Gentleman, I think it's time we vote for something essential to this community

Should we ban all vegan threads?
ttp://www.strawpoll.me/18318865

We all know they're just bait threads from /ck/ or Jow Forums leftists, there isn't a single vegan that has done the diet for more than 5 years that doesn't look like a corpse and/or have health problems (so it's as much fitness related as telling someone to drink posion)
All their studies are associative crap that has never shown a relative risk higher than 2, they have never, and will never, be able to prove causality of any of their claims
Ideally we would ban all vegan threads, but I think that a containment thread is fine

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All vegans are gains goblins making you feel bad for eating meat

who gives a fuck, censorship and bans are for liberal fags

I agree, but the problem is that they aren't fitness related

Same for tranny threads
How the fuck is taking pills that reduce strength fitness related?

This but with threads with thots as the thumbnail

using sluts, jav whores, and anime girls to get clicks and bumps on your thread is an imageboard tradition older than Jow Forums

you should add vegan to your filters. that way if a thread with the word vegan is posted it wont appear in your catalog. i was thinking about adding 'strawpoll' to my filters.

you shouldnt eat a lot of meat. meat consumption is a driving force behind environmental degradation. 8 oz max a day is all you need

No one cares

the driving force behind environmental degradation is the 3rd world, mostly china and india but also south america

Why don't they just shop at whole foods?

found the american

Trump supporters are uneducated shitbags who unironically vote against their own economic interests

no, they bring us together as a community

cringe, not a surprise you showed up in a thread with 'vegan' tho

This must be a copy pasta by now

Here is why your dietary choices are bad and you are a fucking idiotic retard faggot who's destroying the planet and you are a sociopathic murderer. Discuss

Where's the lie

t. Reddit

Not putting sources. I'd be surprised if gas vehicles and our carbon producing old age energy making didn't have more of an effect than "just consuming meat".

Yes, veganism is a mental illness and should not be allowed to propagate under the pseudonym of "health"

(a) perpetually antagonize /fit-izens with their religious nonesense, who's dietary adherents are primarily women
(b) some 84%+ of vegetarians alone quit that diet to eat meat, veganism has worse in this drop out
(c) push tons of associative conspiracy theories about saturated fats, with no human physiology to back their stupid nonsense
(d) they do not read the research they post and spam mass amounts of associative studies they don't understand
(e) feminized beta faggotry pushed by s-o-y-e-d out bugmen

Off yourself commie bugman
>veganism works well for infertility, nature will do what you're to weak to do for the human gene pool

See point (a)

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There is something about people's sense of superiority that makes people absolute cunts. Someone lifts a lot of weight, puts on a trip and turns into a cunt, someone quits meat and now he is everyone's moral superior and turns into an absolute cunt. Always reminds me of a car I once saw parked into a handicapped space with meat is murder stickers on, but of course no handicapped logo

It pointless to stop consuming meat from an environmental stand point seeing as the fossil fuel companies create more than 70 percent of the pollution causing climate change

Just wait until 3rd worlders stop eating bugs and start factory farming

based and communismpilled

Why am I hanging around this thread?
It's just going to get filled with butthurt vegans and delusional genocidal communists

Cya, losers

I see vegetarian+'s seem to be stirring up some trouble.
so far I've only encountered a lame bait thread

last time I left Jow Forums it was nothing but threads advocating flesh consumption and carnivorous diet.

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leftism is a mental illness

Thumbnails are ok since you can choose to hide them

Is there a option for that? I don't use 4chanX

It's actually the opposite, veganism is also antinature

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Most of the meat in south america is pasture raised, the problem is china and US importing all the soi and cattle from brazil

Almost everything we find in our supermarkets in Brazil is what you americans call whole foods

>imagine voting on a moloch worshipper just because you want free gibs in the expense of others work

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>who's dietary adherents are primarily women
And seventh day adventists, which will manipulate data to show anything they want in studies
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Nobody cares what you think, and it won't get banned.

>breaking news: Trump supporters are uneducated fentanyl addicted rural whitoids
Why did they even bother studying this

The "Medical Evangelists", I know their cancer well. They even own 20+ food and agro corporations to sell their shit to the public. We owe breakfast cereals to those cock sockers, one of the best foods to turn children into obese fat food addicts.

I'll keep reporting vegan threads anyway since they evidently are trolling/begging

This. Trump supporters are uneducated shitbags who are class traitors to their own class

it's always hilarious when leftists drop the charade and show their open contempt for the poor and uneducated

BASED

Just calling a spade a spade

yea I don't mind, I prefer it when you leftists are shitting all over poor people and the middle class instead of pretending like you care

Lol most people know leftist are looking out for working class interests , just some white people choose racism over advancing their own economic interests

America has a uniquely stupid right wing electorate

OP What about vegan hate threads? I think they're very important.


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lol

>leftists are so deluded they think it's the working class that's wrong when the left has completely abandoned them
absolute retards

hm, why stop there?
why not ban the whole sv3rige shitposting?
not fitness related and its annoying

god you are such a bitch its unreal
shut the fuck up
i bet you only got here from the fucking anime threads last week

So you're fine with veganism, but not with the anti-vegan guy? Got it.

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are you unable to read?
seriously, are you stupid?

I have a vegan cousin who is 16 and she looks like she's 9 years old. I'm pretty sure she had her development fucking destroyed.

>raise taxes on them
>cut safety regulations
>cut worker protections
>destroy unions
>refuse social programs to help workers
Yeah those right wingers sure love the working class. They love them so much they want to work them to death so they can make a few dollars more.

>Answers a question,
>With two questions.


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There's just no end to this, sadly.

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>Meanwhile 'caring' libtards want to import a trillion shitskins to replace us.

Yeah thanks for 'caring' I hope you care enough to kys.

you want to know what destroys unions, mass immigration that undercuts the working class, slashes wages, and prevents any kind of labor negotiation power
get a fucken clue lmao. it's actually amazing how out of touch lefitst actually are with the working class.
>it must be the working class that is wrong if they hate us, we do everything right
said while spitting on everybody poor and uneducated who dares have a different opinion LMAO

libtards arent leftists
libtards are right wingers that want black CEOs

its almost like there are 2 right wing parties that drive each other ever further to the right to the point where we have reverted to 1890s style politics and where the rockefellers and carnegies have come back at the expense of literally everyone else

since when does your decision to eat or not to eat meat automatically determine your ideology of wanting to collectivize the means of production?

this is some florida tier thought processing

But that makes you a bigot, might wanna watch that Nazi speak around your brothers.

Racism is in my economic interest

Rightoids aren't human so you can't be bigoted against them any more than you can be bigoted against pigs or dogs.

Sv3roge is absolutely fitness related 80% of this site watches his channel

>mic the vegan
m.youtube.com/watch?v=-e0qZAuPF2s
He's already been shown to be an ignorant propagandist

They're fine

>Lol most people know leftist are looking out for working class interests
If you know the basics of economics and history you know leftists are the opposite of worker friendly
The true friends of workers are ancaps, no one would benefit more from the elimination of taxes than poor people (rich people literally depend on the government so that their money has any value)

>we love the working class
>their vote shouldn't matter though DESTROY THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE
>also keep importing violent illegal immigrants that tax the social systems for everybody
>the same immigrants who drive down labor costs so working wages are rock bottom
>just keep working for peanuts with no vote because we know how to do your job better than you
I hope some immigrant you let in beats you to death with a hammer

They've been in power, they never stopped, expect that global cleansing soon by the bilderbergs.

>cut safety regulations
Cutting bureocracy that leads to unemployment and monopoly

>cut worker protections
Just cutting another way of creating more unemployment and monopoly

>destroy unions
Ah, those just fuck up with the worker, in my experience they're like a mafia that prohibits you to work if you don't give them money, good ridance

>refuse social programs to help workers
Social programs paid by whom? That's right, the worker, and I bet some don't want to be robbed for it

>ackshually if we give all our money to the rich people everyone benefits
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bro you're fucking retarded

8 hour work week was created by leftists
worker safety regulations created by leftists
child labor laws created by leftists
minimum wage created by lefitsts
labor unions created by leftists
trust busting was at the request of leftists
social security was created by leftists
FDIC was created by leftists

The right has only ever tried to take all of that stuff away and they are succeeding which is why everything is continually getting worse and worse and why you feel so angry.

ancaps are jason genova tier retards that believe in a fantasy world that cant even exist on paper

you can have the electoral college or you can have democratic elections dictated by the working class

why do you give a fuck about the social services when its clear you dont want any of them to begin with? You would rather get rid of healthcare for 350 million people because 50,000 people might have access to it that isnt intended. You also dont want a higher minimum wage or any workers protections or labor unions either so again you dont actually give a shit, you just want to be racist and to have a bogeyman to justify why your life is shit because you cant imagine the pain you might feel if you acknowledge that capitalism and right wing policy is making your life worse each passing day

>since when does your decision to eat or not to eat meat automatically determine your ideology of wanting to collectivize the means of production?

Read meat is luxury good in communist countries, also weak people are easier to control which is exactly what commies want

>Rightoids aren't human so you can't be bigoted against them any more than you can be bigoted against pigs or dogs.
You realize most of the world are "rightoids", right? They usually are from traditional families, maybe even catholics if they're mexican, if they survive the brainwashing in school and university they stay that way

Imagine being working class and voting republican lol how fucking stupid do you have to be to be baited by manufactures cultural war propaganda pushed by Fox News

you are too stupid to figure out why you are stupid
its sad really.

t. indoctrinated retard that supports the same liberal views every single globalist megacorp is pushing

you have no idea what communists want. you dont even know what you want.

Because sv3rige actually looks like he lifts
He also has a hot girlfriend and good information of plants antinuutrients

>all those massive failures of communism and socialism weren't REAL leftist bros trust me this time it'll be different
>lets just do it like norway does, a capitalist country that got 50% of its gdp from oil and petrol

>You realize most of the world are "rightoids", right?
no. every country in the world that isnt america has a well fucntioning left wing political party that actively fights for workers rights and social services for the poor. america is the only place without this. The majority of the world agrees and wants left wing policies, reform, or outright revolution.

>WHATEVER ISN'T AN ALLY OF HOLY COMMUNIST PARTY MUST BE ELIMINATED
>WE DON'T NEED TO JUSTIFY OUR ACTIONS, THE FUTURE WILL, AND THE FUTURE IS OURS

liberals and conservatives have the same economic policy you moron

just because google doesnt outright say they want to bring back black slavery doesnt mean theyre socialists

>VEGANISM IS A CONSPIRACY BY COMMUNISTS TO TURN THE POPULATION WEAK
yeah i'll take your word for it then
you clearly are the smartest one here

>bro this retard thinks voting for a billionaire is going to help poor people lmao what a moron
>FUCKING BIGOT I HATE LIBERALS
okay dude whatever
nobody cares. you clearly dont understand politics or political ideology to make sense of anything anybody is telling you

>minimum wage created by lefitsts
Yeah, the most stupid idea ever tought

In a free market, demand will always depend on price: the higher the price, the lower the demand. What is surprising to most politicians is that these rules apply equally to both prices and wages. When employers evaluate their capital and labor needs, cost is a prime factor. When the cost of hiring low-skilled labor increases, several jobs will be liquidated. Notwithstanding all this, increases in the minimum wage are always seen as an act of governmental benevolence. Nothing could be further from the truth.

When some plumbing in our house is clogged, what is the standard procedure we normally follow? We do a price survey with several hydraulic firefighters and hire the one that has the best price. If all prices are high, most of us will prefer to take a wrench and a caustic soda, and do the service on our own. The labor market works the same way. Before hiring another employee, the employer needs to be sure that this new employee will bring in an increase in productivity that exceeds this additional cost (which includes not only salary, but all social and labor charges.) [To see the numbers of Brazil, click here].

Thus, if a low-skilled worker is able to contribute only $ 6 per hour in terms of productivity increase, that individual will be unemployed if the minimum wage is set at $ 7.25 an hour.

Low-skilled workers need to fight for employer money. And for this they have to contend with both the skilled workers and the capital (the machinery). For example, if a skilled worker charges $ 14 an hour to do a service that two less skilled workers charge $ 6.50 each, it would be economically wise for an employer to hire the less skilled workforce. However, if the government increases the minimum wage to $ 7.25 an hour, these less skilled workers will be "priced out" of the labor market.

It is precisely because of this dynamic that unions are staunch advocates of minimum wage laws. Although none of its members receive the minimum wage, the law helps protect them from the competition of less skilled workers.


Employers also have the option of employing machines rather than people. For example, an employer may hire a receptionist or invest in an automated answering system. He will do whatever is least costly. So the next time you're screaming obscenities on the phone while trying to talk to a computer, you already know who to blame for your frustration.

There are a number of other examples of employers replacing human labor with machinery simply because the minimum wage has left the less skilled workers uncompetitive. For example, at airports, suitcase carriers have been replaced by handcarts (although those still exist informally). The main reason why fast food restaurants use paper plates and plastic utensils is to not have to hire people to wash them.

As a result, many of those low-skilled jobs that used to be the first rung of the labor market ladder were exterminated from the market. Can you remember the last time a little lollipop took you to your seat in a dark movie theater? When was the last time someone - not just the guy in the box - not only packed their groceries at the grocery store but also took them to their car? By the way, it will not be long before the boxes themselves are "priced out" of the market and replaced with automatic scanners, making you have to pack your purchases without any help. You may even be able to do this, but what about the older people?

The disappearance of these jobs brings wider economic and social consequences. The first jobs we get are a way to improve our skills so that less skilled workers can gain experience and thereby provide greater productivity for their current or future employers.

As your skills increase, so do your ability to earn higher wages. However, remove the bottom rung of the ladder from the job market and many will never have a chance to climb it.


So when you have to fuel your car yourself in a rainstorm, do not just think of that teenager who might be doing it for you; also think of the mechanic he might have become if the minimum wage laws had not denied him a job. Several car mechanics learned secrets from their craft while working as front-runners. Between a supply, a tire wash and a tire calibration, they spent much of their time helping the mechanics and learning from them. This is going to end.

Because the minimum wage prevents many young people (including a disproportionate number of minorities) from getting basic jobs, they will never be able to develop the skills necessary to pursue jobs that pay better wages. As a consequence, many resort to crime, while others resort to government assistance.

Proponents of the minimum wage argue that it is impossible to support a family when living with only a minimum wage. Yes it's true. But this is totally irrelevant, since jobs that pay minimum wages were not meant to support a family.

The point would be for people to choose not to start a family until they are earning enough to support them. Low-wage jobs serve to empower workers over time to acquire the necessary skills that will enable them to earn enough wages to support a family. Does anyone really think that a teenager who works as a newspaper delivery man should earn a living wage to support a family?

The only way to raise wages is by increasing productivity. If wages could be increased simply by government decree, we could determine the minimum wage at $ 10,000 a month and all problems would be solved.

>companies can and do collude to pay their workers basically nothing
>unions lobby together to pass a law to create a minimum wage
FUCKING RETARDS AGAINST THEIR OWN ECONOMIC INTERESTS

shut the fuck up
you clearly dont know anything if you believe in any of this fucking free market fantasy bullshit

t. retard

It should already be clear to everyone that at this level the majority of the population would lose their jobs, and the remaining labor would be so expensive that prices of goods and services would skyrocket. This is exactly the burden that minimum wage laws impose on poor and low-skilled workers - and, ultimately, on all consumers.

Since our leaders can not understand even this simple economic concept, why are there still people who believe they will solve the much more complicated economic problems that haunt us today?

>NO YOU SEE, GETTING PAID $3 AN HOUR IS ACTUALLY GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY
lick my fucking balls you retard

>man I'm a fucking retard who keeps losing all my special olympics arguments online, what should I do
>I know, I'll just copy walls of text from mises.org instead of making my own arguments
>by the way you libtards are programmed NPCs haha

>paying people LESS means they get BETTER WAGES
excellent idea you are right i have changed my mind

>8 hour work week was created by leftists
>child labor laws created by leftists
You're either lying or is very ignorant


Whenever there is an extended holiday, several people say that it was the unions and government interventions that "humanized capitalism" by giving us the 8-hour working day, the five-day work week, the abolition of child labor and everything else.

Unfortunately, these people have reversed cause and effect relationships.

It is not we who humanize capitalism; it was capitalism that humanized us. The wealth produced by capitalism allowed us to meet our humanitarian demands in ways that were not even dreamed of in other times when all human beings lived daily on the threshold of survival.

It was absolutely impossible to work only 8 hours a day, to have a 40-hour workweek, and to give up child labor when the material conditions that allowed this luxury still did not exist. Contrary to what some like to imagine, the workers did not work long hours and the children did not work very early because employers pointed a gun at their heads. Likewise, they did not work so hard just because they liked to work for long, hard and uncomfortable hours.

They, like us, would have preferred to work less, earn more, and enjoy better working conditions. However, where capital - technological tools, high-output machinery, and fast and efficient means of transport - is scarce, productivity is low. With productivity low, wages will inevitably also be low. Therefore, to feed a whole family, it will take several hours of work and many more people working.

Caring for yourself

As Ludwig von Mises never tired of repeating, it was the accumulation of capital that made the work more productive.

Capital is all that increases productivity and, ultimately, the standard of living of a society. Capital are all factors of production - such as tools, machinery, buildings, means of transportation, etc. - that make human labor more efficient and productive.

Based and economics pulled

It's always fun to see libtards explain how all the other wages not constrained by the minimum wage get set and often many at times the minimum wage- absent any government coercion!

Capital, in physical terms, are the physical assets of companies and industries.They are the facilities, the machinery, the stocks and the office equipment of a factory or any company.

Working less and producing more is the direct result of capital accumulation. Just as a tractor greatly multiplies agricultural production relative to a hoe, the use of modern machinery and equipment greatly multiplies the productivity of workers - and hence their wages and quality of life.

It was the accumulation of capital over the centuries that allowed workers to produce more with fewer hours of work. As a result, they were able to feed themselves and their families - as well as educate their children - while working fewer hours.

In rich countries, where workers have a large amount of machinery and technological capital goods at their disposal, such workers tend to be more productive. As such, they can afford to work fewer hours. Even in developing countries that do not enjoy abundant and quality capital goods for their workers - which makes them less productive - there is no alternative but to work harder to produce the same as a worker in a country developed.

Workers' wages depend on their productivity and the value of what they produce for consumers. When workers have more and better capital goods to work with, their workforce becomes more productive. And when consumers demand what they produce, their wages, because of higher productivity, can increase.

When the owners of capital-that is, the owners of the means of production-have to compete for labor, they have to offer higher wages to attract this more productive labor force out of its competitors. The consequence is that more and better capital goods lead to higher wages, and this allows more families to survive without having to put their children to work, and more workers and companies to reduce working hours and weekly work.

holy fuck you are such a retard if you believe that what a worker contributes in added value isnt a multifold to what they are being paid

dumb rightwinged capitalist bootlickers like you are honestly so retarded, you cant get enough of capitalist exploitation.

same as with libertardians, the biggest retarded cucks on the planet.

god you're fucking stupid
go grind yourself into dust working 75 hours a week making $7 an hour to prove to me how great your life is

Trump supporters are uneducated shitbags who vote against their own economic interests

Always remember this

And this whole process was already in full force before any kind of unionization or government regulations on working hours. The downward trend line in working hours was not changed as government syndications and regulations began to appear.

Economist Robert Whaples notes that the average weekly workday has been falling steadily since the 1830s.

In 1938, when then-President Franklin Roosevelt signed the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), a law stipulating the maximum weekly working day in 40 hours, such a law was virtually unnecessary. Throughout the previous century, market forces had already overthrown the average weekly workweek in industries, from nearly 70 hours to just 50 hours. In other industries, the journey was even smaller. In 1930, for example, railroad workers worked an average of 42.9 hours per week. Meanwhile the charcoal workers worked an average of only 27 hours. (Check the numbers here).

Henry Ford deployed a 40-hour workweek in 1926 because he believed that consumers with more free time would buy more products. Other big companies did the same. Just a year later, 262 large companies had already adopted a 5-day work week. For the first time in history, people were enjoying free weekends.

According to this scholarly work by economist Robert Whaples:

More than 80 percent of economic historians already accept the idea that "the reduction in weekly working hours in American industries prior to the Great Depression was largely due to economic growth and the wage increases generated by this economic growth. For example, two-thirds of economic historians reject the proposition that trade union efforts were the main cause of the fall in working hours before the Great Depression.

And this downward trend in hours of work can be observed even more intensely with regard to child labor.

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holy fuck you are so dumb

everything you say is going against the trends of the last 20-30 years where PRODUCTIViTY HAS SKYROCKETED BUT REAL WAGES HAVE DECLINED

the only thing that happened is corporate greed has increased.

fucking retard took economics 101 and thinks he has ANY IDEA

you probably look like shit, are retarded, go fuck yourself faggot

based

In the early nineteenth century, children worked either in family farming or in factories. In both cases, families needed this contribution from the child's wage to survive.

Historian Steven Mintz, an expert on child labor, notes that the wages of children between 10 and 15 years of age "often accounted for 20% of the family's income and could mean the difference between welfare and deprivation." As Mintz also put it, "in this family cooperative economy, the essential decisions ... were based on family needs rather than individual choice."

Of course, if the parents of that time were able to survive without having to put their children to work, they would have done so, as demonstrated by the relative lack of child labor among the wealthiest families of the time. The problem is that most parents simply could not afford it.

When a smaller demand is something good

Evidence that it was the accumulation of capital, rather than legislation, that reduced child labor and the workday was compiled by historian Clark Nardinelli, which shows the continuing decline in hours of child labor in British cotton and linen factories in the two decades prior to the promulgation of the Factory Act of 1833 [limiting child factory labor to 10 hours a day], as well as the continuing decline in total child labor in silk factories until 1890, even though child labor laws did not apply to the silk industry.

Together, all these data provide evidence of the role of real wage hikes, allowed by capitalism, as the cause of the reduction of child labor throughout the century. Even children who worked in agriculture saw their functions diminish as higher-quality agricultural machinery reduced the need for child labor and increased productivity, which allowed landowners to hire labor from outside of the family.