Why does there seem to be such a strong movement in the media to condemn vaping and treat it like a crisis when there...

>Targeting children is bad, yes but where you draw the line on this isn't clear.
It's absolutely clear. Targeting children with a substance as addictive as heroin is morally bankrupt. You sound like an industry lobbyist or are just incredibly stupid.

>it literally destroys your body
no it doesnt, heroin has barely any direct effects on the body besides liver damage (which only happens with extremely heavy and frequent use), heroin addicts are so unhealthy because of their lifestyles, it's far less taxing on the body than cigarettes or alcohol

Heroin suppresses function in your medulla oblongata which regulates your autonomic survival responses like breathing. I can't think of anything more taxing that stopping your fucking breathing. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10707430

Maybe if you ignore the fact that most addicts are shooting and/or smoking their heroin.

that happens with extreme doses and only while it's in your system, you can't compare it to the long-term side effects of smoking

>deaths by vaping
>0
>deaths by obesity, heart disease, and lack of activity
>literally >75% of american deaths

but the media will continue to say VAPING BAD VAPING BAD VAPING BAD
BUY OUR BURGERS AND WATCH GAME OF THRONES BTW

fuck the media
if they actually cared about health they'd be condemning fast food and sedentary lifestyles

I've never seen some one attempt to defend heroin in my entire life.

Did you have a horrible child hood? How long have you been around it?

Is this literally a vape shill thread

Because now that cig smoking is dying, all the anti-smoking groups need a new enemy so they can remain relevant and still get donor money for their crusade.

How is this fitness related what the fuck

>zoomers look at cigs and cigars as dumb boomer shit
>proceeds to buy and use vapes and pens
its the gayest fucking thing on the planet I respect dumb niggers who smoke weed over retarded zoomers with these

yeah
i'm also shilling for you to buy a tub of donkey cum and fucking drown in it

the anti-vaping media is fucking absurd
in reality the real danger to western health is their diets and lifestyle, but because of some naive boomers, now all we see on media is anti-vaping messages

it's just fucking stupid
i don't even vape, that shit's beyond gay
but still

Nicotine increases mental alertness and boosts testosterone

(((Some people))) worked very hard on (((anti-tobacco brainwashing and shaming))) over the past 30 years and don't want it to be undone because it turns (((basedboys))) into badgoys

because big tobacco is losing BILLIONS to vaping -- specifically JUUL. I think it's fucked up that JUUL brought their product into schools of young children, but there are virtually no side effects from nicotine in healthy adults. Is it addictive? Yes, but my girlfriend is a huge faggot and is standing behind me reading my post. I gotta go lol

But what does "targeting children" mean in practice? Mango Juuls supposedly targeted children and yet since their ban, that hasn't had any effect on their popularity with teens. You need to define your policy proposals, not offer empty platitudes.

cuz its gay

This. Thread fucking over. Everyone’s already known this. Big tobacco is putting millions of dollars into shilling against JUUL.

actual answer:
because it's popular, so condemning it gets hack journalists rage clicks and therefore revenue

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because it raises DHT, testosterone and acts an aromatase inhibitor. (((they))) don't want young men to be more masculine.

Altria owns 35% of JUUL.
There's truth to this I think.

I never see anyone vaping and I live in a huge city.

>How is this fitness related what the fuck
>how is VO2 max replated to fitness

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because xanax-popping, day-drinking, stay-at-home moms that have a blog need something to complain about. Sadly, enough of these fat cunts got together to make a stink to get JUUL in trouble. Nicotine is literally patrician taste and boosts tests. Cigarettes, on the other hand, will fucking kill you.

>nicotine alone
shit tier taste, cigars/snus

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>admitting to smoking anything at all on a fitness board

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based and cancerpilled

>caring about shitness instead of pure strength and muscle mass
fucking normies

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>he thinks that inhaling vapor laced with addictive chemicals is at all healthy

Thats a yikes from me dog

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>at all healthy
notice how I said "I'm not saying vaping is good for people"

Exchanging vices or comparing one very unhealthy thing to another unhealthy thing is NGMI COPE

PUT. THE VAPE. DOWN.

YOU ADDICT.

I'm not talking about what personal habits are preferential to others. I am asking why the media's coverage of things like vaping is so disproportionate compared to actual things that harm people.

I'm kinda split between cigarettes and vaping and desu I prefer cigs because they actually hit (if you smoke one per hr) and with vaping you're constantly inhaling and not feeling shit. Vaping is healthier I believe because there's no internal conbustion and I imagine it's better for your lungs. Could be wrong though

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Only literal man-babies and women vape

>"I never feel anything when I vape"
>continues to vape instead of just stopping
what weak willed faggots you all are

lost 30kg and close to ottermode, one thing at a time bro. aiming to quit once I only have to focus on nicotine cravings and not insane hunger as well.

>defending heroin on a fitness forum

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>Well it kind of does. Government resources are finite
Witnessing someone understand economics is like a breath of fresh air. Thank you user.

>thread about vaping turns into people arguing about companies not targeting young teens and another guy arguing heroin isnt bad for your health

Now this is entertainment

if you get the JUUL pods that are 5%, they hit harder than cigarettes. That little "sting" you get is actually from the nicotine, not the tobacco.

Ya, the damage comes from modes of ingestion, which allows it to be minimized more easily than something which directly fucks up your body like alcohol. In practice this just means that the rich and otherwise well adjusted can function as heroin addicts pretty easily for a long time, but a lot of heroin users don't fall into those demographics. They're often mentally unwell, and on the poorer and more desperate end of the spectrum. They tend to struggle to find clean needles and heroine that isn't laced with poison. Hence the public health crisis.

Vaping is gay as shit

>CNN

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>hear zoomers who've never smoked a cigarette talking about how their vaping is a bad habit and they really need to cut back.
It's like watching a kid play pretend or some shit

I thought it was the tobacco industry killing competition to stop people from quitting smoking.

>when there are dozens of things that actually kill people and are far more damaging that people overlook?
such as?
>these delusional journalists and politicians prioritizing fighting it over something like obesity or opioids?
because everyone already know those things are bad so there would be no point

>thinking normies give a shit about their health
normies just blast roids get big and lean then go out doing molly and coke every weekend
not giving a shit about your health and just wanting to be big and strong is literal normie tier

my mate and his gf vape non stop 24/7. i don't care if it's hurting them, it just pisses me off with the sound it makes and the constant cloud around them. gives me a sore throat too if i spend too long with them. fuck vaping, quit like a real man pussy.

OP should've known smokers, vegans, and atheists are the holy trinity of people to never talk to.

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Because it gets clicks

Is it the actual nicotine itself though, or the hundreds of additives to cigarettes? I have a cigar or hookah maybe once every few months, but see absolutely no way I could ever get addicted to that.

Only you yanks are this gay about cigs.
Lmao, anti tobacco laws were passed in my country and after 8 years it’s in the same levels now as when they banned it.

>you yanks should be smoking a pack a day like us yuros lmao
>not wanting a face full of smoke when you step into a public place is a yankism rofl
you're a child

OY VEY THE KIDS ARE INHALING VAPOR
QUICK SELL THEM MENTHOL CIGARETTES

It's more than just tobacco laws. There are propaganda campaigns all over television, any printed material, even assemblies in schools (South Park once did a pretty accurate representation of this) to demonize smoking and ostracize smokers, something I think we should also do with fast/junk food and fat people. Ironically, one of the television ads, the "Swipe it left" campaign in one scene shows a fat guy with a fuckton of syrupy pancakes singing about how he swipes left on Tinder sluts who have pictures of themselves smoking on their profiles.

It is. You can't get addicted to vaping. It doesn't even help anyone quit smoking who wouldn't have also stopped without it. It's less harmful than literally air in most places too, so these think of the children arguments are nothing but disgusting corporate funded propaganda.

>second coming of the tobacco industry,
Vapes don't have tobacco. Nice try kike.

>face full of smoke when you step into a public place
literally never happens, also city smog is more cancerous

>You can't get addicted to vaping

vaping is so fucking gay, what retard convinced you to also be a retard?

I guess you could get a psychological addiction to the tinkering and toying aspect, but that would either be a symptom of being a piece of shit buyfag or just a healthy hobby if you're making them shits yourself.

It is better than being fat. And nicotine has been shown to increase cognitive abilities better than caffeine without as much harm to your sleep.
Fuck addiction. But America was more based, skinny, and white when we were smoking more.
>but it lowers sperm count!
That's why the baby boomers were produced by the generation that smoked without a filter it only takes one cell. Just fuck more.

The reason that nicotine is taken more seriously than obesity despite accounting for fewer deaths is that food choice has historically been a liberty that needs very little regulation, whereas nicotine historically has taken the form of tobacco - which the whole world got addicted to, only to be shocked to hear that 1. its consumption directly led to a multitude of debilitating illnesses 2. the tobacco industry knew this fact and tried to suppress it (then evade liability at all costs), and 3. never once tried to stop putting cigarettes into as many mouths as possible. The reaction against tobacco was popular.

Vaping almost certainly isn't as unhealthy as traditional forms of tobacco use, but it is still morally bankrupt to let these firms target children. Which they definitely do. Again, the difference between nicotine and sugar is that we don't need nicotine but we do need food, virtually all of which contains sugar, and it is deeply illiberal to force everybody to eat nothing but steak and whey. The vast majority of this board would bitch non-stop if their locale illegalized sweetened beverages, let alone fruits and cereals.

5 years ago no one i knew vaped
Now many do
If it were all people moving from smoking to vaping then it wouldn't be as concerning, but countless people, especially young people, are picking up nicotine addictions
You sound be able to report on an issue without implying related issues are important
That being said, it is easier to attack caping since the parties responsible aren't nearly as institutionalized as in the case of obesity or opiods

>defending vapes

lmao I can picture as a 22 year old still working at a fast food joint with no prospects

I think vaping is gay as fuck but i don't like the idea of something becoming massively popular and then getting public opinion turned against it until it's banned. Same with smoking cigarettes. I couldn't give a fuck if people want/need to smoke, there should be some laws prohibiting smoking in certain areas, but for fucks sake, here in Leafland you can't even SMOKE ON YOUR PORCH. You have to be at least 15 feet (something like that) from any domescile I believe including your own. I'm talking out my ass here but I hear people complaining about here all the time. I don't smoke personally so I don't really know the details.

But if there are no kids around or elderly people should be able to smoke as they please. The outdoors are public spaces (I don't give a fuck what the law says on that one).

>t. NEET with no prospects

Read my post again and let it sink in. You need to realize that you need to do something more with your life than lift and work a shit job. So sorry you have to resort to projection to feel superior

>t. NEET with no prospects that is now angry
kek. fuck off kiddo.

you don't need added sugars in food

It’s not your fault

And 10 years ago when I was in college, like 50% of campus smoked cigarettes. Now I hardly see anyone smoking cigs when I pass through.

DON'T YOU DO ME LIKE THIS MAN - NOT YOU

Because vaping is Big Tobacco giving the government the middle finger and they're fucking seething. Also, come to think of it, they're probably trying to drum up anti vaping hysteria to push through further restrictions on nicotine, probably on the basis of ig being a gateway drug or something. Good luck getting that shit to fly while the libtards are simultaneously pushing weed legalisation.

That's reassuring, and I'm not saying it isn't true but ate you sure the school didn't just ban smoking on campus, like mine and many others?

Guess which companies own the major vape brands.

For me, it was the data that shows that nicotine fights insulin resistance, staves off appetite, and gives you better mental clarity and focus. It also is a pretty good conversation starter as my school made vape users stand with the regular smokers. I was painfully shy back then, but my fellow nicotine slaves opened me up.
So vape got me down from 27% to under 15% bodyfat. Helped me study and make the dean's list my last two years, and socialized me.
>why are all these losers defending vape?
Because I don't feel like such a loser anymore. And I'd like to keep that up.

Nicotine is not more addictive than heroin. Stop quoting this stupid fucking study. I've been addicted to both for years, trust me.

Nobody sucks dicks for cigarettes.

Food industry targets kids way, way more, and damages kids, way, way more. Vaping is bad but in every aspect you can point to 3 things in Western culture that are demonstrably worse

Are you a shill? You sound like a shill.

Only downers are allowed because the powers don't want you uppity beside coffee ie wagie juice.

If that's true, why aren't there any chain smoking top athletes?

Micheal Jordan had cigars before events. It's wasn't a flex it was doping, esp with his innate starting abilities.

It's pretty much all Juul's fault for heavily marketing to minors and scaring people about the second coming of the tobacco industry (which is intertwined with Juul).

Yea but choosing the wrong crisis to focus on is just because people are retarded. I don't know if you've noticed, but the average person if a fucking idiot. The idiocy gets worse when you talk about "people" instead of a person.

>I'm not saying vaping is good for people but why are these delusional journalists and politicians prioritizing fighting it over something like obesity or opioids?

Because "that new thing a lot of people are doing now is destroying health/society" is an evergreen topic of fascination. You can go back ten, a hundred or a thousand years and you'll see it keep coming up.

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tobacco industry trying to get people to back to smoking.

One of the problems with trying to have any discussion about nicotine is that, like you just did, people associate nicotine with smoking, particularly cigarettes. A cigarette is a terrible delivery method for a perfectly fine drug. Chain smoking would cause enough lung damage that only chess players would benefit from it.

But if you want to enjoy the benefits of nicotine, why not try some gum? Patches? Vaping? You could even buy freebase nic, dip a finger in it and stick it up your ass, it would still work.

Juul helped me quit smoking.

This is the true redpill.

Nicotine isn't addictive

What about your ass?

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