Alright, so life's significantly changed for me since I started lifting. People treat me nicer...

Something similar happened to me and I found out she had a boyfriend

You should have blinded her with industrial solvent and then stabbed her to death.

>Did I do the best possible thing I could in that scenario?
probably, she didn't reject because of anythign you did. She rejected you for some personal reason on her end.

She 100% had a boyfriend, tried to cheat on him, but couldn't pull the trigger. Don't blame yourself, blame degenerate women.

Who the fuck knows, you can’t really control what goes on in her head nor even fully know what’s going on. Probably either or she has a bf, and backed out of cheating on him last second, or could be any other reason. Also , just sucking on her tits seems a bit autistic

OP here. So I definitely was rubbing my hands across her thighs and pelvis while we were making out, but I really don't like penetrating a girl with anything until I'm 100% sure she's ready. Blame it on my fear of having sexual assault charges put on me and completely fucking up my life.

>but I really don't like penetrating a girl with anything until I'm 100% sure she's ready
For real you did the right thing, don't over think it. If she said no once, then gave into her OWN desires, that's exactly what could happen. You did good, and not for "wymen" but for protecting yourself.

For sure this. I can respect her, though.. Its admirable she realized how badly she was fucking up

You did the right thing but you need to develop a way of checking to be sure that she isn't just being a tease. SOMETIMES when girls say, "I can't do this," it really means, "try something else to convince me."

My go to:
>"No, I'm sorry, I can't do this!"
>"That's fine, but do you mind kissing me some more? Your face / your eyes / your lips / are so ____."
compliment either gets her wet which means she is game, or makes her draw a harder line which means stop and go home (call her back, she still wants it)
If she starts making out with you give it way more time than you think. Like, wait until you are fucking bored of just kissing and then wait that amount of time one more time. Then:
>without stopping the kisses take her hand and drag it slowly from your chest down to your pants
>if she stops call it a night
>if not hook the fingers of both her hands in your belt line and keep kissing her
>slowly slide the fingers of one of your hands up her thigh pause as if you are going to dip towards her clit, and then go up to her belly instead
I've only been in your shoes four times, but 3/4 said fuck it at this point and decided they wanted to have sex after all. One more trick OP.
>do not stay over
>text her back same night, any weird gushy stuff about how great meeting her, not the sex, but meeting her, was
>she will most likely respond positively to the attention since you are making her feel like less of a whore
>go on for about 30 min. A cop friend of mine advised me that a wall of text like that, with no negative indicators, can muddy the waters enough to save you from a rape charge

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You did the right thing user

Sounds like you did alright. She either felt it was moving too fast or she has a boyfriend. She's got her own issues by the sound of it so unless you want to get wrapped up in them, because you would, just let it be and move on. She either has baggage, a boyfriend or both and neither of those are fun.

>do not stay over
i never thought about that until now, but that's genius user. keep them wanting more.

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you did fine user, don't get yourself thrown in prison. It was the girl, not you. Just move on

Sounds like you guys didn't feel attracted to eachother

you did the right thing user. Unless theres something else you hadnt mentioned you did it all good. Its her who had the problem

the alpha thing to do would be to take the lead and fuck her
the smart thing to do was what you did
better safe than sorry

Fpbp user. Good restraint

This. Don't beat yourself up over one miss.

Better beating your meat after than getting your checks beat in a prison cell for false rape charges.

Maybe there was a way to convince her to fuck, but consider risk vs reward: possible rape charges or a nut? I think both outcomes (fucking and playing it safe) have their merits. You did fine user.

Goat. If only he was Jow Forums

Trips of truth

7/10 this is the case

If you were him, would it have made any difference?

>she drinks with you
>takes you back to her place
>make out
>suck on tittes

Dumb bitch should have let you smash, she was already cheating

Got any pics of the chick?

I still have her Tinder profile matched, yeah. But like I said earlier, I have really bad anxiety when it comes to hookup culture. The last thing I want is for someone here to recognize her (or the photo, even if I blurred the face) and I'm suddenly seeing charges pressed because she ashamed/pissed off.

Rest assured, she was 23 years, had a thin runner's body, and a pretty face. I probably wouldn't have gotten far if I also wasn't Jow Forums.

this desu. its not like she did not cheat already. but then again i heard women think it was not cheating because they were not fucking the guy back, as in moving their hips or shit. so who knows

yep this is the right answer. don't sweat it and move on. she'll probably hit you up in a few months when she's lonely and horny.

lifting cant cure autism

huh? what a bunch of fucking incels
The first time I was with my now gf of 2+ years in her apartment she did the same thing and that's considering she got so wet she left a huge wet spot on the bed through her panties. We just had sex the next time we saw each other after we talked about some stuff(she had a personal reason). 80% of time when they say "we aren't/can't have sex tonight" it's about trust. The other 20% is some personal reason.
Later she told me that because I responded to it with "don't worry about it" and "if you're not ready that's fine" or something along those lines it made it incredibly hard to resist just jumping me right then and there.

I'm also going to say nothing. I'm going with girl has a bf and they're off and on often, or she isn't actually single "on a break". You were good looking enough and smooth enough to get that far.

This has been my experience a few times. Keep up the good work user

if u get that close to sex on a first date but it doesn't happen you most likely won't see her again, any future meet up will become too much pressure for the girl

FPBP
This user fucks

>"that's okay"
>"i've got to finish myself though or i'll get blue balls"
>stand up
>jerk off and blow in her hair
>get dressed and leave

Nice.

>she

as a 26 year old handholdless incel,

I'm jealous OP,

be happy bro
I want to suck a cute asian girl's tits too

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Are you fr when you say you’ve never held a hand? What’s the reason?

Don’t worry about it m8, I don’t think you did anything wrong.

Post censored pic or gtfo

Not the guy to whom you're replying but I am a wizard.
I did get hugged once but it wasn't mutual because they came up from behind.
I would say it's all kind of a package deal. If you got the holding hands sorted then you probably got kissing sorted and it's not unlikely that you got fucking sorted.
Especially today where it's reasonable to imagine that lots of people are walking around that have fucked but not held hands.

no female friends in childhood
never around girls

don't have irl male friends either so never meet girls through friends

I'm just really ugly bro
5'4" ugly manlet, girls dont even look at me

u tried going for girls your level then?

At a certain level it stops being worth it to go for people in your own level because your hand is better than putting up with them.
Remember when you're going for very unattractive girls you're also likely to get mental illness, stupidity and poor decision making.
So if they're not nice to look at, not nice to be around, not nice to talk to... What is the point?
It's also tricky to find ugly girls because you won't see most of them walking around and you won't see them on dating sites because they don't want to put up pics.
When you get ugly girls on a dating site they're usually the worst ones because they're lacking self-awareness, or something.

>lurk Jow Forums once or twice a year
>start reading this thread
I'm shocked at how friendly and supportive this place is.

>It's also tricky to find ugly girls because you won't see most of them walking around and you won't see them on dating sites because they don't want to put up pics.

Tell that to my Tinder.

>When you get ugly girls on a dating site they're usually the worst ones because they're lacking self-awareness, or something.

That's a cop out. Guys are just as delusional about their true value on those websites.

go back to Jow Forums you fucking retard

Suck my cock nigger

I've never used tinder so my experience there is limited.

>That's a cop out. Guys are just as delusional...
If you're not a girl you think like a girl. This has nothing to do with my point.
My experience of dating sites is that there is a huge drop off in users at below average in looks and when you do see those below average girls they are very obviously mentally ill. I don't just mean "high opinion of themselves for an ugly chick" I mean "this person belongs in an institution."

>That's a cop out. Guys are just as delusional about their true value on those websites.
congrats, post face, because if you're not supermodel tier with a great body you don't get women there. There's a ton of stats to prove this because it's what women are programmed for, hypergamy.

These are dubs of fucking game right here, primo advice

Actually good advice on my chinese muppet drawing board? That's a first

>autistic dork stuck in a Jow Forums body.
You went with an asian girl, so yeah. You are still an autistic beta.

there was a chad giving advice in a deleted thread a week ago. I hope he comes back, guy was good with women and approaches.

You were supposed to ask her why not so she could explain her bullshit reason to you, thus alleviating herself of guilt in her mind because she told you about it, making it a mutual decision which you validated by not giving a shit and so in her mind you are equally to blame as she is and thus she no longer feels any blame because she'll just pin it all on you now if anybody gives her shit about it.

>But I had an incident last night that makes me wonder whether I'm still just an autistic dork stuck in a Jow Forums body.
Nah, that's just normal.
Contrary to what Jow Forums tells you, girls will not simply jump on your cock, just because you're good looking, and no, you can't just simply be an asshole and force her and she'll actually like it.
Taking the lead and strongly convincing her? Fine.
But if she does not want to, she doesn't want to.
You did everything correctly, user.
Sometimes it just doesn't work. Happens to the best of us.

I've been in this situation a few times

She says "I can't do this". You say "okay no biggie". Immediately stop making out with her/touching her etc. Within a few minutes she'll be on top of you and wanting to have sex.

Most guys push the issue. If you act like you couldn't care less whether or not you have sex with her, she'll want you more

This. I think every time a girl has told me "we're not having sex tonight" she's ended up initiating sex with me that night. Just use it as an opportunity to prove you're not a thirsty, pushy cunt and she'll probably jump you.

Help me out here

>been cuddling with female friend on and off for the last year, no sex
>couple months back she says she is too stressed to hang out
>time passes with little to no contact between us
>asks if we can talk at the start of the summer
>says she was kind of catching feelings, but would rather be friends
>still wants to cuddle, says she feels very safe w me
>fast forward 2 weeks, we're cuddlig again and she pushes her ass against my crotch
>don't act on it because of what she told me
>fall asleep

Whaddya think, boys. Is she looking for some friends with benefits deal?

lol fucking beta loser