Do all the world's militaries emphasize calisthenics because it's important...

Do all the world's militaries emphasize calisthenics because it's important, or because they don't have the resources to put all their men in gyms?

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calisthenics translates well to weightlifting movements. the opposite isn't true.

In my experience, calisthenics are a good way to build a decent base to work off of, without retarded ego injuries because I watched Predator and wanted to be a god-damned Sexual Tyrannosaurus

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This is true, I personally did a ton of calisthenics for like 2 years before lifting and it gave me a huge starting advantage

What do you think is more important for a military, getting your soldiers to all deadlift at least 4pl8 for reps or getting them to move their bodies efficiently through terrain for periods of time with realistic weights that they may carry?

This.

Switched from only lifting weights to calisthenics daily + lifting 5x5 once a week, it's pretty rough the two days after lifting but I feel much stronger.

do you realize how expensive it would be to provide equipment and training to a bunch of retard recruits? you could spend literal years teaching them proper weightlifting form and they would still fuck it up. not to mention all the damage they would do to the equipment and themselves.
it's actually easier to have them do jumping jacks, push ups, pull ups, and running than it would be to try and teach them all how to lift weights properly. weight lifting in the military is only for those who are truly dedicated. the majority of them don't give a fuck enough to learn

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Well, that's the thing, lifting weights does not automatically imply shooting for huge 1RMs and being all powerlifter about it. For example, what about German Volume Training?

Yes, I understand that practical reality. However, in a hypothetical where you had perfectly disciplined soldiers and unlimited resources, is there a reason to still have them do calisthenics over high rep lifting? Why would calisthenics be better than German Volume Training, for example?

Bigger guys need more rations so hypertrophy is also not ideal.

Bigger guys are also bigger targets. Less able to utilise cover in a fire fight. You need to ditch the idea of a supersoldier looking like a Hollywood star/bodybuilder. Life is not a movie

Imagine having your SpecOps unit roided up to 240lbs

>AlphaFoxtrot in position
>Tree on which stand occupied is visibly bent under his weight.
>BravoSierra changing position
>Imagine running when you are 240lbs and have 50lbs loadout, imagine getting through tight spots

Also, imagine thinking that you need to be fit in order to call a drone strike.

moging the starving afros

They really only make them work out because it's stressful, thus it makes them more submissive and worse at critical thinking.

Don't special operations, where they have exactly that, still do lots of calisthenics?

I think it's because moving your body a bunch of times is important in a gun fight. GVT might help with muscle endurance and hypertrophy but it's not as specific, so calisthenics should get higher priority

In a military setting, you want your men to be as light and strong as possible. In addition to all the financial and logistical reasons the governing body might want their troops this way, the guys on the ground have their own reasons for this too. You very frequently will have to carry you buddy and all his shit, or have yourself carried with all your shit. Nobody wants to lift the heavy ass dude, and nobody wants to be too heavy to lift out of harms way. Plus, the bigger dudes have a harder time in hot climates. For whatever reason, all the big diesel dudes I worked with would have serious problems with hyponatremia or other similar problems. Guys were tough as nails, but grit will only take you so far.

But yeah, they go for calisthenics because overall athleticism is more important than pure strength. I remember my old CO used to say "Big muscles are nice, but you can't bench press your way out of a firefight"

because they dont want big biceped unbalanced gym goers who cant run 3 miles to defend the homeland

>German Volume Training
I don't understand why this is such a big meme among lifters. German volume training relies very very heavily on the kind of recovery that only comes from roids. A better example of a high rep program that develops strength and size and is possible for natties is the 20 rep squat program

Should clarify, more important than pure strength and SIZE. Obviously you want to be as strong as possible, but it's better to find a balance between a lithe athletic stature and strength than it is to hulk out and go powerlifter mode.

Calisthenics is all about the manipulation of one's own body in three dimensional space.
This is directly applicable to combat.

Just last week some special forces guys dropped by to help my unit train a bit when we were doing a MOUT thing. They were all that sort of lean, low bodyfat kind of fit that you could miss on first glance, might even think they're kind of lanky. But then you look closer and see their arms and legs are just pure muscle. Really cool guys desu, they weren't assigned to help us train or anything but did it on their own time.

it sucks that you can be a robust genetic freak with wide shoulders, wide wrists, wide everything and some manlet incel with a receded chin can still kill you with a revolver.

It's portable and basically free. Warehousing weights is like supplying medicines.

The second one. Also, military training is more about endurance than strength - the ability to finish a fight is more valuable than trying to end it quickly. If you can outlast an enemy, you’re good.

>U.S. Marine

Calisthenics is more important because you want decent strength to carry your gear but over long distances. Preferably in the least amount of time. We have a lot of big bulky body uilder types but unless they roid they are *probably* not grunts. Look at a soldier/Marine post deployment. Thin as fuck

War is an endurance sport.

It's literally useless having big muscles for any real world scenario. It's counterproductive if anything.

shut the fuck up, boot. :^)

see, this is the thing I was hoping to get to - people who have actual contact with "special forces" types who the military is actually willing to dedicate substantial personal resources towards. Whether or not they prioritize calisthenics really tells me something. Please go on about your experiences.

So the US army recently changed their yearly, mandatory PT test from being exclusively calisthenics to one that includes free weights. Now, each military district has a whole company of men completely devoted to moving around field gyms to each division in their district. 365 days a year, their whole job is to move and set up weights for each division of 5,000 men and test them. The army has had to buy hundreds of tons of weights that all have to be manually moved and accounted for just because they changed the requirements from something like x pushups to x deadlifts. It's a huge waste of time and effort from what I've heard

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they want them lean. massbuilding takes a lot of food, a swole soldier needs more rations, that is why it won't get adopted anyway. they literally didn't even consider weightlifing as optimal because calisthenics is so much more suited to their goals. they want people that can endure a lot of shit and run a lot, so they make people run a lot and do calisthenics all day.
calisthenics are important but weightlifting is better. calisthenics are best for getting abs and having visible abs means you're close to peak physical condition so they are kind of important.

benning.army.mil/tenant/75thRanger/Content/PDF/12 Week Ranger Assessment and Selection Program Training Plan2.pdf

Here's the recommended training plan before ranger RASP. They assume you have access to a gym and it's still mostly calisthenics.

I think if you're worried about a domestic disturbance weights are a good supplement, but calisthenics should get first priority