Stalling on lifts

>stalling on lifts
>eat more
>gain a bunch of fat
>eat less
>stall harder and feel even worse
what do you even do

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Fast

C A R D I O

Maybe the sleep is to blame?

i don't use alarms so i am sleeping as much as my body says i need

SS+GOMAD

What's your programming look like?

Running a basic ppl routine
Push:
5x5 bench/ohp alternating days
3x8 ohp/bench opposite of above
3x8 db fly
5x15 tri pushdown
5x15 lat raises
5x15 overhead tri extension
5x15 bent over lat raises
Pull:
5x5 DL/barbell row alternating days
3x8 lat pulldown
3x8 seated rows
5x15 face pulls
3x8 hammer curls
3x8 regular curls
Legs:
5x5 squat
3x8 RDL
3x8 leg press
I dont do as much legs because theyre already disproportionately big from years of walking 2+ hrs a day as a fatty

PPL is not something you're supposed to progress on.
fuck so many brainlets think you can only get big on hypertrophy.

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You're retarded.

First of all, if you want to improve your lifts, you need to have good programming

What I suggest you do now

Cut until you're lean. Honestly, you'll say "But I'll lose all my strength" You might lose a bit, but there's no point in lifting weights if you just end up being fat. Cut until you're reasonably lean, like 10-12% bf. Some people might even tell you to not settle for anything more than 10% as you might gain up to 2% while bulking, but this is of course very individual and should depend on what you want.

After your cut is finished, start a 300 cal surplus, try and have low to moderate amounts of fat, high carb (complex carb tho) LOW sugar and LOW sodium and high protein.

Do a well programmed strength program and add accessories to it.

1/3/5 Boring But Big is a good choice.
NSuns

Anything with high volume and a clear progression and programming is good.

PPL is alright, but just lifting weights with no clear programming/progression is kind of retarded, because you don't know how to increase weights/what to hit/how to rest properly.

Rest a week.

>PPL is not something you're supposed to progress on.
>Two of the intermediate programs are PPL

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Guess what? Lifting without steroids is a complete meme and you won’t see gains till you beat your fear about pinning testosterone in your Ass cheek

All of this fucking wrong.

The part for beginners is alright, but if you're anything beyond beginner level you need A LOT more volume than ANY of the programs besides the advanced ones specify.

You might just have to lift harder, or get a better program
Is cluttered with way too much extra shit. E.g. a push day with
5x5 bench
3x8 dumbbell ohp
3x8 cable crossover
3x8 weighted dip
Would already be better than what you currently do. Better to do a pre-existing program though.
Anyways, is 100% based and redpilled advice, do what he says.

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training complexity is a meme. you dont need complex training. what you need is consistent training and not overdo the intensity

Most of /plg/ are natty and strong as fuck.
Only IG bodybuilding is a waste of time as a natty.

I wasnt lifting aimlessly, the idea was to progress 5lb/session upper, 10 lower. Ive been lifting for about 8 months now, followed SS for 5 and then switched to ppl, cutting the whole time trying to get out of hideous droopy fat fuck mode. But surely i shouldn't be stalling at fucking 1pl8 bench?
When do you stop being a beginner? Ive been lifting for 7 months.
Guess i'll take out some of the accessories on each day

deload your 5x5 10-20lbs. do 4x5 and on fifth set get as many reps as you can leaving at least one in the tank.
if you get at least 3 extra (total of 8) go up in weight. once you can no longer get more than 1 extra on last set progress to 4x3 with amrap on last set

Go to bed before 10 to gain maximum Growth Hormone. It's produced the most between 11pm-2am.

I sleep 9-4:30

Pretty sure all.of the estrogen from being a fatty as a teen fucked me permanently anyway