Ben johnson with this body benched 440 lbs some days before he ran a 9.79(world record) 100 meters dash

i think it just helps to be build fast twitch
however his bench pressing was to help him get out of the blocks faster, according to charlie francis

People with more fast twitch muscle fibre can exert more force over time but tire more quickly, more force over time = faster speed, it also translates well to lifing weights. If you can plly greater force over time your bench will be higher.

i trained athletics in high school and had a 11,2 100m dash at 19, at first was training decathlon but didnt have enough dedication to learn proper technique for everything and only did sprints and long jump. training athletics is really fun and i encourage all young anons to try it instead of just only gymcelling, gives you a great base to focus purely on lifting later when you become an adult and have less free time

for me with better upper body strength it felt much eaisier to sprint with a proper technique after i bulked up a little bit and had better results. this sport heaivly depends on your genetics though. you both see in olympics jacked sprinters and lightweight sprinters, some people respond good in term of sprint speed to heavy weight training and coaches continue to train them that way, while some might lose their speed after bulking up.

but yes, all sprinters basically do heavy squats, heavy bench, heavy cleans. even if they dont look jacked, at least 30% of their training time is focused on weight training

Strength is the base to everything when it comes to explosive athletics. The difficult part is transfering Weightroom strength into Applicable, running speed.

This requires specialized jump training as well as "shock" training. You cannot do these exercises without sufficient strength.

Simply put,

>Strength is required for Specialized Exercises
>Specialized Exercises are required to turn Strength into Speed

t. the man thats going to make USA's this year in sprints

so upperbody strenght makes you run faster.? interesting

do you know any strenght ratio on cleans that would make you fast as hell ?

do vertical jump correlates sprinting speed ?

wich exercise transfer in speed the most ?

The snatch and the clean and jerk are the exercises that will give you the best speed strength progress.
youtube.com/watch?v=vPBBI28MkCU

99% of the strength feats of popular non strength sports athletes are made up or exaggerated

power output is higher in bodyweight jumps than in any olympic lift variation

what about muscle cleans ?

Inform yourself about what steroids do before asking stupid fucking questions

Fast twitch helps you move explosively but overall muscle strength helps you sustain that speed over time.

The benefit of strength training in not just sprinting, but all sports, is actually more hotly debated than many of the internet experts like to make out. A lot of this appearance of a "consensus" is the S&C industry trying to make sure they get to eat at the big table - many coaches in different sports feel that these "specialists" are often a waste, especially since they often dont have actual experience in the specific sport.

Generally strength helps with speed, but it is a case of rapidly diminishing returns. Which is why you will often hear track talk about being "strong enough" (2xBW squat is usually a gold standard). Beyond this point, being stronger doesn't seem to help much, and eventually, its impossible to get stronger without getting significantly bigger.

the sports physiology field is also frequently embarrassed by displays of elementary mistakes like mistaking correlation for causation. A lot of "peer reviewed" published research is complete dogshit that would be laughed out of more prestigious fields of science. So when you hear someone talking about their "evidence based" programs, its like hollywood saying "based on a true story" - completely meaningless.

The widespread embrace of sports physiologists began with people racing to emulate the USSR and DDR's results. What many dont realize is one of the primary methods the soviets have enjoyed using in many different areas is disinformation. While american coaches were eagerly listening to russian "sports scientists" talking about this and that factor and drawing fancy diagrams on the board, they were of course, distracting them from the real reason their athletes were doing better than everyone else: the early adoption of anabolic steroids.

so strenght really matters in sprinting right ?

Also, Its funny how much of a meme the elusive "soviet sports science" is to this day. It seems to be used to bolster belief more than anything. I once saw some internet experts talking about how the "east germans" had "proven" the benefits of OL weightlifting and explosive weight training for athletes... Funny that, considering the east germans never did weight training other than the people competing in weightlifting, did not believe in weight training for athletes, in contrast to the USSR which regarded it as general physical preparation for all sports.

True, I was thinking about stuff you do in a weight room, for general activities plyometrics are supposed to be the best you could do , but I never tried to do them myself so cant say too much about it

>but overall muscle strength helps you sustain that speed over time.
idiot

Sprinters are developing their power.

Power is the aspect of fitness where muscles contract at maximum strength as fast as possible. The two components (speed and strength) are trained separately then plyometrics is used to train power.

>This is completely wrong, you use the same muscle fibers with explosive strength training as you do with short distance sprinting
No. See Jamaicans. Bolt does 3 sets of 15 because he has to. He doesn't even squat.

>do vertical jump correlates sprinting speed ?
A bit, but not much. Horizontal movement is different.

Underrated post. All of this is true.

Another number from Bondarchuk: ~1.5xBW (I think it was 1.6xBW iirc) bench is enough even for shot putters. That is the point where added max strength isn't useful anymore.

>in contrast to the USSR which regarded it as general physical preparation for all sports.
The US is like that now. And woe to you if you dare doubt that dogma.

Was there actually ever a real comparison between resistance trained athletes and non-resistance trained athletes?

except it does affect them
what's more there's a sort of synergy between muscular arms/shoulder and sprint, arm movement is very important and due to momentum or whatever it feels like it gives you an extra pull
. ex-sprinter

You don't think steroids affect the fast twitch muscle fibers?

Since fucking when is a heavy bench explosive?

what were your times and would you dare to explain what do you mean ?

Did he bench it the retarded sprinter way or regular?

lifting is absolutely controlled by fast twitch muscles even if you aren't doing it as fast as you can.

When you can bench 400lbs, it becomes extremely easy to throw 135lbs at the ceiling.

>if they dont change the amount of FT fibers
You will never increase the amount of fibers you have, you will only ever increase their size/capacity for certain things.

You are so fucking wrong it's not even funny.

The whole reason men are stronger than woman is because we have way more type II-A and (especially) II-B muscle fibers which are FT muscle fibers. Also we have ~60% more upper body muscle mass.

Strength training absolute does help for sprinting. Not even this, it IS needed. If he wouldn't have the upper body muscles he has, he would fall while sprinting since his upper body would not have enough strength to withhold the raw strength of his legs.

Also, reflexes are also controlled by FT and FT can always form to ST but ST can never be deformed to FT muscle fibers. Since we loose muscle fibers with age, old people have shitty reflexes and you don't see 100year old sprinters but 100year old marathon runners.