Is this achievable natty?

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And this is Kai Greene next to a roiding NPC winner. It's genetics.

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manlets should be forced to watermark their pictures with their height

How do I take the hamstring pill brozers...

Genetics is everything in bodybuilding and response to drugs.

This is Lee Priest at around age 19 or 20 after juicing for about 1 year.

99% of guys look nothing like this after a year of roiding and will never look like this, or ever get this big no matter how long they juice for or how much juice they take.

This study shows that it is androgen receptor count in muscle that determines how well you respond to training and hormones.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6189473/

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>after juicing for about 1 year.
Lol no.

The guy on the left uses less gear and doesn't abuse the fuck out of hgh and slin. Yes, genetics matter, but the difference in that pic is mostly drugs.

Lee priest was already juicing hard at 16 and probably started juicing when he was 14. Not that unusual, arnold started juicing at 15.

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This is Jay Cutler after 1 year of training. Are you going to tell me that he was on hgh and slin at this point? It's mostly genetics, and the hgh + slin add the last few pounds.

forgot the pic

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>I blast big doses of steroids for several years and still look like nothing special, therefore it is inconceivable that people with better genetics than me exist, and respond extremely well to steroids.

youtube.com/watch?v=gUEK2mW8bQA

You can clearly see he starts to blow up at around 18/19.

youtube.com/watch?v=C0Z_rpapUMA

He says in this video he started steroids at age 19.

I know it's hard for your ego to accept that you just don't have good genetics like some other people, hence your defensive mechanism to save your ego.

Think about it for a second, massive amounts of people take steroids around the world in high doses, why do the vast majority of them have nowhere near the development of Lee Priest at age 19? And they never will ever no matter how much they take.

See: >b-but he said he was natty until 19!!
You're an idiot.

He's natural there.

He blew up in size at age 18/19.
He states that he started steroids at 19.
Some people just have better genetics, deal with it, you will never look like him no matter what or how much you take or how long you take them.

He's natural there.
Whats so hard to understand about this?

No, that's Jay Cutler after 5 years of training and he's clearly juicing. You're dumb as hell. That pic you posted is him at 19 years old, this pic is of him at 15.

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Low bodyfat is a meme. If you want to look cut and be natty, you're gonna look small, unfortunately. Thankfully women are retarded so it doesn't matter.
IMO, the best balance for aesthetics and strength building is 14-16% BF. But ultimately, you should do you.
Lift for you goal. If you're not fat, some women will want to fuck you. And remember that as soon as a woman is horny, her preferences will disappear. A horny woman will fuck anything, niggers, dogs - she'll hump a fucking tree to get off. So don't even worry about it.

>he actually believes he's natty there
Lmfao. Gullible retards never cease to amaze.

Here are Lee Priests parents, he clearly got double muscle building genetics from both his parents.

But keep blasting grams of gear so you can have 16 inch arms. What do your parents look like?

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>both of his parents are clearly juicing
>shocked that lee priest starts juicing at 14
Are you fucking retarded? This makes perfect sense now. I mean, what's the easiest way for a 14 year old to get gear? From his parents.

This thread shows that there are a large amount of people here with the same delusion redditers suffer from. You CAN'T be lean and big NATTY.
>muh genetics
If he is a human, the law still applies you retard.

There are people who are 4 feet tall and people who are 7 feet tall.

There are people with 3 inch dicks and people with 10 inch dicks.

There are people with 180 IQs and people with 50 IQs.

Why is it that when it comes to bodybuilding, everyone assumes that great physiques are built by drugs? Maybe Lee Priest is lying, or maybe he's just the Yao Ming of muscle building genetics.

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The roids his parents took do not become part of their genes. This picture does not show his parents genetics. It only shows that he was raised in a home where both mom and dad took steroids, and soon, with this easy access and family acceptance, he was taking them too.
Please, I know you are dumb and delusional, so just shut up, retard.

Because that's not how the human body works. Yes, there is a notable difference in steroid response, but it isn't quite as significant as people ITT are portraying. Lee priest has a combination of amazing muscle insertions, bone structure, good response to drugs AND he started juicing at 14. Who cares? He looked great.

He, like arnold, are good examples of why "wait until you're old to juice!" is such a shitty meme. Arnold, priest, cutler etc. all were looking insane at 19 years old because they started early.

Jeff isn't that lean (10% body fat), in amazing lighting and carbed/pumped up for a photoshoot. He looks natural under normal circumstances.

instagram.com/p/BzrXnvqHpuO/

woowoo wwoo

>Literally gives diseases as examples NB to how different humans can be
Let's still give your "argument" some credit and ask ourselves why scientists wouldn't study these individuals' so superior muscular and athletical perfomance genetics instead of studying the ROIDS they taks?
>Yeah, why would he lie to make himself look like Yao Ming
Stop it.

Retards after retards... I'm already tired.

>NB
I don't know how I typed it on my phone, but it has no meaning.

Yes a 40+ year old woman is going to juice just for one contest in the 1980's before the internet and instagram, when there was no steroid culture like there is today.

I actually trained at gyms during the 90's in Australia. Steroid use back then was nothing like it is today.

Check out the imports and arrests for steroids in Australia. Note the huge increase starting in the last decade. Before this steroids weren't a popular fad in fitness like they are today where every second person at the gym is "blasting and cruising" with their 15.5" arms.

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Yes, a 40+ year old woman took steroids just for one competition back in the 80's when barely anyone used steroids.

>being this willfully ignorant
That woman is blatantly on steroids. You know literally nothing about the subject if you disagree.

>i-it was less common so that means it's IMPOSSIBLE for them to be juicing!
Are you fucking 17?

Lee Priest started juicing at 19, he said so himself. That also seems to coincide with him blowing the fuck up in muscle size.

How's your grams of test, tren, and anadrol blast going?

Have you cracked the 16" arm barrier yet?

>why scientists wouldn't study these individuals' so superior muscular and athletical perfomance genetics instead of studying the ROIDS they taks?
Why don't scientists just study what makes people smart and make that into a drug? It's not that simple. Steroids, insulin hgh are the only genetic factors of muscle growth that we've managed to put into drug form.

Most steroid users aren't athletes.
These people are obviously juicing and you're naive/retarded/delusional.

webmd.com/men/news/20071012/most-steroid-users-not-athletes

>he said so himself.
>he didn't want to admit his parents juiced up their 14 year old child
Amazing.

>That also seems to coincide with him blowing the fuck up in muscle size.
Gee, maybe he stepped up the doses and compounds?

>tfw you'll never be a mass monster

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You could be if you had the extreme dedication it takes and the money to afford all that hgh and insulin.

Why the fuck would a parent juice a 14 year old kid. Are you retarded?

>Gee, maybe he stepped up the doses and compounds?

Yes, he was on a compound called natural testosterone and puberty combined with phenomenal rare genetics for muscle growth ability.

Then he stepped up the dose by starting his first cycle at 19, and this clearly causes his body to completely explode to the next level.

Keep making excuses for your own muscle building inadequacies.

There's so much variability in muscle gain genetics that in one study of 585 people, the top responders gained 59% muscle size and the bottom responders LOST 2% size, doing the exact same 12-week protocol.

t-nation.com/training/truth-about-bodybuilding-genetics

genetics themselves DO not matter, its the
expression of those genetics that are the key to your potential.
Your lineage, where your ancestors came from and what they did in history is the most important factor. Its how samoans for instance, have amazing potential at getting easy muscle mass.
Everyones human - but some humans have better genetic expression than others because they needed it at one point

>Why the fuck would a parent juice a 14 year old kid.
Because they used steroids themselves and their kid had been into bodybuilding for years? Arnold started at 15.

>Yes, he was on a compound called natural testosterone and puberty
Dumb as hell. Lmao.

Without even looking at that study I 100% guarantee it's completely fucking retarded.

imagine being this retarded lol christ

Don't bother arguing with these people, they can't fathom that some very lucky few people can build muscle easily naturally, and blow up when they take steroids to the point that they can compete at the top levels in bodybuilding in a short time, meanwhile the sceptics are blasting and cruising big doses of test and tren and can barely fit a large t-shirt.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6189473/
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6189473/

You're right, the only thing separating you from Mr. Olympia is drugs.
Enjoy dying in your 40s like Rich Piana and Dallas McCarver because you took 10g of gear and 10iu of hgh in a delusional attempt to become a mass monster.

Except Dallas Mccarver was a mass monster, a top 10 IFBB pro.

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>i-it's all genetics, nobody would really juice as a minor, right?

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This.

Ronnie Coleman only took 1.5 grams of gear and a bit of slin and GH in the mid 90's to compete at the Olympia. Meanwhile guys with inferior genetics like Dallas McCarver and Bostin Lloyd have to mega dose everything and still don't come close.

youtube.com/watch?v=nZTty-tCWTc

People on Jow Forums just don't seem to understand the importance of genetics here. Probably because they blast steroids themselves and look like total shit, and come to the wrong conclusions.

>3+ grams of gear? Won't even do anything unless ur the top genetic freak!
>*random youtuber makes insane 1 year progress*

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>Ronnie Coleman only took 1.5 grams of gear and a bit of slin and GH
LOL. Imagine believing this.

>just because the kids father gave some dbol to his kid automatically means that Lee Priest started juicing at 14. It's logic.

>lee priest is beyond natty at 16
>both parents juice
Yeah, it's pretty obvious what happened.

+ grams of gear? Won't even do anything unless ur the top genetic freak!
>>*random youtuber makes insane 1 year progress*

He looks like total shit compared to Lee Priest at 20.

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>*at 16 years old be way bigger and leaner than eugene sandow*
>it's all natty I swear!

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and he still gets mogged by any Mr. Olympia competitor

That's cool, priest had been juicing for 6 years by that point. Kavensky only started at 17 ;)

Lee still has his hair too, must be the lower doses and cycling off, and not permablasting like that Kanevski goon.

Sandow was 5'10 and Lee is 5'4.
Compress Sandow down into 5.4 proportions and keep the muscle mass.
Also, Lee Priest has better muscle building genetics to Sandow.

Pro BBers don't cycle off. It's more likely that kavensky just has shit hair genetics or its because of using compounds like masteron for contest prep that btfo his hair

That picture is the results of the life long work of sandow. Priest was fucking 16. He was juicing. Get over it.

>If he keeps taking steroids non stop he will eventually reach the same muscularity as Lee at age 20. Nothing to do with genetics.

There were like 10000 people bodybuilding at that time and Sandow wasn't even the best one.

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>If he keeps taking steroids non stop
No competing bodybuilder cycles off. Not even in the 70's.

>not even lean enough to have abs
Lmao. Retard. What don't you understand about natty bodybuilding? You can't be lean AND big. That's why lee priest at 16 is clearly juicing, he's lean, big and only 16.

Sandow doesn't have good genetics.

Here's some random poor African kids who train in ghetto gyms.

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>100% natty
>fake tan

They're juicing you dumbfuck.

>they're just dumb niggers, they don't even know how to juice!
Yeah ok retard.

Kevin Levrone use to cycle off between comps.
So did Lee Priest.
It's called genetics. They don't need to permablast because of it.

Pic is Levrone at the beginning of his contest prep in 2002.

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>big
He's 5'4 with exceptional muscle building genetics. One in a million.

No they didn't you fucking retard. Bulking up during off season isn't cycling off. How little do you know about bodybuilding?

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>He takes steroids so he can be muscular for his poverty diving for sand job.

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He had bulk cycles and cut cycles and went off in between.

No. When you're that far beyond natty big you never come off. If you do, you'll immediately start dropping size.

>posts a pic of different guys who are clearly much smaller
Dumbass.

>World's most perfectly developed man

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Why did Ronnie Coleman first develop gyno in 1998 (the year he first won Mr Olympia).

Normally people who roid and have gyno genetics, get signs of gyno pretty early on in their roiding careers. You hear of guys getting gyno on their first 500mg test cycle.

It's obvious that pre 1998 Ronnie took far less steroids than post 1998.

He even mentions to that effect in this video:

youtube.com/watch?v=cR1KFXssow0

>misses the point

These guys are quite muscular without lifting weights or taking steroids.

It's called genetics.
Imagine if they lifted heavy weights.

Obviously it's because he was natty all the way up until 1998. Dem genetics.

No. They're lean you idiot. They aren't muscular. You can be small and lean natty or you can be big and fat natty.

I’m just going to leave this here

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Yes, Jeff gets mogged by pre roid era bodybuilders and has good genetics. He looks huge in some photos he post but in his videos he doesn't look particularly remarkable, compare him to Eric Helms when they work out together.

This video was created circa 1998, Ronnie states he took 1.5 g of gear + gh/slin/

youtube.com/watch?v=nZTty-tCWTc

Then in this video he states that 1995 he was clueless about what it takes to win shows and was informed by Flex Wheeler about real dosages and compounds:

youtube.com/watch?v=cR1KFXssow0

The implication is that he took low doses at the beginning and then started to step it up around 1995 and then when he really upped the dose he got gyno and won the olympia in 1998.

Pic is 1998 when gyno first appeared for Ronnie despite competing at a high level for several years already.

Gyno usually becomes apparent early on during steroids use, or when doses are stepped up to a higher level.

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This shows that Ronnie was on the olympia stage on relatively low doses combined with amazing genetics, but he needed to increase the doses in order to win it outright.

do you guys attract more women with or without beard?

While I need to finish a cut, I'm bigger than him and fully natty

That's bullshit

This honestly
As long as you aren’t literally fat, like no muscle mass blob type of fat you’re good
Even bearmode guys are good, as long as you look muscular women dont mind the slightest if you are 12,13,14, or 19% bodyfat

The only people who care about miniscule bodyfat differences are metrosexual bodybuilders

lmao he fell for the 1.5g meme

Are people ITT unironically claiming he was natty in that pic? Lmao.

Holy shit, Ronnie looks Jewish as fuck in this video.
Is he?

Alright, now it's clear you're trolling.
Shame, it was believable until now.