/fast/ - #470 - Eternal Struggle Edition

>Why water fast when dry fasting is so much easier, faster, and effective?

>easier
Not really. Tried a few myself and gave up after 48 hours, whereas water fasting (on SJ) for weeks on end is perfectly possible.

>faster
Not really

>effective
Perhaps slightly more effective, by 25% or more over a comparable water fast of 48 hours (personal / anecdotal evidence only)

There ARE reasons why dry fasts are more effective than water fasts (autophagy, clearing skin problems, dealing with water retention, etc.), but they aren't the advantages you've listed.

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I'm about to go on holiday tomorrow and I'm planning on fasting on snake juice for another 3-4 days. Problem is that its a family reunion sort of a thing, and I don't know how to keep my fast up and not eat alongside everyone without seeming completely autistic sipping on my saltwater. These guys are very traditional and will just think of me as retarded 100%.

Then break your fast for the occasion, stick to ketogenic foods and go back to fasting immediately afterwards.

Not perfect, but not autistic either.

New to fasting. Did some quick searches about consuming coffee at the same time. Drinking coffee doesn't affect the fast when kept under 50 calories. Coffee is without sweeteners and other milk or creams. pure.
Is it correct?

Yes. Black, unsweetened coffee has about 5 calories per cup. Not exactly "Nil by mouth" fasting, but my argument has always been that it perks me up and allows me to fast for longer so fuck anyone who thinks I shouldn't.

YMMV

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112 hours into my SJ fast
I've got one question. Do electrolytes interfere with autophagy? I'm hoping that it would heal my skin

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Not sure, but maybe this will help to answer the question for you?

idmprogram.com/fasting-and-autophagy-fasting-25/

Should I be running while snake juice fasting?

>Every person is different but 99.9% of fit and healthy individuals eat healthy and workout daily and don't ever need to try drastic crash diets.

Sorry dude, but this has totally not been my experience at all.

I posted about this in the last thread... you have NO idea how frustrating it is to implement a caloric deficit, carefully measure/weigh foods, carefully eat your 5 small meals a day, religiously get to the gym for lifting + extra cardio, turn down all alcohol, snacks, and social foods... and watch the scale literally stay unchanged week over week.

I'm not arguing that I beat the laws of thermodynamics. As a 6'2" 215lb guy eating 1800 calories while lifting, though, I should have been dropping a lot. Maybe I miscounted calories, didn't calculate the right TDEE, or (somehow) ate bigger portions than I thought. Maybe my infrequent cheat meals somehow reversed all of the progress of 7-10 days at a deficit. It doesn't matter. What matters is that I was being insanely disciplined, hungry all the time, and generally feeling weak/miserable to absolutely no effect.

For years I'm obsessing over diet and exercise. I try paleo, keto, IF, and nothing works. Again, I'm not saying that I was doing it RIGHT — clearly I wasn't if I wasn't dropping weight —but I felt like I was absolutely killing myself, and seeing nothing.

Finally, I start fasting, and it's like a damn miracle. Body fat is melting, I feel amazing, and I'm able to thoroughly re-evaluate my relationship with food. It's incredible. At long last, I'm actually going to be the "after" in my "before and after" story.

So enough with the bland aphorisms about how "99.9%" of people lose weight. You're taking the insanely complex stew of hormones and biomechanics that create obesity and trying to write it off as simpler than it actually is.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, fast harder, fatty!

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take the bread and water pill

>let the bread be hard and grimy. Endure all this for three or four days at a time, sometimes for more, so that it may be a test of yourself instead of a mere hobby. Then, I assure you, my dear Lucilius, you will leap for joy when filled with a pennyworth of food, and you will understand that a man's peace of mind does not depend upon Fortune; for, even when angry she grants enough for our needs.

t. seneca

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>carbs
bro

>why are you so fat bro?
>they only gave me bread and water in prison mang

PLease respond

>Should I be running while snake juice fasting?
You can do. I do both running and cycling while Snake Juice fasting and it's very good / enjoyable / effective.

Yup. Same here.

Yeah. No thanks. Gonna pass. I'd prefer to eat like a fucking normal human being and fast periodically as required to maintain a normal healthy weight.

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I'm down 25 kilos since Jan 1st thanks to /fast/.

To anyone calling this a crash diet or a gimmick, it's not. Not as long as you stick with it and let nature take its course. I barely fast these days, only OMAD, but it's because I have repaired myself to the point where I eat healthy. The most important was in January-march where I would consistently do 5 day fasts, which made me crave healthy food. Never in my life did I crave green pepper, and fish. Now it's like my favourite food. I barely est sugar, and it simply does not tempt me. Fasting is literally the most based thing invented, even more based than the tv show Nathan For You.

Brainlet here, what does this chart mean?

Can you explain this to me? Is that how many calories our body gets from each of those macros on fast? That point where the carbs and fat/ketones line cross would be where your piss starts to turn keto sticks darker? And the protein line on fast, is that how many calories a day (converted to g of protein) of muscle burn you get since you aren't eating protein on fast?

>Brainlet here, what does this chart mean?
Hopefully this article by Dr. Jason Fung will clarify...

dietdoctor.com/does-fasting-burn-muscle

Post body faggot. The only fasting skeptics are frauds and fatties who don't ever fast. Fasting is the cheapest and most effective, healthy, means of staying in good shape (in addition to not eating like shit and exercising, which everyone should do) period.

I did a couple of long fasting sessions over the last few months and I think I'm biotin deficient
got some deterioration on one of my nails and noticed hair thinning and itchy skin
I would also eat raw eggs on refeeds often but apparently egg-white, when uncooked, has a protein that binds to biotin and makes it unabsorbable
basically i'm a retard

When you're fasting make sure you get alot of water soluble vitamins when eating again bros, they need to be replenished since they dont store in fat

I think I'm low test, my lower body/belly fat doesn't go away even though I'm very muscled.
Can fasting aggressively solve this?

absofuckinglutely

>Can fasting aggressively solve this?
Sure. When you say you are "very muscled" what body fat % are we talking here?

Bodyfat is at around 16% I think. That might be low according to some standards, but I NEVER got below that regardless of my diet or exercise.

What type of fast would be most beneficial for people with this predicament?

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Gotcha. Yes, that's excellent progress. Fasting is definitely what you need to push through that barrier and get rid of the remaining fat.

I did on a 7 day black fast starting around June 1st. I'm a retard, I put two drops under my tongue on the second day and it was horrible. Take my advice, if you have to use clen, don't couple it with fasting.

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Pretty much yeah, went from 285 to 185 in under five months. Things will never be the same for me, wish I had done it ten years ago @ 25

I'll back this all day

here

What type of fasting is best here? 72 hour? Intermittent? Or anything in between? A bit afraid to lose my gains from lack of food

Generally the longer the fast the more dramatic the improvement. Currently on a 20 day liquid fast supported by Snake Juice to lose around 20KG.

Is impotence normal during fast?

>Is impotence normal during fast?
Err...I've not experienced that myself.

Just do your routine but at a weight you're not pushing things with to remind your body they're in use. The main cause of muscle atrophy is disuse. You just won't be making huge muscle gains on a fast.

Not uncommon. If your body thinks food is scarce, it doesn't want you fucking, for a number of reasons.

I've fapped a few times while fasting, mostly out of boredom, and I can barely get into it. I imagine sex would be really hard.

The good news is that it comes roaring back when you start eating.

tell your family to fuck off

>tell your family to fuck off
Just because you are a shut in who shuns perfectly normal social and family connections, doesn't mean we all are...

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>not listening to your own internal dialogue and what you know is right

this is good shit - for people like wah i want to eat normally like the point is not to eat well its about the absence of quality and the recognition that life is so much better than you may perceive it to be

New PR, not bad considering I'm only about 10% body fat. Feeling good, but starting to get a bit physically sluggish.

I was a sexual tyrannosaurus last night, 48 hours in, she said I should do extended fasts more often lel

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>not listening to your own internal dialogue and what you know is right

Yes, Dennis, Patricia, Hedwig, The Beast, Kevin Wendell, Crumb, Barry, Orwell and Jade.

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im just saying only pussies and pushovers cave to external influence - you can be a perfectly happy and sociable person and a joy to be around at family gatherings - that doesnt mean though that you need to crave to the pressures of conformity. People will respect the abstention and inquire and be curious and it is a great talking point, if you just sit there during dinner quietly and only sip sj without providing reasons like yeah thats fucking weird and I understand why people wouldnt want to do that. People fast like theyre hiding a murder or something.

from my view it looks more like intimidation to not be judged. yeah it is kind of odd, but so is not being convicted.

Lmao @ tyrannosaurus
Maybe it's the heat that makes my dick go limp then, really weird.

Fuck you faggot ive done everything and nothing worked. Fasting helped me lose 120 pounds to reach my goals. It has taught me discipline to a T, enough to start up again after falling off the wagon HARD. Right now I'm going 30 pounds off in 2 months. See you faggots when I'm leaner than you fatties after another EZ -74 Pounds.

Lads, day 5 here and I'm feeling pretty fucking good. Just water, not even doing the saline solution yet.

Gotta say however days 3-4 were absolutely shit in terms of energy level and reaction of my brain. AT this rate, I feel I can go on for another month..

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You can't go a few weeks without water, you drooling retard.

Not only does coffee have some caloric value, but also contains chemicals that need to be metabolized by your liver, so it does disrupt the body entering into starvation mode and resets your timer.

Just water, faggot.

Absolutely this.

my head hurts and i dont have any snake juice
25 hours in a 48 hour fast aaaaa

Get fucked you Fast Nazi

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Anyone gonna help me out here?

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cardio yes resistance training no

shit well boxing is both isnt it - just keep up your training fuck it

on day 3 of water/food fast starting to get dizzy and sleepy alot guys what do

Are you taking snake juice? lack of electrolytes could be the main cause

First three days are a grind because your brain is messing with your sugar addiction.

Alright i wanna try this. Will fasting on weekends help in any way or it's not enough to have any effects?

Since it's the days i don't workout i wanted to simply not even eat. Not sure if it could hurt gains though.

You need to get at least 4 days of strictly water fasting to even get into ketosis mode. Anything short of that is kinda useless.

2nd day of fast, now diarrhea, now what?

I usually have a bowel movement during the first 48 hours of my fast. Totally normal.

But if its super watery, look into how much snake jucie youre drinking. You may be getting too much saly too quickly. I personally dont drink snake juice until after the 72 hour mark..

Im over 90 hours into my fast, and i just had a second bowel movement for the first time ever. Must been that donut i ate 3 weeks ago. Knew that was a mistake

Dont listen to . IF works for plenty of people. Just try it out for a few weeks and see how you do, and if you lose weight

Do LSD it helps with hunger suppression and you get meth-like energy plus some cool visual hallucinations man

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Based cole poster

sneed

i get the opposite, i cant escape my sleep most of the time

So how do I stop watching food videos when I'm fasting?

Had to switch to OMAD this week. Down to 143lbs from 188 but fuck I've been feeling like shit

The ingredients in snake juice also get metabolized by your liver

So by your logic, no one can drink snake juice and fast properly either

Should I be drinking snake juice on the first day of the fast?

>excuse
>excuse
>excuse
>excuse
>oh i can just not eat and lose weight? sweet!

Your a weak, lazy, fat fuck who didnt even try to lose weight before you went head first into fasting. You will continue to fail

im down the home stretch boys. honestly if i feel this good on monday night, i may extend it a few days

i dont start until the 60 or 70 hour mark... but see how you feel, listen to your body. it's amazin how much better a little salt and water can make you feel

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Faggot
If the standard advice worked, there wouldn't be an obesity epidemic. Blaming the individual following the flawed advice is blaming the victim. Faggots like you did it when cars were new; they said: "Oh, we don't need airbags or crumple zones, accidents are just caused by bad drivers. If they didn't drive so badly, we wouldn't have this problem". Compare to, "If people just did CICO better, they wouldn't be so fat." Now neck yourself for fighting against fasting, which is a way that actually works to lose weight.

Keto carb limit and keep your eating window small

>it's not my fault its the advice's fault
COPE

So lads, could I pull off a month long water fast with just drinking water? The whole snake juice thing seems like a chore, so what would you say is vital from that list of things mentioned by the OP (if anything at all)?

You'll want snake juice for a month long fast; if constantly mixing snake juice seems like a chore then make a bunch of pre-mixed packets you can just add to water.

>want
Yes, but will I need it? Seen some people that claimed to have done even longer fasts with just water.

What sort of danger would I expose myself to?

If you want to make it to a month? Yes. If you go without it you're going to feel like absolute shit, even if you do everything else right. You might even have to break the fast--not the end of the world, but not ideal if you want to make a month--just to keep your electrolytes up. Without salt and potassium you'll feel faint (you might even pass out), generally weak, and probably more than a little sickly. Problems with thinking, if you need a clear head for work, clearly also come up if you aren't keeping up on your salt.

>chore
Holy fuck you're lazy, no wonder youre a fat fuck

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>reading comprehension
Try reading the post I was responding to, fren.

Not that fat, just lazy and jewy. In for a penny, in for a pound.

>could I pull off a month long water fast with just drinking water?
No. The lack of electrolytes will gradually go from headaches and muscle cramps to full-blown hypokalemia / hyponatremia.

Hope you have medical cover for "Being an Idiot".

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I broke my 3 day fast with a simple healthy breakfast this morning... but now
>EXPLOSION

I'VE HAD DIARRHEA 4 TIMES SINCE I ATE

I CAN'T BELIEVE I TRUSTED YOU ALL AND SNAKE MAN

NOW IM GOING TO BE LATE TO WORK BECAUSE I CANT QUIT PISSING FROM MY ASSHOLE

FUCK FASTING

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133 HOURS COME ON!!

Daily reminder that black coffee will not disrupt your fasts. Caffeine and some of the other substances in coffee will actually increase your metabolic rate and help you enter ketosis faster.

just hit my goal 72hrs on my first fast, any reason i couldn't just keep going? i'm taking the snake juice electrolytes and feel pretty normal

Are you overweight or what.
Probably don't push it past a week.

On day 3 of my fast, I dropped caffeine.
Currently have lost most drive and interest in doing anything at all.

How much faster do you get back to baseline while fasting?