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Well, that's bullshit. You can definitely find good progress with only two sessions per week. I'd aim for three or more if possible though.

The reason they say that is because especially for beginners, mat time is everything. It takes a long time to feel like you're not completely trash, and mat time gets you through that period faster.

If you only have time for two sessions per week, go for it. Especially if you also lift/run or do some other type of activity at the same time.

I plan on lifting 3x a week and have to cycle about 4 hours a week for work. I was thinking of doing bjj 4x a week but I don't know if that will be possible

It's better than one and worse than three. If you can do it only two days per week, go for it. Don't look for some """optimal training""".

Sounds like nonsense. Once a week is basically pointless. Twice a week is minimum and 3 times a week is where you should be aiming for to make real progress.

I was supposed to go to a trial lesson for grappling today with two buddies but both canceled on me. Kinda nervous about going alone desu

> you will never feel a fiery rage this intense in your life
Feels passive man.

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Be the lone warrior; go now my friend.

You'll chip eachother's teeth and if you're both beginners you're probably also both shit at controlling your power.

I will, thanks. Should I just bring every possibly useful thing I can (cup, mouthguard, board shorts, spats, etc)? Or just come with the bare minimals?

what is the best wrestling variant? greco roman, catch, any other? i really wanna do wrestling

Honestly, whichever one you can find a decent club for as an adult. Apart from some specific parts of the world good wrestling training is pretty scarce.

Freestyle and greco roman, catch is rubbish

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How do wrestlers get so lean and big st the same time? Do they spend a lot of time lifting weights or is it mainly just the exhausting training sessions with trying to move around a guy who is the same weight as you.. I wanna get into wrestling and wondering about that.

PRO wrestling

Mouth guard and appropriate clothing. Cup may or may not be commonly used at the place you're going, but - having visited a number of BJJ gyms on several continents - it seems cups are only somewhat common in MMA oriented places. You're free to bring one obviously.

>How do wrestlers get so lean and big st the same time?
You just look at photos of elite heavyweight wrestlers at peak of their performance. There is shit tons of skinny and skinnyfats in wrestling.

Cool, thanks. What would you say is appropriate clothing? The full Venum spats/rashguard from my MT days or just with boardshorts and a tanktop?

You're overthinking it user. I've been grappling for years and while I generally show up with a rash guard I occasionally wear a shirt that says LOVE AND GREENPEACE in bright yellow and pink letters because why the fuck not. Also, it triggers my Greenpeace hating friend, so that's a plus.

I know I'm overthinking everything, but I just don't want to be 'that guy' in my first practice.

Strength training and enormous amounts of cardio. In the off season you eat and lift along with training, then during the season you eat less and lift enough to maintain while undergoing some of the most intense training in any sport. Typical practices include tons of bodyweight exercises and during drilling/sparring you are effectively using all your muscles against a guy who is using all of his.

If you're that worried, show up with four different outfits and pick the most appropriate one in line with the other attendees.

Hint: everyone shows up for the first time wearing whatever they have, and only dickweeds will judge you for that unless you act like 'that guy'.

Got it, thanks familia. Any tips on how not to act like 'that guy'? No idea what not to do besides not being a dickhead and basic public norms

my younger brother triangled a bully, got bigheaded and just started picking fights and rear naked choked another dude that called him out.
wish i had that confidence in HS

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Sounds good enough. Assume you know nothing and listen to the information you're given, but don't be afraid to ask for clarification. Don't spaz while rolling, tap when unsure. Have fun.

I'd rather spar with bear knuckles than without a mouth guard. Just please go to a gym.

here's a good video about that subject.
youtu.be/fMCfzfXm9vQ

>bear knuckles

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user, heres my 2 shekels. I picked up bjj in may as well as lifting (many yrs), it's very good sport to join that complements the gym nicely. The best benefits so far are the mobility, cardio, grip strength, confidence, cuties and it's a pretty relax community of people, everyone is chill and helps each other out even outside of the gym. Once you start submitting people you'll really get excited about it because then you can start developing your own style/applying creativity to the game. Although I prefer no-gi submission grappling, which we do as well, I say some kind of grappling is best compliment to lifting and applying your strength. It teaches you self defense also but I look at it as combat sport then fighting, last resort would you want to street fight, especially if you gotta go to the ground, fuck that shit. Striking arts are nice too but brain damage is a real problem, would avoid sparring just bag/mitt work for those.

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PS. I usually train 2 days a week with one day open mat (grappling). 2-3 days is fine but its the # of hours you get in per week, usually theres grappling after class for about an hour so it's about 6 hours per week for me and i've been making nice progress, I can already lock up some of the higher belts, usually blues.

I saw the boxing instructor being mean to his kid while at class and now I feel uncomfortable going to the gym

Folkstyle and maybe greco roman. Freestyle is gay

>I'll start off. Why do people say that doing BJJ just twice a week is not worth it? Is there such a learning curve or something?
Zoomers have this weird attitude of training like a pro or not training at all. They then get tapped by 45 year old guys who train once or twice a week.

Sparring in boxing is never safe.

Hence, good boxers don't do it often. Thais don't spar at all (except clinch wrestling).

Untrue. Thais spar light, but they also fight every couple weeks.

>my younger brother triangled a bully
Doubt.

Stacking is a thing, you know?

>Untrue.
Nope.

>Thais spar light
They are lightly slapfighting. That's not sparring.

>but they also fight every couple weeks.
Fighting every "couple of weeks" is not a replacement for regular sparring according to most "internet experts". So that doesn't count either.

Any other smart remarks, dumbass? Maybe go to a Thai gym first, preferably one that isn't specialised in making foreigners sweat and nothing else.

>Thais don't spar at all
the fuck are you on about? sparring is vital for training, where the fuck do you think they learn their shit? wii sports?

>the fuck are you on about? sparring is vital for training, where the fuck do you think they learn their shit? wii sports?
Thai pad training mostly.

Again, talking about gyms for Thais. Foreigners get treated differently (=worse).

I have, and it's still sparring. Light technical sparring is just that. Either we just happened to go to gyms with different training philosophies or you're just being a pedant about what counts as sparring. Everyone at my gym who has trained in Thailand also says the same thing: Thais spar very lightly and make up for it with regularity of fights.
Also your point about good boxers not sparring often is kind of misleading because they only got to the point where they are good boxers by sparring.
Don't get me wrong, your training should be mainly drilling but saying that good fighters don't spar seems extremely misinformed. Like you can literally type "sparring in thailand" into Youtube and see hundreds of videos of top fighters sparring. How many fights have you had and how long have you been training?

>is it worth learning
I'm 6'4 200 lbs ottermode so I always thought it was until I met this one kid
>at my boarding school
>some good kids, some really bad kids
>one year rooming with 5'4 130 lb Serbian roomate
>kid used to be in gangs in Serbia and got sent there
>one night he's on the phone late at night arguing with his girlfriend
>tell him to shut the fuck up, its 3am
>he says shut the fuck up or I'll beat your ass
>laugh and dare him to try
>he just leaves the room
>after they break up I get to be better friends with him
>he's been through a lot including the rape and death of his younger sister who was 13 by an uncle
>sinc that he had developed a heroin problem but says he getting over it
>Dont believe him, but he is only doing it on the weekends
>one night, we're out at a bar(drinking age is 16 and we're 18)
>some 6'4 big guy, at least 240 starts arguing with Serb friend about something as we're leaving the bar
>they look like they're about to throw down and I'm scared serbbro is gonna get his ass kicked badly like hospital bad
>I've boxed before for 3 years so I figure I'm probably not worthless if it really goes bad
>serbfriend says it's okay, he's got this
>him and big guy square up
>he's never talked about fighting anyone since that first night with me, but I did notice some of the other bullies at the school just dont fuck with him for some reason
>big guy swings first
>Serb friend moves under it faster than I've ever seen anyone move
>immediately as hes on the guys right side he lands 3 straight rights right over the guys ear
>big guy falls over and Serb friend and I get out of there

Yeah, training helps but if you find the wrong guy, it doesn't mean shit even if you are bigger. So learn it, but recognize that all it takes is for that other guy to be stupid fast or better trained than you

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>I have, and it's still sparring.
No, you went to a gym for farang.

>Light technical sparring is just that. Either we just happened to go to gyms with different training philosophies or you're just being a pedant about what counts as sparring.
I'm pedantic, because this is the point of the discussion. Light and technical sparring does exist, but it's not used nearly enough (basically not at all). Thais go even lighter than technical, something most people wouldn't call sparring anymore but "playing around".

>Everyone at my gym who has trained in Thailand also says the same thing: Thais spar very lightly and make up for it with regularity of fights.
You can't "make up" for "regular sparring" with fighting 3 rounds every three weeks (or even less in most pro cases).

>Also your point about good boxers not sparring often is kind of misleading because they only got to the point where they are good boxers by sparring.
No. If you think sparring makes the fighter, you are stuck somewhere in the early 90s. Stop doing that.

>Don't get me wrong, your training should be mainly drilling but saying that good fighters don't spar seems extremely misinformed. Like you can literally type "sparring in thailand" into Youtube and see hundreds of videos of top fighters sparring. How many fights have you had and how long have you been training?
Been training for over 15 years and have no professional fights because I was always in for self-defense, never for sports. I sparred European champions (full contact karate), Malaysian champions (Muay Thai), German vice-champions (boxing) and people from the Chinese national team (Sanda/Sanshou).

So I was one of the guys they brought in to get drilled through the meat grinder so to say. Looking back, I could have easily fought professionally, but I don't have the mentality to hurt people for (shit) money.

>get knocked out
>hit skull on floor
>hit headgear on floor

Which is better?

sorry, he cross choked him from cllosed guard not triangled him.

but yeah it really did happen

youre literally goal mode if true.

It's not all that it's cracked up to be, desu. Since I mainly go for self-defense, combat sports was definitely the wrong choice.

It's a different kind of courage you need for the ring and for a real fight. So to say. But I did too much training and I'm pretty fucked up now anyway.

yeah i feel that no doubt
in real life all that matters is whos willing to go farther, and some people will kill to protect their ego so it isnt always worth it.
and yeah youve got the experience anyway, so be grateful and move on

I don't think sparring makes the fighter, but I think sparring is part of the whole picture that makes a fighter. Like I said, drilling is far and away the most important aspect. I find it interesting tat both me and everyone I know went to gyms for farang, but only you know the magical 2secret4foreigners "True Muay Thai" gyms. My point about "making up" for the lack of sparring is that unless you spend at least SOME time sparring/fighting then your progress is severely hindered.
I also think it's funny how someone so vehemently against sparring has apparently spent 15 years sparring with various international champions.

Again, you can find hundreds of videos of active, professional Thais sparring on YT. Or are they all farang too?

Judo friend here,
There is definitely a learning curve for bjj or any martial art. That said, the one for bjj is often very gentle towards beginners especially with good instructors/teammates. Do not be afraid to ask for help from other students who have a bit more time training. They are there to help you out.

That being said, you have a responsibility to keep yourself safe during training. If you feel as if your arm is being ripped out of its socket when training omoplatas, it is. Remember to tap. Ankle locks do not hurt until something gets torn and you do not want a gimped foot for 6+ months. If there happens to be someone who is treating other students badly during training, it might not be in your best interest to roll with them.

Keep your body clean, your gi washed, nails trimmed, and your dirty neckbeard neatly groomed because no one wants to work out with "THAT" guy.

Finally, be sure to start including flexibility work into your overall fitness routine. Yoga is a good way to prevent future injuries.

Have fun!
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>Ankle locks do not hurt until something gets torn and you do not want a gimped foot for 6+ months.
Uhm, they hurt. A lot. Back when I was a white belt a long time ago, I repeatedly made stage at tournaments doing nothing but ankle locks, and that was when I had only basic notions of how to finish them.

BJJ is a cult, they're just trying to isolate you from your family until "rolling" with other "bjj players" and gulping down acai bowls consumes your entire life

Where does the acai bowl stereotype come from? Never actually seen it irl.

This, I joined a jiu jitsu gym and they made me donate all my money to the flat earth foundation.

My only goals in life are to go to my job, the gym, and perfect my dela riva form

>He doesn't wrestling with bears
youtu.be/mjfOeLQG9-M

my BJJ gym has an acai bowl place next door unironically

What's the difference between freestyle and folkstyle?

How much of a meme is ninjutsu?

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a solid 25/10

>kicks you in the knee cap
>bust it open
>laughs at your martial arts skills while you are screaming from the pain
What now? BJJ?
>you try to take him down before he kicks yojr knee
>you hit your head on the pavement and die
Bravo

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I'm not proficient in folkstyle, but as far as I know it has less focus on throws and more on riding and pinning (i.e. controlling) your opponent as well as having a different bottom game.

You can learn bjj training twice a week, definitly, if:
1. you never take a week of during at least two years.
2. do your conditioning on other days of the week (strength, cardio, flexibility/mobility, balance coordination, footwork .
3. do 2h long session, with nothing but technique and sparring.
4. you are ok to stay purple belt all your life.
5. study techniques on your days off.
I did, kimura, rnc and goose neck wristlock, all standing.
main difference are the way you score or not and what is considered a scramble

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>Checking a toe kick is hard
No.

>checking against a metal toe saver
Congrats you shattered your whatever you checked with.

I'm doing twice a week, and I'm making improvements. I would not say that it's a waste of time, but that it is rather inefficient. I only do it because of my work and lifting schedule

Fighting gym culture is different than gym culture. Just show up in clean clothes and don't try to lay the smackdown on your rolling partner. Pro tip: get friendly with your partners and instructor if you plan on staying

>less focus on throws
NO focus on throws, most throws are illegal in folkstyle (to prevent injury). If a wrestler is lifted, he has to be brought down with control.

I've only ever done freestyle, thanks for clearing that up.

>He thinks you check a kick at the foot
Thx for playing retard, try to actually figure out how to check a kick next time.

Did he tap or was it illegal?

breaking is legal but pros don't do it out of respect for the other guy's career

>getting knocked out
goof

is a 3 days boxing + 2 days iron pumping routine per week too much?
I don't know if I can handle it but I can try and see what's up

throws are legal as long as one of your knees touches the mat before your opponent touches the mat. Sure they have to be brought down "with control" but ideally you go to a knee while still bringing them down hard. Gotta wrestle within those gray areas between rules

Is sparring(boxing) 2 times a week too much or just enough?

So he thought the other guy didn't know what was happening? Ik heal hooks can be no joke but it didnt seem like the other guy was in that much pain

Its like the bare minimum

Folkstyle actually incentivizes getting up from bottom position

Even at beginner levels a mouth guard is essential. It's possible to bite your own tongue off.

Freestyle is the best way to go. Folkstyle a second. Greco-Roman third as it is all uppee body throws.

Nah fuck that even once a fortnight is better nothing. It depends how serious you wanna take it. You can learn a martial art and not be super into it.

What should I expect from learning Kyokushin Karate?

I should I build up muscles first before joining as white belt?

They drill a lot, plus cardio and bodyweight stuff in practice.
Sometimes they would do strength work outside out side of training.

Bulld up cardio before joining
Do couch to 5k then join

So I've hit a point where training in sand doesn't really benefit me as much anymore, should I start using resistance bands or train underwater (more like neck level) in a public pool?

best karate style imo
just go

There are extremely few skinny or skinnyfat wrestlers at the elite level. Pic related is the current NCAA champ. Pretty lean.

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There's few unathletic looking people at any competitive sport at an elite level

We spend a lot of time lifting weights, especially in the offseason. Coaches always encourage us to bulk hard in the offseason. Once the season starts we get shredded to fit into a lower weight class. The training helps with this because it's really intense. The day of a match we dehydrate ourselves for the weight cut which makes us look even more shredded (Pro bodybuilders do that too). Basically we are very strong and very lean.

Emphasis on extremely few. For every unathletic looking wrestler you can find, I can find 5 who are jacked as hell. It's a sport that favors being strong and being lean/having good cardio. This filters out many DYELs

Is it worth it to get a heavy bag? I cant afford regularly training somewhere and my gym time has been reduced due to a herniated disk I've been healing, but I was thinking of getting this heavy bag off craigslist so I could have something to train with and get my heart rate up at home. I did sanshou for a while so I've got basic striking technique and the gloves/wraps to not fuck my hands up.