Would a modern day powerlifter or strongman have a chance against an ancient Spartan in hand-to-hand combat...

Spartan wins except when the powerlifter gets lucky and hulk slams the guy on his head.

Those guys trained for combat all their life, a powerlifter just picks up weights to look juicy

>physical labor
They had helots for that.

Spartan wins because anyone who went through the Agoge is a mean son of a bitch who'll fight dirty as hell and not quit until he's dead.

Anons want to believe that ancient warriors were some kind of supermen, ignoring the fact that it was so common to embellish martial feats that it used to be a job.
>even the most pampered ancient warriors lived in a state of continuous starvation, malnourishment, and minor illnesses like diarrhea
>the idea that a healthy strength-dedicated 180-200lb 15%bf male from 2019 might lose to an ancient wiry manlet is fantasy

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>people who fought to survive can’t beat those who fight for money
Okay, user. This is the same ignorant and retarded logic that makes people believe they can beat up Floyd Money Mayweather in a fight.

also most battles ended up with

My autism would give me an edge. He'd have no idea what I'm doing. He's too used to fighting actual athletes. Also I'd take meth or PCP or something

Helots certainly worked the fields. Greek citizens still did help with much of the work on their estates, it was a matter of pride and ensuring quality.

>not quit until he's dead
retard

>Continous starvation

Source

spartans was probably short midgets.

>the most pampered ancient warriors lived in a state of continuous starvation, malnourishment, and minor illnesses like diarrhea
And like clockwork, the retards without a drop of historical knowledge show up spewing this kind of bullshit.

>Matter of pride
Helots worked the field cause otherwise Spartans would kill them. It was not a matter of pride

US casualty rates for combat troops in WWII was ~3% including non combat deaths.

nationalww2museum.org/students-teachers/student-resources/research-starters/research-starters-us-military-numbers

read his post again you faggot

Are we reading from two different points in history? I thought a large part of the Greek decline was reaching a point where there were more slaves and slave-armies than actual citizens; and that the wealthy elite had been focused on debauchery for so many generations that they couldn't see the end coming in time to prevent it

This the average height was between 5'3-5'5
Manlet rage cant save them

? Was referring to the patriarch being involved in running his estate.
Still, checked.

We whipped nigs in the south to ensure quality, wouldn't exactly call that "helping".

Kek. The actors playing spartans would beat the spartans.

Probably. By ancient I assumed OP would mean "Golden Age"

that'd be you btw

sounds familiar doesnt it

the "matter of pride" refers to the greek masters not to their slaves

>the average height was between 5'3-5'5
t. has no idea what he is talking about

cope

history.stackexchange.com/questions/17160/what-was-the-average-height-in-classical-greece
>162 cms tall
>5'3
The other user has more of a clue than you.

yeah, I'm looking over at the stack of history books I read through for fun over the semesters and trying to guess which movie or page of wikipedia you pulled your 'knowledge' from
>basic tactic in any wartime scenario is to disrupt supply lines
>most of the ancient world was in constantly involved in minor conflicts
>leads to a fluctuation in labor force, agricultural production, and resources being allocated as war material instead of civilian use
>limited ability to preserve food so as the supply chain gets longer the quality of the food that arrives, if it arrives, goes down
>bacteria, parasites, rot, etc arriving to the hungry mouths of soldiers whose bodies are already busy fighting off disease and (wound) infections
I'm not blowing the rest of your asshole out. It's stretched enough. If you studied any of this even casually you would know that one of the #1 method that generals would use to slowly usurp power from the elites was to provide them with loot, FOOD, and land.

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Ancient Greeks did not fight like this.
Combat was usually scheduled to conclude in time for the harvest, at least between Greeks.
Gentleman's agreement arrangement.

it should have ended here but of course it didnt

so all they did was dig up some corpses from a fucking colony in italy and extrapolate that to the entirety of the eastern mediterranean? lmao

>I'm looking over at the stack of history books I read through for fun over the semesters
anyone who has ever gone to college knows that it's completely useless.

>Greeks fought well mannered gentlemanly wars and never targeted supply lines
What are you smoking? There was the synthians attacking the Macedonians supplies in 340 BC, if I'm remembering correctly is one example, as well as before the battle of Jaxartes, if I'm remembering the right battle, which also involved the scythians but was later on. Might be wrong on it being Jaxartes though

>Here's some historical claims with sources
>Nah bro the Spartans were all 6 feet tall and 200 lbs of pure muscle like my TV shows
Cope harder historylet.

I think you are seriously misinformed about the state of humanity up to the 19th and 20th centuries. Even 100 years ago, the height disparity between comparatively well fed American soldiers and underfed European soldiers was astounding, even in Northern Europe. If you think that some how ancient people ate better than people did in the 19th century, then you’re deluded

Not even believable enough to be retarded.

Would never go so far as to say "never"
Also 340BC would be towards the end of the Greek golden age.
And Scythians would have been considered literal barbarians.

>boxer
No chance. A Spartan from back then isn't going to sit around and play by unfair rules (I train nothing but standing jabs/hooks all day so when we fight we can't go on the ground or wrestle!) and will likely just jump on him and start tearing his face apart with his teeth if he somehow lost his weapon.
>powerlifter/strongman
No warrior spirit. The yelling is for show nobody gets into gym fights outside of gay porn. Will gas out quickly, his only chance is to knock the spartan over with his mass. The strength could work if he manages to get a good hold on the Spartan though.

Spartans just have the advantage of being bred to kill from birth. No hesitations or restrictions. All these MMA people, if you're not ripping ears off or jabbing out eyes with your finger nails you're not learning how to kill people in hand-to-hand combat.

Based
Reminder >The only things not acceptable were biting and gouging out the opponent's eyes.
This is an actual Olympic event they're talking about.

Things like joint manipulating and blows that could result in life-altering injury were allowed in pankration. Ball kicks, eye gouges, trachea grabs, throat strikes, stomping on the head/neck, elbows to the neck, downward elbows, caving in people's sternum, etc... They trained in all of that shit, especially their most athletic men. Are you bros really sure about this?

>Implying being really mean makes up for 100lbs of muscle
No

Yeah this except I have no problem with yelling. I have only done it once when I was a kid and it was a school gym, extremely autistic of course. But some bros just feel the need to let it out, consider bloatlord for instance. It keeps the twinks and w*men out of the way.

Gulo gulo would like to have a word with you.

Spartans were not only trained, but bred for combat. Their entire culture revolved around training.

Animal kingdom != Human differences

Do people not realize the majority of famous boxers come from shit backgrounds where they get beaten by their parents and have been fighting since they were 10 or younger.

The average 5'5" 110lb spartan would only stand a chance against featherweights if they closed the gap and got him on the ground. Reality isn't like the movie 300 they weren't 6'4" 220lb chads.

>Reality isn't like the movie 300 they weren't 6'4" 220lb chads.
Oh yeah, then explain
>King Archidamus of Sparta was fined for marrying a short wife because officials believed she would give birth to kinglets rather than kings.

>powerlifter
no
>strongman
no
>boxer
maybe a high level boxer that was good enough to not get hit, tied up, eyes gouged, etc

not romanticizing spartans necessarily. Just think if someone trained since childhood for an olympic sport, but that olympic sport was warfare, killing, survival, etc. BUDS for navy seals lasts less than a year. If somebody spent their entire life training to be a navy seal, they're probably be pretty good at it. Now imagine the whole society is built around making every child become a navy seal

Would someone trained to fight lose to someone trained not to fight lose? Wow OP did you think thamis through at all?

Their was no point in Greek history where they used slave armies - unless you're referring to the Spartans using freed helots, but even then they were overthrown by other Greeks.

one of the reasons the greeks had time for muh philosophy and muh western civilization was that they had enough food they could spend the days shooting the shit with the boys and guzzling wine at nightime

being trained in violence (for your entire life) makes up for not being a big guy that lifts weights a lot

i thought some slaves were on ships in the navy for athens or sparta, forget which though. i could be wrong

I thought the same thing but it turns out at the beginning and mid of the middle ages people were almost as tall as we are.
>news.osu.edu/men-from-early-middle-ages-were-nearly-as-tall-as-modern-people/