What is your opinion on people who have no empathy for others and merely pretend to care?

What is your opinion on people who have no empathy for others and merely pretend to care?
>if they are not acting malicious does it even matter

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Fakeness bothers me and it's kinda pathetic. I unironically prefer sociopaths who admit openly that they are unfeeling robots. May suck in a few moments but they are more respectable

sometimes i wonder if im one of those people. I can never tell because my intentions are always sincere but not necessarily genuine because i do act for my own sake frequently. Ive cared too much for too long about other people, i learned to care only about myself.

Not sure if its new or if ive actually always been like this. Its hard to know.

What about if someone was to openly admit they merely pretend to care making it clear they do not care but then continue to act nice to people.
Pretending to be nice is nicer than being cold self who openly tells you he does not care etc etc

you would know if you are one of them user as you really dont care for anyone, it is rare but possible for a sociopath to have friends

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that would be me to some extent. I always mean well, but i realize that other people dont necessarily care about me but i still show that i care about what they feel and think.

user what do you think of people like me? Be honest.

i have few friends, many acquaintances and an equal part of people that love me and dislike me. But even the people that dont like me i still treat them well. but most people are too "nice' to treat anyone poorly openly in any case. Truth is you cant ever tell whos being fake, from a normie perspective. I see through people, but i know that they can see through me too....

>literally dont even know what im saying

how long did it take you to only care about yourself? I am still only caring about others and never give myself any care 31 at the moment.

I'd pretty much think these individuals are troubling themselves more with this shit than me.
Of course it's neat to have nice people around you but if you know that person is just pretending it both depending on the situation feels insulting or you feel deep pity for these people because clearly they are suffering from bpd or something
Why exactly would you pretend to care? thread is about you I assume

Obviously you do care about people thinking you care otherwise you wouldn't spend the energy to care.
Had a school friend who kinda acted like this and every time he acted visibly ungenuine it would make me kinda annoyed but you'd only make me angry if you somehow come over like a half baked manipulater

i dont know when it happened, and i cant remember exactly. Im 28 now, but for the past 3 years ive become less inclined to feel real sympathy for people. I EXPRESS sympathy, but i dont really care as much as i could. I know that they are just the same as me and they caused their own misfortunes as i have. And despite giving them my sympathies, I know that my priorities lie with myself more than anyone. Im genuinely a good person, and almost in spite of myself i try to care more about others than myself...im a bit stoic. I know im worth literal shit, and so is everyone else so why would shit be any better than anyone if they too are worth shit?

...im having a hard time conveying my sentiment, but what i mean to say is we're all worthless and it would be self righteous to think that you mean MORE than anyone else, so i treat everyone the same but i still prioritize myself...

im just a liar, not a manipulator. I lie for fun, but the manipulation aspect isnt so apparent. I dont care THAT much..i dont think.

What is the fun aspect of lying user? Do you want to spice up smalltalk or do you lie out of insecurity, if not just tell what the "fun" part is

>Why exactly would you pretend to care?
Because blending in makes life easier.

At least they're trying. Most people don't even care. And if they pretend long enough, they'll develop empathy.

Well that's pretty rational. Do you also lie in situations where it "isn't needed"?
Do you lie to fit in or be liked by strangers for example.

being in control of what others think of me. so call it insecurity maybe yes.

they probably think you are an idiot for lying all the time :p

ooooh maybe thats your plan you want everyone to think about you as an annoying pathological lier

i also lie to myself like most people do. fake it til you make it right?!

i openly admit that im a liar. i was never liked growing up, and i realized that people lied to me all the time. I just learned OTHER peoples habit. dont judge me.

amen brother amen :p

i don't judge you, i'm a pathological liar, i lie all the time about the most petty shite, can't even control it and i hate me for it. however i was liked for it.

and the rush of getting through with a lie is freakin gold, people looking at you in total believe

but i tend to like to burst the bubble right away, the dissapointment of a bubble blasting right at their face, its totally funny...

holy shit i might be some sort of miniature psychopath

>What is your opinion on people who have no empathy for others and merely pretend to care?
none, as long as they perform their job, or w/e function they have to society properly and to the best of their ability.

>Why exactly would you pretend to care?
1.to hope I can learn to care for real one day, fake it until I make it
2.because I have been told it is the right thing to do by a friend and I want to behave in the right way for them
3.the alternative is purposely trying to hurt people for fun
4.blending in is just easier and you do not look edgy, you can never vent about your lack of feeling for others to people as you get seen as a edgy kid
>im just a liar, not a manipulator.
as someone who is a manipulator, why do you lie?
I never lie unless I am manipulating someone.
My life is exciting enough or used to be I guess.
THIS
>if they pretend long enough, they'll develop empathy.
How long do we have to pretend?
>being in control of what others think of me.
This is a brainlet way IMO.
You can control what others think of you in ways other than directly telling them what to think of you.
I do not get liars, weak.
If you are not lying to manipulate people for some goal why do it?

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i dont think we're psychopaths. theres a lot of reasons for lying and they differ from person to person. Like i said EVERYONE lies.

to your last point, for fun my mate.

to the rest, stop being an edgy kid :p

besides of the" how long to pretend", either it already happened (minor atleast) or you probably are cursed for life :p

you dont get me, im a brainlet. i understand.
Im just a mentally unstable individual. I dont know half the why and how about what i do. I pretend that i do, but thats just a lie i tell myself.

I lie for other peoples comfort. some people realize and others dont, but you can never really change what people inherently know. they believe their own lies too, even if it seems to be the truth.

no i meant i like to lie, and then burst the bubble

like getting people excited (IS THAT REALLY LIKE THAT?), nah mate i'm fucking with you, go eat shit... and then their face falls flat, its amusing af (that part is why i think im a miniature psychopath, i loved doing that shit ever since i was a small kid :p

lol fuck. so essentially you're just a sarcastic deadpan faggot? I can get on board with that. I prefer to let people figure out the lie for themselves. thats equally rewarding.

So you're both primarily focused on being perceived as good.
I don't really approve of what you do but you do you. I'd just like to tell you that you should be aware how this can be more damaging than being isolated and honest for at least half the time. Not that you are one day at places that you never wanted to go to because of others. Also when the bubble bursts you'll be the one who ultimately wasted their times.
All I can personally say too is don't be a tool. You'll eventually learn to bee urself

i meant in my case btw with the psychopath shit (which was mostly a joke, i just like to fuck with people, no harm done, i'm not a psychopath) the first line was for you the rest was to fuck around

samefag.. its rewarding much in the sense as some kind of retroactive stimulus to having been lied to so much. i only recognized all the lies AFTER they were told to me. talk about a cope

sarcastic deadpan faggot, sums me quite up

ye if you just admit it right away you tend to be a sarcastic deadpan faggot, if you let em figure it out themselves they might have some hard feelings against you... with that being said, i do the same lately cause i assume they would be smart enough... but they ain't, people sometimes give me shit for it :p

the thing though is I AM good, but ive learned that being bad is the good thing to do. so to speak. I once was an overly honest person, and i saw that it always got me in trouble in so many different ways. im still honest to an extent, but im not gonna sell myself out to people that dont give a fuck about me. I dont ever want to be myself, because myself was built on lies. By lying i feel like im trying to discover what kind of person i really am.

all good

i always had people with hard feelings towards me. I got too comfortable with it, now i seek it. and like i said here im just doing what comes natural. its what ive grown to know.

>Rationally try to not help or take care of anyone
>Feelings of guilt and pity hijack me from time to time to help other people
I think I have found myself in quite the spooky situation fellow robots.

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both are me, sorry i'm a bit talkative overhere lmao

with hard feelings i mean, they are pissed off, and if you seek that, that sucks, people are fun to be around.

(also ) is me lmao, yee quite talkative,

but with that also said, it is fair, i do nowadays too afterall lmao

No I meant you primarily want to be perceived as good as in positive. Whatever is the "good" thing in a setting.
The rest of your post sounds convoluted af so I guess you probably got some issues and also lie to yourself.
If you want to figure yourself out by lying and then analysing how it reflected with the real you, I can kind of get that but it seems unnecessary to me

i honestly have no response. I do have a lot of issues. Im autistic as fuck, so doing anything is a chore. I dont know how to function like a normal human being. Lying just seems like a good option to explore. Ill probably stop sooner than later.

dude damn you are pulling some mad wisdom out of your ass right there.

the cheap and easy psychology degree is paying off rn, jk :p

If you want to explore yourself because of unsureness or curiosity of several paths in life I have a concept for you I push for myself. Build yourself a roster of several personalities with clearcut principles, each one reflects something about you you'd like to explore. Stick with the one that makes you most comfortable.

i wouldnt call that good advice
>my face when my lying persona IS an alternate persona from my typical self
>my face when i get confused between the self i used to be and the way i am now
>my face when bi-polar gets my personalities mixed up

>my face when i feel more comfortable bouncing between the two personalities at random

FUCK MY LIFE. I dont think i could handle more than two identities.

I just like giving input to a) train my head or b) to work on some of my own issues
I kinda try to help too occasionally but I know you guys actually don't want help so these threads are psycho chess anyway. But actually helping someone in these threads occasionally feels nice tho

Never. Overall, I rarely lie because it carries a big risk. The only time I'll lie is if something comes up where my answer is the difference between life and death. For example, if somebody asks about my porn habbits I'm not going to tell them I like loli. Of course, these situations never come up because the only people I talk to are coworkers.

if you cant even handle the one you have?

They're a plague

i should just kill myself right? Im so fucked up user you dont even know.

don't generalize me with "them"

but yee i'm kinda on a pass rn, i know whats fucking me up, i really do need and want help, but i'm worried that doing so (seeking help from actual doctors) will limit me severly in my life, and the only thing i have in my life is hope, which might be vanished through said help (say i get diagnosed as some nutjob am i still able to do certain jobs/travel and what not?)

speaking to the choir... don't kill yourself tho, cause life has its nice times, even if you struggle to remember those moments

i can also not handle the one identidy i have my mate, i reflected from you to me... with that being said i have no idea how fucked up you are, or why you think that. if you want, feel free to try to enlighten me.

*preaching to the choir, mea culpa mon ami

being totally honest, i mostly just fake it because that's what is expected of me. i really don't fucking care about anyone at all

Essentially you create two persons because you always have two extremes inside of you. If you have legit problems already you shouldn't do it. For me honestly it has helped, but my second guy is just a adviser, he doesn't take control. It's a nice way to find the middle ground between two extreme viewpoints.

Empathy is like a spectrum. One way or another everybody is selfish to some degree

naw man ill spare you the details of my fucked up shit. But essentially im simply not mentally stable. Ive got mommy and daddy issues, and my whole life was like some kind of fantasy where i never learned how to deal with reality.
does not make for a good adult.

for me there is no middle ground. Im either on or off, but sometimes im flippin the switch so fast i cant keep up with myself.

does not make for a good adult is every adult ever, however i'm pretty sure you are not alone with your complete utter insanity, we are all unstable people one way or another, but i ain't gonna push that shit on you, i'mma go drink myself to sleep now :)

damn right user. drink up. nice chat.

Bump for discussion megugano

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I want to respond to this thread but you lot just talk to hear yourselves you don't actually care about sorting your shit. You'll get what u deserve tho because you've already fucked up so no point trying now.

I want to sort me out man serious

can someone explain "empathy" to a person who has assburgers and doesn't really enjoy talking to people?

I can identify with what you're saying. I'm 29. I used to care about other people a lot but it in the end it seemed to be a net negative, like actually harmful. I also have difficulty grappling with the self righteousness thing and think that most people actually want you to be self righteous in order to be like them. It doesn't matter really because I don't have a social circle anymore anyway.

Then you'd be doing that not replying to me pussy

>3.the alternative is purposely trying to hurt people for fun
how in the fuck do you reach that conclusion? here's alternative 3B: honest to god dont give a fuck