Guys, talk me out of roids, please

Ask me how I know you have no idea about taking PED

OP, you go for it. Do your homework, study your shit, cut down to 12% body fat, then start a cycle of test-E, steer clear of SARMS, steer clear of tren for now.

Ask me how I know you will tell yourself anything to justify your addiction

Why would you steer clear of SARMS (besides cost)?

Pathetic you'd even consider it. If you're one of those dudes who lifts because he wants to look like a guy in a super hero movie, you can't be saved. You'll look like shit with the roids too. You're too weak for this.

The fact you're asking this means you've done absolutely zero research.

If you're the type of lazy guy who wants a 30 second answer on /fit instead of spending hours reading up on the subject, good luck.

If you roid you will likely get one of these three
>Premature balding
>Gyno
>Shrunked testicles

You've been warned

No need to roid, I'm bigger than him and I'm 6'4, natty, although 18% bf

just train hard and eat a lot and you'll grow

I want to start and plan to, basically to only be at the size of Hemsworth in OPs gif related but also to reap the social dominance benefits of being high test but I worry that I’m gonna end up getting too addicted and going freakmode.

I’m asking because I have done my research brainlet. They’re not going to give gains like roids will, but from everything that’s been studied so far, the side effects aren’t nearly as bad. PCT, some moderation, and bloodwork tests will mean you’ll be absolutely fine

>boost your test for a couple months
>now it's lower than before
Why would you this to yourself?

Oh it's this logic again where you'll magically just cycle off and be able to maintain this look. You won't. You'll need to be on cycle for this and you'll cycle so much all you'll do is look forward to being on gear and eventually you'll be young and dependent on pharmaceutical companies for testosterone or else you're a woman now. The logic is so broken. Also 90% of the reason he looks great is because of his genetics dude. Go find 50 pics of guys his height, weight, and bf% and he'll still look better.... which is why he's an actor and you're a loser in the gym trying to look like him for "social dominance" LOL. Guys on gear are insecure by definition, you won't be dominating anyone by adding 2 inches to your arms and losing bf. 40lbs less real man that isn't a total bitch will still mog you in public.

Cost?

This guy is not a body builder so he wouldn't need that much juice anyway.

>im fatter than him

who cares, if I dieted down to 10% bf I would still be slightly bigger than him, you don't need to roid for his size

You can do it natty, just become black. But juice your shit up, king. Nobody cares

Wow where’s this really coming from user? Sort yourself out bro. Anyway you’re assuming too much but I get that you’ve probably also seen a lot of guys say they’re gonna just do one cycle. That wasn’t my intent. I meant to cruise for life. And by social dominance I was referring to the increased drive and energy to pursue the things I want to in life. It makes it easy mode. But back to you, I hope you do sort out whatever is troubling you. The amount of time I’ve been here you actually made top 5 angriest anons, good luck on fixing yourself.

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Steroids are magic and will grow muscle but you dudes WAY overestimate what you will look like when you come off the cycle and live in real life again. You will look nothing like you did on cycle, your levels will never be optimal again, you'll end up back on gear because you already tainted yourself, then the multiple cycles will leave you looking like a dick weed, then you'll be on TRT and drug dependent for life, you will have an enlarged heart/ prostate etc, you'll very likely go bald WAY sooner than you should have, you're at risk for endless complications later in life and will probably die younger, the only dudes who love lifting will know you're on gear and won't respect you anyways, etc this goes on forever.

You'll end up that lonely (all of them) roided idiot who doesn't even like lifting for all the great parts anymore. You'll just get a pump on cable and hammer strength machines like the rest of them do to avoid injury and then leave. You will have risked and harmed your body to hold 20lbs more muscle and less bf FOR WHAT? this shit is nauseating to even have to explain to a supposed grown man. You wanna be heavier and more ripped so bad, do it.

You dumb assholes live in fantasy land and compare yourselves to gym rats on roids. In real life a natty who trains and isn't a twink absolutely dwarfs regular people. I'm natty and every single person I know in real never shuts up about my physique, random people talk to me about it all the time and it gets so old. Lose your most dysmorphia or lose other, more important things over the long run. Good luck dumb fuck.

Just do it. Being natty isn't particularly anything to be proud of. Natural has its limits and steroids help you break them. It depends entirely on your goals whether you should do them. If you want to look like Chris Hemsworth as peak Thor, then the average person will probably need roids to achieve it.

Dyel natty cope: the post

To be fair I’d use steroids for athletic performance only.

>hot
Fag detected

/thread

That is the stupidest post I've ever read.

Lmao this dude is considering blasting and cruising for life because he wants to look like a guy in a super hero movie. You sound like a 21yo jerk off. Go for it.

If
Sure thing dyel

The fact that most people who roid 90% of time never go back untill it's to late with sides
The fact that using roids is like using any other drug, you can't cope with reality and think a drug is going to fix you
Roiding is really mentally ill for people with low self-esteem who can't cope with life. I've had people who were on roids think I was on roids when I've never touched the shit just because of my lean muscle and low bf%

>lifts because he wants to look like a guy in a super hero movie
What's wrong with that?

Not blasting, just cruising but more like high dose trt. Anyway like I said the whole reason I haven’t is because I can tell I’ll get addicted like most guys do. Who knows, maybe I’ll just do a few cycles and keep most of the size since I’m no where near my limit yet.

You'll be on it for life after cruising on trt doses for months on end. Do you understand that? You will not keep gains from 3 cycles unless you're totally untrained and shouldn't be doing this anyways. You're so lost. This is pointless and idc what you short sighted retards do to yourselves. Have at it, I'm outta this poisonous place.

>doesn't see a problem with becoming life long drug dependent for testosterone to act like a child trying to look like an actor who played thor. No foresight. CAN'T. BE.SAVED.

whoa, look "holier than thou" natty coping and projecting ITT

Holier than thou? Are you 12 years old???? I done want this gut kicking himself for being 26yo and having to have his gf pick up his testosterone from thr pharmacy so he can maintain his GENDER. Holy fuck everyone, not wanting to depend on exogenous test FOR LIFE it's natty cope. This place.

have sex roiding incel

Easy. Most girls don't prefer the roid look. It's always been the athletic guys that clean up over the roid freaks. The look you want should be achievable without roids...not to say a lot of those guys with that look *didn't* roid to get there (actors, etc) but they're also working on a much tighter schedule than you. You shouldn't have to.

Roid blackpill #2: if your genetics aren't right for it, you won't look much better even with roids anyway. They can't change your insertions. It's arguable if roids are worth it for most guys even if they do get the look they're after; if you won't they're definitely not.

>beta finds a way to have testosterone
>you tell him to stop
What did you think would happen?

Different guy, but I HAVE spent hours researching and I disagree. IF you go in with the right expectations of results, understand the possible sides and how to deal with/manage them, and buy raws from a reputable source and make your own solutions SARMs can be a worthwhile addition to good training and dieting. They don't hold a candle to roids but (in my opinion) have a better cost/benefit breakdown and can be way cheaper.

But I know this guy isn't gonna do his research so whatever you do do not buy SARMs in pill form and for the love of God keep your dosages low.

Don't PCT. If you're going to use a SERM, do so at a low dosage along with the SARM, probably starting week 2 or 3 of the cycle.

you go on juice for life or you don't go on at all.

choose wisely

this is basically the only correct post itt. if you take roids you are literally retarded unless your job requires fitness. i.e., you're a movie star or jeff "natty" cavalier rich guy youtube man. if youre just some shmuck who works a 9-5 roiding is so fucking stupid its beyond comprehension. you are shaving off 25yrs from your lifespan and very very likely forcing your self into a position of permanent need for steroids

youre letting a coping roid-cel rile you up dude. addicts will do anything to justify their mistakes. anything.

I very clearly understand it, I said like twice that it’s something I don’t want to be dependent on for life. Not sure why you homos are getting so bent out of shape just from talk. Saying “I’d LIKE to use gear, ideally this is how it would go.” Is totally different from “I’m GOING to use gear and it will go perfectly for me.” Jesus Christ and I thought most here were social retards before.

Also I’m not totally untrained, I’m coming back from a 2 year hiatus after 4 years lifting straight. Probably can still outlift you actually.
>I’m outta this poisonous place.
If that’s were true you’d have left the first time you said that. Haha you’re stuck here dork

Also seeLmao whoa dude it’s not this serious. Grow up man.

>dude tries to help you not develop a synthetic dependency to maintaim your masculinity
>woah dude grow up lol wut?
Yeah, you were born to roid. Already have the dependency I'd guage.

Hey fraudsters I have a question. Once you come off from a test cycle or a test/turinabol cycle with proper PCT, do your strength and endurance gains stay? I don’t give a shit about the body, I just want to train martial arts longer.

>dude can’t read for shit
Lol

youre fucking retarded
>t. 31 year old dude

of course not. the bitch tits balding enlarged heart though. those stay

T. 24 year old Who could forcibly sexually violate your decrepit boomer ass

i own guns

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At least the roids will stop your nervous beta laughter for a few months out of the year.

Nobody gives a shit what you look like as long as you aren't a disgusting lardass. They will, however, start thinking you are a narcissist if you overtrain. Appearance is really not a big deal for men beyond a basic point. Beyond that focusing on it becomes a weakness.

As do I. But just you saying that, ask me how I know you’re an actual beta cuck?
H-haha

Have you been on gear?

Have you?

Surgery.
Hopefully gonna do the same one day, myself.

No but I’d like to see your opinion on this. Why would endurance athletes use this shit?

Yeah and your fear mongering bullshit that you literally pulled from your local news is showing, you know nothing about the subject and I recommend leaving the thread. Make comments that brash in real life and I'd beat you into a fucking pulp right on the spot, but your lucky your hiding behind an anonymous tag

>Nobody gives a shit what you look like as long as you aren't a disgusting lardass
As a formerly attractive guy I can tell you're a full of shit. You can't even imagine how different people act when you're beautiful.

I'm far from even needing to consider juicing, but I never would just because I'm afraid of acne. Finally got my skin cleared up after 10+ years of it, wouldn't ever risk fucking it up again.

I've been surounded by gear almost the entire time ive been lifting and ran a sustanon 250 once a week cycle for 10 weeks. Yes I'm fine now. No bad sides. But I wish I had never done it. Even at such low levels. Because looking good isn't my career. It's a side effect of being stronk and healthy. Sure try it. Im no hypocrite. Just do your fucking research.

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What comment and wtf are you talking about? Sounds like this thread is russling the insecure roiders hard. Just come to terms, you fucked up.
>says things like "beat you to a pulp"
>implies the internet is all that stops him from kicking anyone's ass

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>can't find steroids
>can't get to pharmacy/in any situation at all under the sun that he can't get his meds that make him a man
>literally drug dependent for his masculinity
>talks about beating people's asses on the internet and fancies himself a tough manly man

10/10 would read roid rant again

post body homo

Post more insecure roid rants, best part of this thread so far

COME BACK TO US

there are faster ways to KILL YOURSELF, literally

>admits to steroid use
>talks admit kicking ass if not online
>doesn't know how to use your/you're

Actually I think correlation does equal causation

>people actually threatening to beat up others in a fucking gym thread
you stupid niggers

I had a friend in d3 football who did a pure test-e cycle and he looked pretty jacked, and lots of older guys do TRT so you actulaly dont even have to go full blown steroids if you just want to look jacked

I was wonder when the stormfaggots would come derail this thread.

I did 1 cycle of test over a year ago. All my lifts shot up like crazy and I gained about 15lbs. Once I came off, It took me 6 months of "natty lifting" to get back to my "peak strength" while I was on cycle. I had a net gain of 6lbs, menaing when I dropped the water weight of test I had gained 6 pounds of muscle and it's still there and I'm stronger now than I was peak strength on the cycle. I had low energy for like two weeks after the cycle and my libido was normal in 6 weeks.

He's right. You don't keep any gains after gear. Only dumb fuck DYELs believe stuff like that. I did gear for 3 years straight, blast and cruising. That was 4 years ago, I never stopped lifting and still look ok but I'm the same weight as before I started gear. You keep nothing. I have a decent structure so I look good in a tanktop even off gear but if you're one of these insecure gears who needs steroids to feel confident then it needs banging into your brain that steroids are temporary vanity. Rented muscles. If you're 170lbs when you start you will be 170lbs a year after you come off.

A lot of roiders fool themselves that they kept their gains because they do 3 months of PCT drugs (which are PEDs in their own right) and never actually go off EVERYTHING for any long time.

this body isnt even impossible to do natty. guaranteed guy in pic is natty anyway

Why share your opinion when you are obviously clueless? If you haven't done gear yourself or achieved a physique as good or better than that YOURSELF then shut the fuck up.

Yeah no shit. I never said at any point, go ahead and try to find where I said it itt I’ll suck your balls and pay you 5 grand if you can, that you keep the size gained while blasting. But since you brought it up, if you cycle correctly(including pct) and know how to train and eat right you can keep a lot of the gains. If you start at 170lbs (assuming 6’ for arguments sake) you’ll probably be 190-200lbs a year after coming off so long as you keep training the same. You sound like one of the retarded 19 year olds you just hops on with no prior research and a shit diet and then blames his genetics when he stops abruptly and loses everything like he deserves.

Exactly. No one ever permanently comes off everything for 1-2+years and sees them come back down to earth. Everyone does another cycle and thinks because they held onto half of it for 6 months between cycles then it means they can keep it indefinitely. You can't. And now your natty levels are lower and its it's a net loss.

I do notice former roiders still have big shoulders though. But they aren't that impressive and worth steroids, just a little more capped forever. Everything else leaves ime

>Impossible natty
>mfw you can't afford a roid cycle
Your fatass wasn't made for it

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>pic related impossible natty
Lol?

do it dude

long-term you may experience excess blood, high blood pressure, high LDL. These can be managed.

It's better to live life on your terms and die at age 75 of a heart attack then to live like a faggot sheep who avoids the sun and anything with potential harm.

Also HCG will bring your balls back if you want to have kids. People on TRT use hcg weekly for this purpose if they want to have a family.

>not impossible
For most people it is, and for those where it is possible you are looking at like 6-10 years of extremely strict training.
>guy is natty
Guy is a professional actor so no he absolutely isnt.

>You don't keep any gains after gear.

That's fucking wrong though.

People who have done testosterone have a permanent advantage over those who have never done it.

No, you don't keep everything, but you don't lose every single bit of it either.

Mate, it's not worth it. Just lift and you'll look good eventually, on top of being actually healthy.