Is your fish oil rancid Jow Forums ?

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virgin dyel supplement shill

there is literally 0 need or even benefit from fish oil consumption if you're eating any ammount of dairy and red meat daily, fish oil is a fucking scam, go shill something else

just eat seaweed capsules, same exact shit just raised outside the ocean, no plastics no mercury, just dha epa

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you can benefit from dha epa if you are bad at converting ala or have a low omega 3 intake, red meat and dairy arent particularly high in omega3 so if you dont chugg lbs of fish per week or eat flaxseeds daily you can somewhat benefit from supplements, but it mostly relates to brain function not muscle growth

>Neither farmed nor wild salmon can be consumed at rates that provide 1 g/d EPA+DHA while maintaining an acceptable level of carcinogenic risk (1 × 10−5), although there are differences (P < 0.0001) in the benefit-risk ratio for carcinogens among wholesale farmed, retail market, and wild salmon. When salmon are consumed at rates that provide 1 g/d EPA+DHA, cumulative cancer risk for farmed salmon is 24 times the acceptable cancer risk level, whereas the cumulative cancer risk for wild salmon is only 8 times the acceptable risk level.
academic.oup.com/jn/article/135/11/2639/4669888
>Every supplement analysed contained PCBs, with a mean concentration of 9 ± 8 ng PCBs/g supplement. When following serving size suggestions, mean daily exposure values ranged from 2.5 to 50.3 ng PCBs/day.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23281830

It contains a lot of retinol, the animal form of vitamin A. It is a highly important vitamin that people don't get enough of because for some reason we stopped eating organ meat. If you get a good amount of vitamin A every day, it will take much more fore you to get sunburnt. Your skin will be in much better healt overall. Theres many other benefits too. DYOR DYEL incel.

oh man what the fuck are we supposed to do bros

Does this mean both is shit?

it means you shouldnt rely on daily fish for dha and epa and rather get it from ala if you can convert and/or from seaweed supplements

>not taking krill oil
>not being krillpilled

>you can benefit from dha epa if you are bad at converting ala or have a low omega 3 intake

define benefit, fish oil consumption isn't even associated with improved markers of health, only when it substitutes certain foods like bacon and butter and vegetable oil
fish oil is however associated with certain types of cancer, and also higher risk of s troke

milk has optimal ratios of essential fatty acids(omega 6 is also essential, in greater ammounts than any omega 3), and even babies are abled to convert certain fatty acids to DHA, in fact that's how they get most of the DHA in their bodies since breast milk has barely any.

fish oil shilling is a scam by an industry that benefits from the selling of food production waste byproducts

>It contains a lot of retinol
define a lot
furthermore retinol is found in meat and dairy, not relevant and not an issue in any normal diet whatsoever you fucking retard
check the vitamin A content of fucking cheese or liver
>It is a highly important vitamin that people don't get enough of because for some reason we stopped eating organ meat
>HUR ORGAN MEATS HAVE A LOT OF VITAMIN A THAT MUST MEAN WE MUST CONSUME FISH OIL
This is you, retard.
>If you get a good amount of vitamin A every day, it will take much more fore you to get sunburnt. Your skin will be in much better healt overall. Theres many other benefits too. DYOR DYEL incel.
Good thing vitamin A is found in all animals and milk then, thanks for your useless post.

nice, i dont agree i think there is a benefit to consuming dha and epa from seaweed, its required for brain function and some people cant convert ala to dha and epa very well. (converstion rate is like 2-4%, so if you arent getting 15g of omega 3 a day). those asociations with cancer is likely from plastic and other contamination in fish.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3286229/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23796946

>Good thing vitamin A is found in all animals and milk then, thanks for your useless post.
So keep GOMADing and cheesing to get your As then. What's even your problem?

>its required for brain function and some people cant convert ala to dha and epa very well
terms like "can't" can't be used here, unless you apply the "very well" addition ofc, which basically makes statements like these useless anyway
>those asociations with cancer is likely from plastic and other contamination in fish.
who knows?
what I know though is that fish oil is exactly 100% not essential, and I don't trust people who defend the use of supplements even when there is a NEUTRAL AT BEST end result from their use.
essential fatty acid deficiency is literally fought off in babies on IVF who are given between 1.5-5g per kilogram of S O Y bean oil.
This is already studied plenty, fish oil supplementation only benefits literal starved children i nterms of avoiding any potential deficiency while at the cost of exposing them to persistant organic pollutants and plastics.
>So keep GOMADing and cheesing to get your As then. What's even your problem?

read my post and the post I'm replying to, you seem a bit lost
I am not the one obsessing over vitamin A and shilling for fucking supplements, I literally said that any diet that is balanced has already plenty of the nutrients found in fish oil.

i was getting at optimal function, but its not essential obviously, but spending 5 aditional bucks a month while keeping a healthy diet is fine for me. i think the studies linked demonstrate that, the people that dont get the supplement perform a bit worse but not detremental.

>I am not the one obsessing over vitamin A and shilling for fucking supplements, I literally said that any diet that is balanced has already plenty of the nutrients found in fish oil.
I got that. My take is that everyone will benefit from more soluble vitamins than they get from their normal "balanced" diet. By "balanced" I mean a diet that doesn't include organ meat. Cod liver oil is a great and easy way to supplement those vitamins

ALA can't meaningfully convert though.

if your möller's has increased amount of vitamin D you should know it has been added to mask the fact it's rancid,
same with added fruit aroma

I don't use the one with extra D, but I don't think it would cover the rancid taste taste anyway. They add vitamin E to slow down the oxidation so it takes longer for it to go rancid. I agree with the fruit aroma. It's a big meme and will mask the rancid taste.

Kudos to both of you guys for having a civilised debate and for both providing sources backing what you claim. I'm reading both of your arguments with a lot of interest right now!

>kudos
Back to pleddit you dumb faggot.

this is indeed the optimal choice.
HOWEVER
You have to have a stronger stomach than me to drink that shit. I swear I have taken all manner of disgusting supplements over the years and cod liver oil is the one thing that defeated me.

>You have to have a stronger stomach than me to drink that shit. I swear I have taken all manner of disgusting supplements over the years and cod liver oil is the one thing that defeated me
I think this is just one of those things you need to get used to. I hated it when I was a kid, but not anymore. Some days I take two tablespoons (2x15ml) and even that doesn't phase me. It don't think it taste good, but almost. Just commit yourself to taking a small teaspoon every morning and evning for a month and you will have no problem with the tast

idk man, I think its ptsd from when I was a kid. I find liver oil's slimyness overwhelming.
But I will try a small dose and see if I can build my tolerance.

if you ever lift weights you will notice omega 3 is good for joint health

A 1:1 ratio of omega 3 and 6 are supposed to be optimal for health if I understand properly. The issue isnt always low omega 3 intake but way too much omega 6 intake relatively speaking.
Or at least thats the understanding I have of the situation

Hell no, ratio should be heavily in favour of omega 3.

the ideal ratio IS 1:1 too much n-3 can also lead to health issues

idk if thats true or not but at the very least it should be 1:1 it probably wont hurt to go past that point though.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12442909

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The ratio is completely irrelevant and it's a theory promoted solely by one Greek chemist/doctor who has been shilling omega-3s and MUFAs for 20+ years, partially funded by the greek olive oil industry, and wrote effectively every "paper" on it (none of which is primary research) The proposed ratios are complete unrealistic fantasy unless you eat a very low fat diet, meticulously plan everything you eat according to LA content or Judy base your fat intake on foods low in PUFAs (olive oil, almonds, dairy fat). Total horse shit

I'm allergic to the stuff I think, damn shame because is does wonders for my skin and hair. Maybe the only supplement that works for me with zero doubt.

I get massive fucking headaches from the stuff though. I've heard that I may be allergic to the capsules but I've tried multiple brands and same thing. Other pills don't do it to me. I've yet to try the liquid straight because jeebus that sounds fucking foul.

so do i buy fish oil caps or not?

should i just be buying liquid?

mind dropping some proof, do you have the name of the guy/ org that benefits?
Also its really not unrealistic if you are eating vegetables meat fish dairy etc.

>what is vitamin E.

Buy it from a reliable source.

But almonds are super high in omega 6. Nigga you just pulling shit outta your ass.

Fish and fish oil is forbidden/restricted towards pregnant women in most civilized countries.

You're poisoning yourself with heavy metals, like mercury, taking fish oil.
Nobody tests all your fish oil and fish oil capsules, they can do whatever they want.

applies to nearly ever supplement available

So. Should I buy fish oil caps, liquid or just ditch and go for seaweed omega 3?

What's a good source of omegas 3 snack bro? Something easy to eat at work.

All the practical fat source are omegas 6... nuts, avocado, etc.

Help a bulking skelly out please.

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Hemp seeds

>I get massive fucking headaches from the stuff though.
Sounds like the effect of rancid oil to me. Get the liquid stuff or you have no way of knowing if the oil is good or not. Rancid oil is bad for you

canned sardines or canned cod liver

Gifted you gold for this :)

Edit: it's on r/bestof peeps!

Fishoil helps your joints. If I stop using it, I notice it after 6 months. I take it again and notice the change after 1-2 months. I've tested this multiple times and have been lifting for almost two decades. I take fishoil from the brand Marinol.

Chia seeds

>olive oil, almonds, dairy fat
>All heavy on omega 6 or 9
>close to 0 omega 3

it can, most population studies show that higher omega 3 intake is asociated with higher blood dha and epa levels, even fish eater groups get 90% of their omega 3 from ala
academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/92/5/1040/4597496
table 5

I thought omega 3 from plants couldn't be absorbed. Did I get bullshited?

I'm with you that those are one of the best sources of omega 3 but let's be realistic, opening a can of sardines or cod liver in an office with people all around is impractical as fuck.

omega3s from plants are absorbed and converted, conversion is low so you should eat a lot of ala(plant omega 3) a day, so 15g seefor problems with fish as omega 3 source see

Just eat an egg lmao

>take fish oil
>Burp
Big mistake

Doesn't mention sardines, though. I'm curious about those.

I burp everytim, what am I missing?

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Rancid fish oil, probably. I always get a bad fish taste.

So flaxseed or seaweed for ala?

yeah just read up a bit they seem to be the highest in omega3s with herring. health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga2005/report/HTML/table_g2_adda2.htm
they seem to contain quiet a bit of lead mercury and arcinic, but idk about that i think you cant really go wrong with seaweed since its the exact same fats as you get from fish (thats where the fish get them) and they are raised outside the ocean so you have no heavy metals no plastics etc.
but i dont want to be faggy about every food there is, we will all probably be fine eating fish.

Oh sweet another thing for me to be afraid of haha

What are some good yet affordable brands of the fish oils?

what is ikos krill oil or wild Alaskan salmon oil

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been taking this recently.

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>raised outside the ocean
fish are either freshwater or saltwater

they can be wild/natural or farmed