Is it possible to be Jow Forums and left leaning?

>thinking current commie rats are like old soviets
lmao.
the most funny thing is true hardcore communists hate the current soibois leftards

>topnotch healthcare
lolno, only the SocDem non-militarist semi-fascist corporatists did that right on the left.
>training
Was a thing with most of Europe at the time, not really unique to commies.

Much obliged, user.

Imagine trippin on that barbell and landing on her brapper ahah

Surprise surprise the only democrat who is fit is also the least leftist

Only if you're a female (and prolly a lesbian for that matter)

>most progressive candidate except bernie (and even then it's a toss up)
>universal healthcare, immigration reform, justice/prison reform, legal weed, reproductive rights, pro union, anti fossil fuels, 100% liberal record voting on lgbt issues, wants more regulations on wall st, big business etc, anti war, wants to reduce the military, tuition free college, close tax loopholes and raise higher marginal rates
>not leftist
i fucking hate this attitude people have of
>everything i like must be from my side of the aisle
>everything i dislike must be from my enemies
it's the reason every year MLK day rolls around, pundits from the right to centre to left claim
>if he were alive today, he would agree with us!
sure, a lot of her views on foreign policy, justice reform etc are shared by libertarians, but they've also been the position of progressives for the last 30 years. no one "side" has complete ownership of good ideas. you're both retarded.
youtube.com/watch?v=ojdRnP_njQ8

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remember its Jewlie first so you'll be seeing a lot of (((idiots))) on 4channel

>good ideas

It's possible to be Jow Forums have have an uneducated opinion, so yes.

Who is dat? I think I got the brown fever

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becoming a communist is the only logical consequence of lifting

Guys wtf is happening i cant control my asshole anymore

Everytime i pee i let out a big fart it even happend in the public restrooms once.

And today i literally shit myself (diarhea) when i peed standing up.

Is the fit diet killing me?

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Gains belong to the proletariat toiling in the weight room, not to the capitalist gym-owning class that don't provide the labor.

Are you lactose intolerant? Check your milk intake

Of course, just look at the college students at whatever gym you go to.

this

>Go to a gym, lift with perfect form, eat an exquisite diet, proper rest; the gym owner takes all your gains and you are stuck as a DYEL because the product of your labor is appropriated.
this is your gains on c*pitalism

>Go to a gym, lift with perfect form, eat an exquisite diet, proper rest; You make all of the strength and muscle gains because you receive the full product of your labor
This is your gains on Socialism

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For the second one, the state takes 90% of your gains and gives them to "the less fortunate" read: all the people too lazy to even go.
Agreed on the first part tho

No.

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No, because leftists don't believe in hierarchy or authority
You can be a shitlib if you want

>socialism
>the state

nigga read a book

>the People
>the State represents the People
>thus the State is the People
Dipshit.

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like i said: read a book

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>not real socialism

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you're a retard, socialists love the state

That sounds like anarchy not socialism

cringing pretty hard here guys good job

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Yes, the right wing is just more vocal because they hate themselves and are more insecure

Being autistic about your definitions doesn't make you smart. Most socialists don't even agree with your 150 year old garbage.

Based comrade

We cant help your mental handicap retard. Back to leftypol

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most hardcore communist don't exist. and when they did, they just followed orders and the will of the state, and didn't know Das Capital from start to finish off the top of their head. they were uneducated and simply patriotic. modern 'commies' are just fucking retards

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Cringe. Every socialist ever had sypported the use of the state for socialism. Even Orwell praised the nazis for their socialist economy.

>Every socialist ever had sypported the use of the state for socialism.
I'm the least politically minded person in this thread an deven I know that that isn't true

thing is, there's two, diametrically opposed, forms of big government
>using the govt to improve peoples' lives
>the govt using workers to enrich themselves/oligarchs/people who pay them
socialism is the former, provided you claim (as all modern right wingers seem to) that fdr-like policies of higher marginal taxes, infrastructure spending, higher minimum wage, stronger unions etc are muh socialism. the 50s that all you lot crow about as the golden age of american culture? the minimum wage was enough to support a family of three to buy a house. top marginal rate was over 70%. antitrust laws and govt oversight of corporations was as strong as it's ever been. stop pretending progressive ideas don't work - they work all over the western world already, and many of them have worked IN AMERICA in the recent past

As a socialist, I think it is kind of naive to claim that all authoritarian or statist socialist/communist regimes were not real socialism. Authoritarian socialism and soviet communism were another form of socialism. Just like there are different types of governments governing capitalist societies.

It's important to see both the good and the bad of socialist regimes. For example Soviet Union and Maoist China tremendously improved the education and healthcare levels of their people. But there were also famines and gulags, etc.

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yes
humans are sexual animals. everyone wants to be a slut.

socialism at it's core requires trust.
trust that your neighbor won't look out for their own interests and aspire to be the best version they can be.
if everyone did that THEN socialism would work.
until such a time that I can trust anybody and everybody unconditionally I'll keep to the capitalist ways

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While I agree with your position on socialism, I don't think it's the most effective for the feds to run socialist programs.
the socialism of the 50s became the bloated, runaway military budget and the military industrial complex of the 60s, which became the pointless shit wars we've been trapped in since the 70s.
the flaw of socialism is the fact that those running the socialist programs change hands, and everytime it changes hands, there's a chance for abuse or corruption.
Socialism can and does work, but the best way to implement socialism is on a state by state basis. Each state should collect marginally high taxes on top earners to pay for education, health care, etc. The feds should only collect taxes for the military.
Another reason why federal socialism is bad is because what the feds do is take money from individuals, pay themselves way more than they deserve, and then hand it back to the states and say "put this into socialist programs." Cutting out the middle man of the feds saves money, and each state knows where it needs money better than the feds do.

Fitness, specifically weightlifting, incorporates concepts that synergize very well with right-wing ideologies and go directly against certain aspects of left-wing ones. Being Jow Forums thus means that some is more likely to be right-wing although it isn't a guarantee. It's possible to be fit and left-wing if someone is simply a bitch to what is socially acceptable in current year.

No. That's where you get the rising ideas of fat acceptance shit on sports illustrated and the banning of fph.

The more liberal a society becomes, the more people who find fat being "sexy". Notice how in all the whale's photos at sports illustrated they attempt to hide her hideous stomach? Fucken disgusting.

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*someone

No problem, wish she had bigger tits, would be 10/10 to me.

Wouldn't it be funny if you posted an example of a country that had non state socialism haha

but what if we had a society where people could aspire to be the best version they could be, but there were upper limits of what that means so that it doesn't become a detriment to others in society. under bernie style socialism it's not like there aren't going to be rich people or poor people any more, just that it won't be possible for there to be another jeff bezos or koch brothers, attaining so much wealth at others' expense that they can actively warp society for their own personal gain. some countries have a policy whereby a ceo can't make more than 50x what the lowest paid employee makes. the ceo is still gonna get rich, but if they want to get REALLY rich, they have to enrich those providing the labour as well. is that so unreasonable?

That's why social democracy worked in Scandinavia and is now going to hell after mass-immigration became a thing.
Libshits and Leftards, not even once.

How is that relevant to the discussion? I'm just pointing out that the sentence "Every socialist ever had sypported the use of the state for socialism" is absolute horseshit. Have you ever heard of ancoms?

>as a socialist
Stopped reading there
You’re a fag
Get off my board and go back to leftypol

>there were also famines
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
buddy those “famines” were just easy peasy ways to get rid of undesirables
Communism is literally Jewish

>trust that your neighbor won't look out for their own interests and aspire to be the best version they can be.
ellaborate

>incorporates concepts that synergize very well with right-wing ideologies and go directly against certain aspects of left-wing ones.
like what?
that's all these threads ever end up. claims so vague and broad they become meaningless.
left-wing and right-wing in the context of current social discourse are meaningless in and of themselves, and basically mean "vote republican" or "vote democrat". there aren't even any ideologies behind these titles anymore.

ye, that's why it won't work, if ever because it only takes a couple of people to exploit the naïveté of a supposed utopia

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wrongo. the more open a society becomes (you use the term liberal, which is meaningless at this point), the more someone is going to admit they like fatties, or animals, or same sex, or whatever.
some people have liked fatties since the dawn of history, in every society and culture.

its not possible for very long, if you think about it the more you lift the more impressed at how powerful you've become on your own and that is a feeling you cant shake......being left leaning means you feel impotent and need help taking care of yourself, dead lifts make you feel like you can take care of yourself even without all that commie "free' shit

they still have the happiest people, most social equality, less stress, less people in jail, among the best education...

why is it going to hell? Because the issues caused by the refugee crisis that has ended?

help me use less words
myopic? short sighted?

then why are so many weight lifters gay? and why are most gays "left"?

Possible? It is essential.

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>liberals
weak because lifting is toxic masculinity
>conservatives
weak because they they don't care about anything other than their money, fat because born into a rich family who overfed them
>fascists
blames jews for not being able to lose weight
>socialists
huge from manual labour, needs to be strong to kill fat bourgies

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that's a big if bröther
how would you make that society a reality?
how would you make it such that everybody would look out for everybody, holding no judgement of their fellow man?

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By left and right, I'm referring to the original dichotomy and not the modern American definitions of it.
Right-wing concepts that fitness/lifting synergizes well with include heirarchy, elitism, emphasis on strength and discipline, and emphasis on individual strength and proficiency being the basis for the collective level of it.
Left-wing concepts that the pursuit of fitness goes against mainly includes egalitarianism and everything that the core concept of egalitarianism affects, including the promotion of weakness rather than the condemnation of it in pursuit of strength.
I do agree that this kinda shit is meaningless overall since it is the actual substance of things that matters and not semantics or classifications of it.

>how would you make it such that everybody would look out for everybody, holding no judgement of their fellow man?
why do bootlickers always pretend this needs to happen lmao

>i don't want people who are working 40+ hours a week to have to go on food stamps cos the min wage can't support them while their underpaid labour enriches the wealthiest people in the history of the world, i.e. my tax dollars subsidising bezos and the waltons
>ergo i want commie free shit
nice logic there genius. i'm lucky enough to be in a position where most of the """socialist""" programs proposed by progressives won't have any benefit to my life really (except for having better infrastructure and whatnot), i just think society would be better if there were more rules in place to stop the oligarchs from treating the working class as a commodity to be exploited as thoroughly as possible

>fitness goes against egalitarianism

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No. You see fitness at its core is a extremely masculine trait. The testosterone that flows in oneself is predominant in males, this is why a male is the more powerful of the sexes. As the most powerful should make the decisions of political importance, choosing left leaning ideologies is frivolous and feminine. Things like equality, social justice, acceptance are all the musings of women and as men we should look to the past and understand that these are impossible concepts that only being ruin when fools attempt to apply them. Not to say that a fit man must be right wing. Rather he must transcend it. He must become the emodyment of his masculine traits and be in perfect harmony with outer nature and his inner spiritual nature. He must be humble but know his value. He must understand hierarchy but always attempt to rise to the top of it. He must be a man.

TLDR: tribalistic warlordism is cool and so are fascism and monarchies but only if you’re not a faggot about it

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So did the USSR, they built whole towns when foreigners would come to see the great socialist experiment. To show how much harmony there was
it was so perfect, that was socialism, as much as china, venezuela, north korea, laos, north vietnam...
again if you trust everyone in your community your town your nation then socialism will work.
You are requiring everyone to follow this ideology of their own free will.
if you can do that then you have 'pure socialism'

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It does. Equality is a myth that only the weak preach. The pursuit of superiority does not care for false concepts such as equality.

>commies
No food, therefore no gains.

Man, sorry to break it to you, I live in Finland, and to say we are the most happy people in the world is like saying North Korea has the happiest people on earth, previous poster was right, the whole northern Europe is collapsing and we are just busy keeping up the appearances.

literally how is fitness antithetical to egalitarianism

idgaf about convincing everyone that being a capitalist is bad, they can hate it all they want, i'd just change the fucking law so they had no choice. luckily a majority of americans want these kinds of changes, so once either bernie or tulsi is president, the capitalists can cry all they want about making 60m a year instead of 200m, their tears will be delicious
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because the topic is socialism: the biggest form of societal kiss ass, if you don't think it's necessary and you think you're a socialist you need to read some more marx, trotsky, and lenin. you must submit yourself to the state and the state will take care of you. blind Faith in the system and trusting is the foundation of socialism. without trust we're back to the tried and true capitalism

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>he actually believes this

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>Right-wing concepts that fitness/lifting synergizes well with include heirarchy, elitism,
the right wing in America DOES NOT include hierarchy or elitism. Both major political philosophies in the US reject these concepts, and insist ANYONE can become successful and wealthy.
from this point on, I will use the ACTUAL terms for right and left, which will be libertarianism and socialism. not your meme terms.
>emphasis on strength and discipline, and emphasis on individual strength and proficiency being the basis for the collective level of it.
Strength is irrelevant to Libertarian ideals. dedication and discipline are ideals that Libertarians believe anyone can and should have. Whereas socialists also agree with these ideals, and strength is irrelevant as well to their philosophies. No one on either side will say Steven Hawking goes against their philosophy because he is too weak to even move.
>Left-wing concepts that the pursuit of fitness goes against mainly includes egalitarianism and everything that the core concept of egalitarianism affects, including the promotion of weakness rather than the condemnation of it in pursuit of strength.
wrong again. Internet rabble does not reflect actual political ideology. Socialism insists that those who can work should work as hard as they can for the benefit of everyone, and socialism does not insist all your work should go to everyone else, either. Socialism can or can not include the concept of private property or individualism, as long as everyone who needs help can get help, so that those who can't function on their own are aided to the point that they can become functioning members of society and add to the total value of it.

fitness and strength are equally valuable and irrelevant to both political philosophies. It's a nonsense idea based on a modern internet movement about fat people that you all focus too much on.

>fitness is a masculine trait
mental retardation right here.
>So did the USSR
more mental retardation right here. That's why people were and still are so desperate to flee communist states?
"pure socialism" is a meme. it can only exist in a mythological species that isn't human. that doesn't mean socialist programs aren't useful to round out the extremes of capitalism. The most hardcore libertarian will not say that the police or firefighters are bad programs, but those programs are socialist programs. so is the military and education and roads.
socialism is a spectrum.

Thise were called Potemkin villages.

What? I live in finland too and I dont see any signs of collapse?

and how much will you make? because that's the person that matters isn't it? because everyone else's needs are secondary to your own right?

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equality is rooted in empathy, and humans are pack animals. it's hard wired in our brain to help each other so the pack can survive.
that's why humans are so willing to die for their "pack", whatever their pack might be. Nation, tribe, religion, or in the case of this nonsense thread, whatever shitty political party you vote for that claims to have an ideology beyond "we wanna make money".
equality as a whole is a myth. but equal treatment in society is very reasonable and doens't require much.

i'm not gonna trust some faggot on Jow Forums over literally all studies from around the globe.

>fitness is not a masculine trait
>most people into fitness are males
>the greater athletes are males
>everything involving fitness is dominated by males
????

You can be *fit* and whatever (think of all the healthy west-coasters). Progressives I think skew in the direction of manlet/twink, while actual marx-esque leftists run the gamut between obese neckbeard and Soviet-style stronk boi

except lenin was trying to establish local, democratically run systems of socialism. Where each region would be it's own city state that functions independently of the others.
so yes, you trust the state, but the state is a small region that wouldn't have the power that someone like Stalin did, because that power completely destroys ANY type of system besides dictatorship.

seeing a brown person out of every 50 white people is the same as Armageddon to paid internet agitators.

>the police and firefighters are socialist programs

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socialism as a foundation of policy not exception

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Yes of course. Just look at this champ

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no you dense fuck
>my needs vs everyone elses
is not the dichotomy here
>the needs of the working poor vs the needs of the wealthy and powerful elites
is the issue. if you look at the polling data, the legislation wanted by the bottom 50% of earners in the states ends up being legislation around 25-30% of the time, whereas the ideas most popular among the top 0.1% become legislation around 70% of the time. is this fair in a "democracy"?

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>most people into fitness are males
that's why there is so many female-only gyms? That's why Pilates and yoga and spin classes are dominated by women?
also, if this was true, majority wouldn't matter. a majority of men are taller than a majority of women, but no one is gonna say tall women are manly, unless youre retarded.
>The greater athletes are males
men have great physical prowess. that doesn't mean being fit is masculine, you dolt. are you even trying?
>????
yes, you are an easily confused person.