such a weakling you want to dismantle capitalism because the idea of people with more willpower than you making cash and engaging in voluntary hierarchy hurts your pathetic ego, the ego of a fragile princess afraid of working.

Good post. Anyone who thinks you can't persevere and do well is a sorry excuse for a human. No wonder they're drawn to socialism.

>Have you considered that there are people who work in certain fields because they like it?
Lmfao. Yeah those grocery store workers fucking love making near minimum wage. Stocking shelves and bagging groceries is their life dream. Those internet company employees really love getting yelled at on the phone or laying cabling in some shitty apartment. You fucking out of touch retard.

>Wouldn't be so sure about that
You're a fucking neet aren't you? Also, have you ever considered inflation? Or even where this """free""" money comes from? It comes from taxes from working people. The only people who would benefit from UBI are neet scum who could be working but refuse to. People who legitimately can't work like a paraplegic are already on disability.

lol get a load of this loser. People don't become exploited, in a Capitalist system people engage freely in business with each other. No one forces you to work. The reality is that hard work alone does not make you successful, hard work with intelligence and luck makes you successful. Socialists think hard work alone is a virtue that should be rewarded, when the irony is that proponents for socialism never work hard, they're all a bunch of lazy layabouts who complain about everything instead of learning how to compete and succeed

Next level mental gynastics.

>Yes but anyone can get an education.
If this was the case way more people would be educated especially in your country. It simply is not always an option. When you are locked into a minimum wage job barely paying for rent/food how the fuck do you get an education, and if it is cheaper for everyone and better for workers then why would we not simply publicize it? This is an easily corrected issue which liberals seem to be dead set in maintaining and denying as you are.
My interest lies solely in people becoming the best they can be. When we live in a practically post-scarcity society why are we not having hard-workers direct all their efforts to solving problems or doing meaningful work instead of pouring all their effort into getting something we can easily provide for them? People have limited time and bandwidth. It is inefficient and stupid. Liberalism/conservatism has no interest in meaningful hardwork and to advocate anything otherwise is intellectually dishonest.
>I'm not saying it's easy and I don't look down on people who don't want to, but faggot commies who act like people are being exploited
People are provably being exploited. Read my previous posts.

>If this was the case way more people would be educated especially in your country
People don't want to get educated because they don't want to work their ass off for 5 years. It's not about if they "Can" it's about if they want to. In the long run however going to school is a lot easier than working a shitty job for the rest of your life.

Gymbros
>More disciplined
>Less tolerant of weakness
>Selfish
>Cares less about others
>Is used to openly say what he wants

Weak men
>Less disciplined
>More tolerant of weakness
>More patient
>More society oriented
>Cares about others (not even out of empathy, needs teamwork to get shit done)
>Isn't used to saying what he wants, thus there is higher need for activism and protests

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>stealth
we aren't quiet about it here m8

Funny how the entire concept of property changed from "whatever is in nature is unowned until someone makes something out of it" to "I own everything, even unused and stuff I can't use" and that it happens to benefit those who own stuff over those who don't.

>how the fuck do you get an education
You apply for financial aid and get educated for free, you fucking retard.

That's what owning land is. Are you saying people shouldn't be allowed to own land?

I'm sure you're aware that most of the minimum wage jobs are first to be automatized right? That's why those people wouldn't have to be yelled at and slave away for minimum wage but could focus on the work they want to do instead (even if it wasn't as profitable).

And that "free money" would come from the companies who own the "robots"?

Also, why are you so bitter and angry that you have to call me names? Can't you keep it civil?

>Cares less about others
>Cares about others (not even out of empathy, needs teamwork to get shit done)

This is the other way around. Gymcels lift for women, mirin and validation. Socialists only care about themselves thats why they want to steal from others and want to tax everyone else.

>I'm sure you're aware that most of the minimum wage jobs are first to be automatized right
This is fucking retarded logic. How fucking stupid are you? Hurr it'll be theoretically automated at some point in the indeterminate future thus we should just have them all quit their jobs now durrr.

>And that "free money" would come from the companies who own the "robots"?
So the companies that don't exist will just pay everyone. Got it.

>Also, why are you so bitter and angry that you have to call me names?
You deserve to be insulted. You're incredibly delusional and naive. You haven't the faintest clue how the world works, you just know that you're lazy and don't want to work. Now you're looking for a way out and other people's money is looking pretty tasty right now.

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Where exactly did I say they should quit their jobs right now? Also a good chunk of of jobs are already done by robots for the most part (cashiers, factory workers etc)

Money would come from taxes on the companies (not only but that the part I focused on. You can easily go and read up on the topic.)

Yeah sorry there lad but you should focus on attacking the idea by pointing out the problems within instead of the person. It'd be more productive this way and you'd not come off as such a jackass.