Lifestyle habits that cause depression

Unproductive is really a personal thing. You know if it’s unproductive.

>using any form of non anonymous social media
posted here, hmmmmm

What even is an unproductive hobby? It's simply a personal opinion, I'm not even defending my own lifestyle but I go to the gym and view it as no more productive than playing path of exile or any other game which has rpg elements where you can grind and change numbers. You change your strength attribute and social standing whilst releasing chemicals that make you feel better. Please tell me what a productive hobby is as I'm yet to have or partake in one.

As for escapism, why would you not want to escape from what you see every day?

As soon as you turn the videogames off you're in the same place as you started. They are fine for children because they provide stimulation.

Can you read retard

>browsing Jow Forums

I understand the argument that going to the gym literally changes your body and is real and tangible, however I feels it's just as much escapism as videogames, I go, I lift heavy, I release chemicals, I feel good for the rest of the day and then start to feel worse as time goes on and the effects wear off.

grinding an rpg might give you a dopamine release but you're not actually doing anything productive because no tangible benefit comes from it

look at it from an evolutionary perspective, the only time you would get a dopamine release equivalent to that of grinding a video game is when you found some fruit or killed a mammoth or had sex or something else that would help you survive, increase social standing, or produce offspring

I play video games as well but in the end it's the same as a drug, makes your brain release chemicals that make you feel good while you're not doing something that furthers your position as a human

>social isolation
This is debatable. Everything else I agree with.

>non anonymous social media
>non anonymous

Basically everything I do causes problems. Every little thing. I've never made the right choice. Every action I've ever taken, every decision I've ever made, was the worst possible one.

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Bullshit it's debatable. I don't see anyone with social isolation who isn't depressed. Like for me, social isolation in my teenage years ended up ruining my entire life

>It damaged me so it must have done so to everyone in a similar situation
Since were using anecdotal evidence, I'll use myself as an example.

I'm a loner, with borderline schizoid adaptions. None of my shit moods have ever stemmed from isolation.

What even is an unproductive hobby?
Any hobby that revolves around consuming media.

Thanks, you've convinced me to stop playing Granblue Fantasy.

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>being madly in love for years with that girl who never was into you

not using anecodtal evidence, ive just never seen or heard of anyone who lives socially isolated and isnt depressed

A wife and kids is important too. Most of the emptiness young men feel is because they aren't fulfilling their biological prerogative. You need to find a woman who honors your role as man of the family. There's nothing that gives a man more confidence in himself and satisfaction in life.

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>not using anecdotal evidence
>Like for me...
>I've never seen...
ok

The point is, never having "seen or heard" of anyone like this doesn't mean they don't exist, especially when you consider they're indistinguishable from other neurotypicals. Again, just because you can't cope with isolation doesn't mean others can't.

>social isolation
I think it can cause depression, though at the same time I think if you can come to enjoy it you can overcome depression. Thats at least how it worked out for me.

How do I get past the hump in the workday without an energy drink? I can do it, but I don't feel like I'm giving it my all anymore.

Stop drinking energy drinks and you won't get a midday hump. Also fasting. If I want to be productive all day I just go OMAD until dinner time.

>Again, just because you can't cope with isolation doesn't mean others can't.
Just because some people can cope with isolation doesn't mean that the majority can. We know there are always a few exceptions to a rule you don't have to point it out to us.

>have seen/heard of countless people where social isolation causes them great pain, depression and misery
>b-b-b-but see i have a legit psychological disorder and i can deal with it therefore you're wrong because NOT LITERALLY EVERY PERSON SUFFERS FROM IT

you are literally me

Social isolation =/= poor social skills.

I can talk to any stranger on the street or at a social gathering with ease. I got invited to parties very often and I am quite popular in my neighborhood and among my relatives. But I always choose to be alone whenever I can to avoid unnecessary social bullshit.

Here is a truth about human nature. Nobody would be happy if he realizes that he is mogged by somebody else. And if this happens, the mogged guy will try to bring other people down to regain his social status. That's how office bullying, social pressure, work politics ..... occur. Bragging, backstabing, bullying, gossip ... happen all the time.

There are many psychological studies showing that, no matter successful, rich, beautiful .. one person is, he can only be happy if he feels that he is slightly better than his friends, neighbors, coworkers, relatives... No matter how you try, you will consciously or unconsciously compare yourself to other people. And social isolation can protect you from this.

I've seen weak people breaking down from office drama; a kid back in my high school nearly committed suicide because he could not handle bullying, miserable beta men who are laughing stocks of their so-called "friends".

The trick is to be confident and good social awareness. And you can be perfectly fine with social isolation.

You may just be thirsty. Drink some water and see how you feel. Take a brief walk. Fake it til you make it.

>he can only be happy if he feels that he is slightly better than his friends, neighbors, coworkers, relatives...
Really? A human being can only feel happy if it is comparing it self to someone else and ends up better than them on that comparison?

To add to this, all these things take place simply to increase your odds of having kids. If you want a biologically objective purpose to life, it's to have kids, and anything that doesn't help you achieve that is a waste of time.

what in the fuck are you rambling about you moron. so you're saying that social isolation is actually good because it protects you from bullying in real life?

you're a complete moron. social isolation is frequently a RESULT of people getting bullied, brought down by others, and insulted and a likely cause of depression. i dont know how the hell social isolation causing depression sparked this idiotic rant from you

Likewise for women. It's no wonder there are SO MANY girls 18-22 obsessed with travel and searching for meaning and purpose. Because biologically they should already be well into starting a family at that time. But they're not. And they've been told that they're far too young to have kids. So they go around looking for SOMETHING to give them meaning.

What a fucking shame.

if you honestly think 18-22 year old women should all be mothers by this point you're a mongoloid

>Hundreds of thousands of years of human mating patterns is wrong
>The past 50 years of women not having children young and instead focusing on meaningless shit like travel and their career while the birthrate goes below replacement is the right path!

Don't understand how people think like you honestly. I can only assume from a lack of knowledge.

You may try to deny it but this is the truth. That's why you should never stop improving yourself. And social isolation is not as bad as you think because it will help you focus on comparing you with yourself only.

After all, the two basic needs of human are to survive and to reproduce. And to do so, you need to be better than other people. A new building, a bridge to cross a river, a voyage toward a new land, a new invention, a long ass book .... The very first reason that these things were created was that some guy just wanted to prove to the world that he was better than other people.

If you are social aware, you will notice that in any social gathering, people always try to show off their best qualities. And mogging, bullying, backstabbing, gossiping ... happen subconsciously.

And that is also why facebook and social media cause depression. These things accentuate this deep, unconscious trait of human nature, that we are always comparing ourselves with other people. And on facebook or instagram, people always show their best moments and pictures.

chill down son. If you have to be so angry and have to call names toward a stranger on an anonymous forum, I cannot imagine what would you be in real life.

Im already 33 years old from a third world country. Im just be here to have some fun while grinding in my office and practice my English.

What I mean is that social isolation does not cause depression, but poor social skills and lack of social awareness do.

If you have lived enough and interact with many other people, especially salesmen and politicians and those in the entertainment industry, you will eventually understand what I mean.

>women should not be going to college, they should not be traveling, they should not be getting jobs, they should be doing nothing besides being pregnant teenage mothers

kill yourself you fucking incel

he's right though you stupid fucking libtard

playing video games is like eating candy

Did you actually read my question? I asked if the ONLY way for a human to feel happy was if it where to compare it self to someone else and come out favorably in that comparison, i asked you if mogging was the only way a person feels happy.

You didn't answer my question. The reason i asked that question was just to point out that even though there is a competitive element to human existence, human beings also have other motivations and emotions and the drive or the will to power is not the only drive human beings have. If you look around you and all you see is competition and mogging then you are probably still incorporating that element of human nature in to your outlook on human nature and you have to realize that there are more to social relationships then that and that people also want to get along, want to co-operate, they want to be understood, feel belonging, feel purpose, love, camaraderie, connection, just having a good time and all that. Competition is part of existence and its a nasty truth but there is still good and i don't think choosing to be alone to protect your self from that is a healthy response and that perhaps if you are seeing mogging everywhere the one place where you might not see it is in your behavior and how when you enter social situations you try hard to mogg others and you create competition and hostility in others which is why you see it so often. That was my case at least. I was way more happy and content before i was aware of all this redpilll shit and tried to be more alpha then everyone. I also noticed that when i chilled more out other people chilled out more around me and when i did not respond to their attempts and taking stabs they just stopped doing it and life became better.

>And that is also why facebook and social media cause depression.
Probably something to that.

this

social isolation is really fucking bad for people.

4/5

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It’s crazy how much better I feel mentally after lifting after a long time of not lifting or excercising (one week for example)

Not being active definitely causes some
Kind of build up of nervous energy IMO. Fucks with my head

How do I work on the social isolation part if I don't have any friends?

She claims that, I have my doubts.

Not like that matters at the end of the day though. She saw me at my absolute lowest, I waited too long and in the end, she didn't feel the same way about me. So now I lift and work and wait for the next girl, and I won't be putting up with my bullshit excuses that time.

The debt treadmill and being touch less is gonna make me kill myself desu.

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To put it another way, social media with karma, likes, hearts, etc. You become a rat in a Skinner Box, engaging in worthless behaviors in exchange for even more worthless virtual rewards. Closest thing here is a (you).

Ok Bois I'm here to admit I was depressed as fuck for the last year . This is what I've done to get better.

>Move out from parents to avoid stress and conflict and to be able to think straight
>I hated running but I'm a sack of potatoes cardio wise so I installed a mobile app called 10K - it's couch to 5000meters run then after to 10k m - 3 times a week Mon/Wed/Fri
>keto diet to cut for 3 months at least - Cooking fresh all the time, lost 4kg first 2 weeks
>press up challenge on Tue Thur Sat see pic related (started on week 3)
>Talking to new room mates and meeting their friends, staying in touch with family, FeelsStrongMan.jpg
>instead of drinking I smoke weed on the weekend, and I stopped smoking cigarettes all the time - now maybe have 1 or 2 casuals after my responsibilities at night to chill
>Nofap.exe launched 6 days ago in order to focus more on goals and stop getting lazy and delusional

Ok bros we are all going to make it no exceptions. All you have to do is change every single shit habit you have and change it to something more productive that offers the same reward. This will teach you disciple which will be handy to stay on track regarding all your goals

Good luck fren

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Blue-pilled. Sad.

Productive hobbies change as you do them. Lifting makes you stronger. The piano lets you play better and better music. House carpentry gives you a nicer house. Imagine if you had 100 years in a hyperbolic time chamber to do one hobby. When you come back out, if you tried art you would be a master, if you played games you would have a bunch of really high level characters. Not that unproductive hobbies are forbidden, but people enjoy and need the feeling that they're getting somewhere in life.

Depends whether you seek social isolation or not, for me actually having to meet people would probably feel worse than being alone

>using Jow Forums
I'm 100% serious, there is an infinite number of roads towards eventual happiness, but they all start with geting the fuck off this brainwashing hell site and never coming back

>you won't get a midday hump
Lies. There are several different sleeping patterns, and while everyone gets an afternoon slump, some get it worse.
Instead of using chemicals, you can use willpower. Everyone in the American military at least knows what I'm talking about, but many of you are sois and cowards and have never had to force themselves to be aware while being forced to stand for 4 hours after 3 days of 1-hour sleep.
Dont' you gym fags use will to force adrenaline? If not, why are you even lifting?

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Depression is chemical imbalance and has nothing to do with lifestyle or personal choices

fucking so based
don't engage fantasy do-good faggots. They are beyond hope based loner.

Bullshit.

Porn is healthy..

Women love porn. Men love porn. Porn teaches you how to enjoy sex without any shame and that is awesome.

/thread

You dispelled your own argument with the first sentence you made kek. Think about it.

Besides then you can argue any form of healthy self improvement that requires you to get out of your comfort zone = escapism, which is besides the point.

Porn is degenerate jewish trash and does not represent what I truly want.

Someone that cares about me.

this fag gets it

Obesity is cellular imbalance and has nothing to do with lifestyle or personal choices

Jow Forums is the best website.

It doesn’t have to ruin your entire life, its not like your life is over and you can’t change anything about it anymore

based

>Because I was a faggot everyone else must be a faggot too

Reading is beneficial. Unlike playing video games or watching television.

No one will ever care about you.

>being in the military

>chemical imbalance
>nothing to do with lifestyle
Did you even think about what you posted?
t. used to be a depressed faggot and not anymore

He's right tho

Time you enjoyed wasting wasn't wasted

t. skank

>The piano lets you play better and better music
Yeah I disagree here. Learning instruments isn't much better than playing video games. There's a very slim chance that you'll become a musician by playing instruments at home, unless you went to music school etc. That chance is actually similar to becoming a video game streamer. It's worthless.

I'm so addicted to porn it's ridiculous. I've been watching since 13.

I thought getting a gf would help, but no. Sex and fapping to porn are two separate experiences for me. The dopamine reward pathway my brain reaches each time I fap must be strongly rooted in there.

Thank you Rabbi

LITERALLY DO ALL OF THESE. IF I STOP WILL I BE BETTER? I CAN DO EVERYTHING EXCEPT NO 1.

thank you katie

Being jewish kind of uh has nothing to do with it.. we should get over the past its irrelevant now

Porn literally kills my desire to have sex with a real woman

>tfw 34 year old khv

>no friends, socially isolated
>i lift pretty regularly, but don't do cardio
>i sleep 6 or 7 hours a day, consistently go to sleep at midnight
>i'm on noporn right now because some days i do watch a lot
>my diet is poor, a lot of fast food

>i don't drink
>i do buy my lunches typically
>don't drink energy drinks
>have no social media (no friends)

stopping everything here is possible for me, except for the social isolation one. where do i begin with this, i have no social skills

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Depression makes me do those things, not the other way around. When I’m not depressed I’m extremely social, work out, eat healthy etc.

Try Meetup.com
Join a bunch of groups in your area for things that seem remotely interesting.
>Weekly trivia
>Jogging group
>Book club
>Gardening group
>Hiking group
>Board games group
>20's and 30's group
>swing dance
>Contra dancing
>Geocaching

Just spam-join them all and start attending. Most of us seem to struggle with initiating basic social connections, fortunately, something like Meetup does that for you. Go and get practice talking to people without being a sperg. With any luck, you'll get the hang of it and make a few friends with whom you can interact without the crutch of a social media website.

videogames provide mental stimulation, they're brain boosters. stfu

There are people who hate gym but they still do. I don't know how much of a brainlet you have to be to not understand it isn't simply a hobby but something that actuality gives you benefits in a dozen different ways

how do I overcome the wageslave 2pm lethargy? and how come I always manage to go to sleep way too late despite coming home exausted?

you only need a few good friends, then just build from there. That's all the advice I can really give, most of the people I befriended were friends of my siblings.

I do.

unironically d&d. you'll find a thousand retards there, but also some really cool fucking bros.

College travel and a job are fine but not if that’s your whole life. Same applies to men sweety