What does Jow Forums think of MMA training?

user I really appreciate the response. One question I have is why do you do bjj if the cost on the body is so much?

It is probably the most fun I've had in a really long time

>One question I have is why do you do bjj if the cost on the body is so much?
Combination of factors.
I love physical movement in all forms, martial arts are a great way to express that.
It's one of the few social groups I feel like I can fit into.
Feels good to know how to defend myself if something happens and I don't have a weapon on me.
It's fun and extremely rewarding to drill new techniques and then use them in live sparring.

I don't believe that it has to be hard on the body, but it takes wisdom to practice it safely. For instance, trying to train 5-7 times a week is probably not going to work. I tried it and the cumulative fatigue made me useless when sparring, plus I got a skin infection.
Be willing to say no to training partners who don't respect training safely.
A weird tip is that I don't train when it's raining outside. Rain makes people's heads all foggy and increases risk for injury or getting too egotistical.

The way most people get into trouble is ego (I fall into that trap sometimes too). You can't tough your way out of a heel hook. If you can put that aside and focus on learning the skills, you're good.

>It's one of the few social groups I feel like I can fit into.
Ahh a Joe Rogan fan.

Thanks again user for the in depth response. Have a great day friend.

>*GADOOOSH*

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>Getting injured every couple of weeks
Dude what are you doing? Tap faster

Watch youtubes, drill some basic combos

prime rickson looked great man

prime stipe heems DC

Sometimes I want to get big and then I see someone like Rickson and I think why would I want to get any bigger

Np have fun bro

They teach basic BJJ in the US Army infantry (at least when I was in) and I did Muay Thai for roughly a year. One of my closest friends was doing BJJ at the same gym. I have the following input.

If you're getting injured, you either need to tap faster or the instructors need to do their jobs. The whole point is to not get injured. If you want to spar or roll with someone, that's fine, but you shouldn't be going that hard.

The other thing is that BJJ won't take you nearly as far in a fight as virtually any striking martial art. All these keyboard warriors shouting about all "ALL FITES GO TO THE GROUND" have probably never actually been in a real street fight out of high school.

BJJ is an awesome option if you want to compete someday because you don't run the same health risks in training that you would in Muay Thai or Boxing.

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>give some tips on how to git gud in bjj
Drill. Rolling/Sparring is overrated as fuck. Drill, drill, drill. Drill without resistance, with resistance, drill positions, drill combos, whatever. Drill.

t. asked some Eastern European wrestlers what their secret is. It's drilling

Also, there is this out of print book called "Drill to Win", it's not available anymore and not available on the internet, but it was apparently extremely good and useful. A "How to" on drilling for BJJ, made you a forced to be reckoned with even if you started as a total beginner, from what I heard. A shame.

>Dude what are you doing? Tap faster
Bro, it's super easy to get hurt in BJJ. The only good thing is that it's probably not gonna be brain damage like in boxing or Judo.

>They teach basic BJJ in the US Army infantry (at least when I was in)
They don't anymore since it turned out to be pretty much bullshit irl. I forgot what they are doing now, though.

t. researcher on military close combat

Go a minimum of 4 times a week. 2-3 doesn't cut it when you're starting out.
Go with a basic weight training program to reduce injury, ESPECIALLY squats to strengthen your knees.
Sleep.
Eat healthy, stop drinking/drugs.
Never. Stop. Training. The days when you really don't want to go to class are the most important days for you to go.

You don't have to roll every class. In the beginning you're just doing retarded non-bjj stuff most of the time anyway, you don't know anything. Prioritize drilling frequency (5x per week if you can handle it) over always rolling.

Lose weight if you have to. Use my fitness pal or similar. An extra 20-40 lbs of fat is a huge disadvantage: it impairs your mobility, tires you out, and forces you to roll at a higher weight class, where the similar sized guys are at 10% body fat when you're at 25%. But don't procrastinate starting BJJ because of this, grappling will melt the fat off your body.

Stop caring about sucking, about constantly getting tapped. You're white belt cannon fodder, your role is to be a crash test dummy for the other students, while you learn what the fuck is going on. When you roll, have one small achievable goal: I will get my back to the mat while they RNC me and I'll try to escape; I will try that one mount escape; I will learn to chill under side control and focus on my breathing. Make that your victory, not trying to tap some guy with 1000 hours of mat time.

Finally, make it a point of rolling with smaller, more technical people. Marvel at how they go all John Wick on your ass and murder you repeatedly, when everything you ever learned in life is that *you* should be dominating because you're bigger. Learn to marvel at their ability, use it as inspiration.

>Go a minimum of 4 times a week. 2-3 doesn't cut it when you're starting out.
I always laugh at these modern notions. 3 times a week is plenty. 2 times can work if you know what you're doing.

4-7 times and more is for pros who earn their money that way and mainly just a cliche from Asian martial arts. White people don't need that much training, in my experience.

There's a Gracie quote about it, too, can't find it atm but it was like "3 times a week to improve, 2 times a week to consolidate" or something like that.

See . As a new white belt you'll constantly get injured in minor retarded ways until your body adjusts and you learn how to defend yourself and not spazz. Later on you'll get hurt in other ways, but you wont notice as much or just wont care since BJJ seems to increase your tolerance for pain. Sometimes you'll have multiple things that feel tweaked or just feel "off", usually it's best to train through it while being cautious.

I guess if I thought about it honestly, my old self would interpret the way my body feels right now as how you described it: multiple things feeling sore/torn/strained; I feel kinda fucked up, like I got into a fight. But now I just think of it as how I feel when I do BJJ regularly. If I stop training now it feels weird to feel normal and not in pain somewhere, like something is missing.

Sort of related:
>27
>been lifting about 3 years
>want to get into a combat sport for hobby
>only experience was about a year in a boxing gym when I was 19

Is Tae Kwon-do fun? I want something relatively easy to get into with my gf before branching out into kickboxing/bjj/mma. Is it a good base, or is it just fucking retarded? I see children doing that shit all the time so it can't be too hard right?

Ask the Vietcong ;)

What does hiding in trees and stabbing people have to do with my question

Koreans fucked up the Vietcong pretty good using Taekwondo. The Viets even gave out orders to avoid close combat against Koreans under any circumstance.

I figured 4+ per week so a newbie could have quicker improvement relative to their peers, and get out of the white belt constantly-eating-shit-in-side-control zone faster. It gets fucking demoralizing.

Then again, I'm proprioceptively retarded. I have to practice at least 4x per week or I don't remember sheeeeiiiittttt.

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Sweet as fuck. I'm going to beat the shit out of some vietnamese people once I've obtained my karate skills.

>travel to vietnam in my new robes
>enter nearest sweatshop
>beat the shit out of the supervisor
>the kids cheering because they think the white man freed them using the forbidden karate
>oh no no no
>use the power of taekwondo to subdue them and beat them into even further submission
>force them to make pro taekwondo t-shirts
>taekwondo fucked my mum
>taekwondo fucks my wife
>taekwondo is god, buddha is gay
>they must wear them at all times
>bring shame to their entire country
>taekwondo wins again

You're just training wrong. Or being taught wrong. It happens.

Solution: Drill more. I've been in doubt about drills only for years until the following happened to me:
>Do slip drills from boxing
>Not much, just a bit a few times a week because I thought slipping a punch is awesome
>Some weeks later
>Hold the resistance bands for a pal just starting out
>He's doing standing sit ups, kinda
>Suddenly, he accidentally lets go of the band
>It snaps towards me, had a good amount of tension too
>Think "Well, that's gotta hurt my eyes oh shit oh shit oh shit" in the usual split second before you can react
>Instinctively dodge the band snapping towards me with head movement like a pro
Basically, the slip drills worked perfectly. That made me a believer in drills, even at "just going through the motions" intensity.

Judo or freestyle wrestling for 30-years old boomer?

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What are some good lifts to increase strength for fighting or grappling. I was a weakling all my life but since I started lifting I got a taste for the freedom of feeling more powerful than most dyels out there.
I know technique is everything in fighting but what are some numbers and in what lifts I should be aiming at to have the upper hand in strength against the average man

>What are some good lifts to increase strength for fighting or grappling.
Strength is strength, so no surprising exercises for increasing general strength for fighting - just regular deadlifts, squats, bench presses, rows and pull ups. Some coaches may argue that front squats and romanian deadlifts are better for athletes. From not very common exercises I can recommend only rope climbing.
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And also, here is old soviet article about freestyle wrestling strength training and it suggests to do back and front squats, goodmornings, rows, pull ups, bench presses and curls, all 3x8-10 except curls (3x15-20-25 for them)
sportlib.su/Annuals/Wrestling/1983/p44-47.htm

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Thanks user

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as soon as i learned about asshole grabbing i lost all interest in bjj
not gonna let a guy stick a fuckin finger in my ass

It's an amazing feeling when you get your alignment twisted like a towel by a color belt half your size.

You know you're in trouble when Talking Heads starts singing in your head while you're wondering why the guy on top of you is sliding his lapel under your neck and then only darkness.

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>You may ask yourself
>How did I get here?

>Gruff voice tells you you fucked up a longtime ago.

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>youtube bjj vids

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For a newbie to grappling/BJJ, would gi or nogi be the better option? Also, is crosstraining with wrestling a good idea? And how do I manage lifting intensity while doing BJJ? If I'm looking to train 3x a week, lifting heavy 3x a week as well seems too much.

>bjj 3x per week
>wrestling 1-2x per week
>lifting 3x per week
LMAO loosers, do you have life?

Bjj 2-3x a week, wrestling 1x, lifting 2-3x. Might train twice a day on some days. Time-wise, I'll probably manage

Boxing is way better.
No crouching dragon choke is going to compete with a good overhand right.

Honestly, if you someone grabs you and you don't have a defense then boxing goes out the window. You're also going to cause permenant brain injury to train for some very unlikely scenario.

Wrestling is far better for decent people who live normal lives but like fighting. You won't end up a retard.

No punk is going to throw me in a fight so why would I bother wasting 80$/month on a pyjama

Boxing will always remain superior

>T.researcher on military close combat
Is that another way to say armchair general or military larper?

Whichever is cheaper. Also depends do you want focus on just standup(wrestling) or a mix of standup and groundwork/submissions(judo)

Take it slow. Simple as that.

BJJ tends to work your tendons, which take way more time to develop than muscles. Combine that with the likelihood of white belts spazzing and hurting you, yeah, the first year can be rough.

Start rolling with purple belts and up. Ask to go 70%, focus on flow rolling. Hitting a variety of positions is going to help build your body and will aid you in getting a good defensive game.

>No one will ever grab me
Come on man, even Mike Tyson said he didn't want to go into MMA cause he said he didn't have any ability to deal with someone grabbing him, and he's probably a better boxer than you.

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No gi is better for new guys supposedly although I've heard people say gi can help "refine" your techniques so start with nogi then switch to try it out. Crosstraining is a good idea for any martial art.
Also considering I was running a PHUL program(4 days lifting) +judo 3x a week + a cardio day. You should be fine in terms of recovery, assuming of course you aren't a complete noob in terms of conditioning or over the age of 30.

I have a friend that just returned from basic training and they did three days of grappling training which included closed guard, basic mount escapes, a few chokes, and wrist locks.
LARP more, faggot

Thanks man. How heavy/intense did you lift? I always try to lift too heavy and end up not recovering enough for other things. Right now I'm considering doing either Greyskull LP or some form of PHUL routine, depending on how much time I have. Any recommendations?

BJJ sounds cool till you slip a disc.

How necessary are things like rashguards and compression pants for nogi BJJ? Can I also just train in a shirt and basketball shorts?

Explain how an MMA can who was never a boxer defeated a two time world champion in a boxing match then.

>not knowing streetfights end up on the ground after 10s

I can already tell you're a dipshit, not even worth my time, get a little older or magically boost your iq

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Ive been training for roughly a year and the only injury I've got was jamming my finger into the ground during a scramble. If you don't go crazy and choose partners who also dont go crazy you wont hurt yourself every single week

Shirt and shorts are fine. Its about 50/50 at my gym. I found I just preferred a compression top. Its illegal to grab shorts in no gi although it happens obviously.
Compression gear is nice because it doesnt rub your skin off and allows easier movement on the mat in my op. A rash guard cost like 20 bucks.

For no gi, I would recommend long sleeve rashguard and compression pants. I found out the hard way that exposed skin is more vulnerable to skin infections.

>I forgot what they are doing now
>t. researcher on military close combat

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nobody likes getting waterboarded by someones loose sweaty tshirt

I used to lift somewhat heavy, but my dumbass ended up pulling a muscle trying to squat lmao 3pl8 at 170lbs. Now I'm just doing bitch weight on the lower body lifts. PHUL program worked fine for me, but I have no experience with greyskull and how good it is

That's literally what everyone I bring to the gym says before I take them to the ground lol

I used to do that before I got more into it, but I would recommend getting compression pants, a rashguard, and some shorts to wear over if you feel self conscious. The skin coverage is good for preventing infection and it doesn't get all wet and soggy which is just courteous to your partner.

Thanks guys. I read about some benefits and such, and I just bought a short sleeve rashguard and compression pants. I'll see how they feel, and maybe I'll buy another set in the future.

>implying you'd hold yourself in a fight either on the street or """televised""".

Judo for old boomers.
Wrestling is rougher.