>start experiencing knee pain when squatting >post video on SS forum to get form check >it's good >pain gets worse >>rippetoe: keep squatting >pain gets even worse >take some time off and try again >now it's painful to even walk up some stairs >go to physiotherapist >tells me quad is weak in comparison to hamstring >find out that SS style squats neglect the quads >find out that the whole SS routine puts tons of focus on glutes and hamstring but not on quads
I'm now doing normal squats and my knee is improving this fucking blows.
how do you squat without using quads? literally what the fuck? next time you're gonna cry that you use too much triceps in your curls
Camden Parker
>itt OP is some retard who doesn’t stretch or foam roll or participate in any recovery and looks around flabbergasted as to why
Joseph Hall
Low bar garbage, I don't know why people still do this meme, it's as bad as subbing Sumo for Deadlift.
Mason Thomas
I don't stretch (bad) or foam roll (wtf?) and my knees are fine.
Squat with proper form and don't low bar.
Asher Walker
Low bar squat as advocated by SS uses predominantly the hamstring and glutes. Couple that with the fact that you also deadlift in SS using a similar movement and you can see why there's an imbalance.
Parker Sullivan
I did everything stated in the book. It sounds like you are unable to accept that the muscle imbalance was a cause even though it's common in patellofemoral pain.
Christian Fisher
lel, i can't believe people actually squat lowbar, never seen it in my life
Jaxon Kelly
Then stop doing the powershitter variation - lowbar is for fags.
Mason Brooks
I have, I just find it interesting that SS is the most recommended program here and elsewhere when most people aren't actually doing it the way it is described in the book
Carson Morris
i never actually seen anyone do it at the gym but i always hear online its good for muh posterior chain
Noah Myers
Why do you fucking people post? Can we have a normal fitness forum for a day? You know, ask questions; get answers, debate the merits of a particular lift, etc.
Instead we get this faggotry. This isn't even good trolling. Is it supposed to be ironic? Whatever it is, you failed to hit the mark. You weren't even on the paper.
Jesus help us. Reddit-tier summer faggots are the worst.
My left knee is also fucked from SS. Taught me not to take this forum seriously.
Nolan Smith
>forum
fuck off ;-)
Nathaniel Butler
>skinwalker.webm
Colton Cox
>my knees are fine For now.
Gavin Allen
That knee? Albert Einstein.
James Torres
I also did SS and had some knee issues, but I don’t think it was Rippetoes fault.
I had knee troubles for a long time and I finally bought a rehab book to help me figure out the issue. I think the book was called “Treat Your Own Knees” by Jim Johnson. He basically laid the cards on the table that 90% of knee problems will arise out of a weak quads. 10% will either be endurance, proprioceptive, or lack of movement.
For some reason or another, your knee has probably taken a minor blow to it. Perhaps you nailed it on the coffee table. Maybe you twisted it running outside, or something. When a knee experienced even a tiny amount of swelling for some reason the quads tend to shut off. When that happens, and you train, you will experience knee pain. Basically what you need to be doing is some leg extensions and do light squatting for a bit, (even low boar will work). Absolutely do not hesitate to do leg extensions before squatting. This will help your quads get warmed up and activated by the time you squat. Work up to a comfortable working weight, and eventually your weak quad side (knee problem side) will catch up.
And ice any knee pain after working out. It’s very important to keep the swelling down to keep up quad activation.
Hope this helps, m8. It did for me
Nicholas Smith
Not sure what you're angry about.
Jaxson Bennett
Thanks man I actually did some leg extensions hesitantly because I heard they were dangerous but it did relieve pain.
Wyatt Bailey
On the one hand, I want to defend Ripp's logic, because it's really unusual for modern, sedentary untrained people to developing your imbalance. Natural quad-dominance/weak posterior chain is the norm which SS takes into account and seeks to address. 7 months is also on the long side to be on the program - not unheard of, but it's pretty normal to move on to something else long before that.
On the other hand, I gave up on low-bar squats after about two weeks way back when I tried out SS because they felt like fucking shit, and I've literally never recommended them to anybody in the entire ten years that have passed between then and now. I have also never seen or heard of them being used by literally *anybody* other than gymcel "powerlifters" trying to push big numbers for the sake of big numbers.
So yeah, I guess SS is kinda retarded, but so are you for pushing through that knee pain just because a bunch of gymcels on the internet told you to. Never hesitate to experiment with alternatives if some technique truly isn't working for you senpai.
Keep doing them. And work in different rep ranges. 5-10. And even 15-20. Don’t be afraid to go to do rpe 9 or even to failure occasionally
Oliver Reed
>tfw front squat+dl combo Feels good
Christopher Ward
Post a link to the thread where Mark told you to keep squatting or you're a fucking liar
Oliver Turner
>Natural quad-dominance/weak posterior chain Why is this?
Brody White
This is bait or misinformation. Low bar squats are by far the safest on the knee. All squats are safe on the knees. All injuries are directly load related and idiot related. If you get injured lifting you’re lifting to heavy or you have a fluke experience.
Gabriel Robinson
Are you just really retarded?
Cooper Williams
Sitting
Joshua Ross
I don't see how hamstrings can work more than quads in either highbar or lowbar squatting. Due to knee rotation, your hamstrings relax in the bottom of the lift (both highbar/lowbar). There is some hamstring activation but it's minimal.
Lincoln Perry
switch to highbar, get some squatting shoes, and start doing frontsquats. fixed my knee problems permanently
Mason Young
Delicious pasta
Easton White
To the new people: This many anti-low-bar posts in a short time is how you know this is a troll.
Muscle systems are systems for a reason. The ONLY squat shown not to engage quads (as much an other squats) is a wide stance sumo squat. However, if you learn one thing today, know that there is no such thing as a push muscle. The only action muscles do is pull. None of them push.
With that bit of pre-school level biology out of the way: There's an old saying about squats: The quads do what they can; the hips do the rest (or something like that). Quad activation is as much about personal stance/lifting preference than the movement. Front-squats require the same muscle groups, you simply have to be more upright, which really only challenges spinal erectors to a greater degree than high or low back squats.
The hamstring contraction is greatest when doing ATG (ass-to-grass) squats because quads can only engage so much at depth. However, think of the "muscles only pull" thing. As you begin to go past 90 degrees, the quads are engaged along with the hamstrings and glutes to pull you upright.
Systems! See how that works?
But that's basic stuff. Multiple studies have shown virtually no statistically significant difference in quad activation across the three squats (front, back high, back low).
www.t-nation.com/training/inside-the-muscles-best-leg-glute-and-calf-exercises Low bar clearly uses less quads
Jaxon Thompson
No you dumb fuck, when you extend your knee you're using your quad irregardless. Low bar just includes more muscle mass as well as the quads
Eli Morales
>your hamstrings relax in the bottom of the lift This is why you cut the squat off when the hip crease passes below the knee in low bar Any further and your hamstrings relax as you've stated, if you want to lift a lot of weight you want to keep everything tight
Hudson Barnes
SS is a meme to fuck-over novices. You have to be a retard to think it is a good program.
Jacob Perez
What's normal squat? Serious question.
William Powell
>Irregardless Proving you're a retard, nice Yes it still uses the quad, obviously, there is just less force generated by the quads compared to other exercises
Nicholas Sanders
lmao, post legs. I gotta see what kind of dyel fucks up a novice program
Why did you write that much text? You spent most of it rambling condescendingly about the semantics of the idea of a push vs pull muscle and "an old saying about squats", complete non-sequiturs that literally nobody even brought up or disputed. The actual substance of what you're trying to say (that low-bar doesn't engage less quad than other kinds of squats) doesn't even come up until the *end* of your wild rambling, and even then only as a footnote insisting that it's written about in some other source material, not actually your post.
And even in all of that, you haven't even actually disputed the fundamental point: The idea that low-bar works more glute/hamstring relative to the quads, such that a trainee (like the OP) can end up with a problematic imbalance.
You've gone so deep into being a vacuous dickhead that I'm actually impressed you've managed to pull it off. Approximately how many sets of huffing your own farts do you do in a workout? I want to get on your level.
