Why do you guys hate trannies so much...

Because we actually put in effort instead of just demanding people call us women. I practiced a ton to get good at doing a girl voice so I could catfish/troll people.

We used to call them flaming faggot flamboyant fairy fudge fuckers and I still do.

youtu.be/VrB4iIDA26Q

The only difference is now they have hormones. They always acted the same. The hormones don't cause it.

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is this a reverse troll? the infographic seems to be conveying that trannies are being treated unfairly, not that they're inherently screwed up or whatever

>the infographic seems to be conveying that trannies are being treated unfairly
do I have to go point by point about how everything there is their fault or do you have enough braincells to figure that out by yourself

Neither are ok, hang yourself.

not him but I'd like to see you try

I would very very much like to see you deliver a point by point explanation of why everything on that chart is the fault of the individuals in question. I am sure it will be a well sourced and balanced argument. Go right ahead user.

The transtrender epidemic is a covert operation by a small group of elites as mass conversation therapy for gay and gender noncomforming kids. There is going to be a lost generation that grows out of this bullshit left with brittle bone syndrome, fucked up hormonal disorders, impotence, hacked off breasts and genitals and a freakshow physique and they are going to be ABANDONED because it doesn't align with the current agenda. I pity the younger generation, everything has regressed so much when it comes to "gender". The whole fucking concept needs to be reworked

You don't actually, rather the trannies should explain how every single one of their shortcomings as a result of their warped and depraved minds is somehow the fault of society rather than themselves. Burden of proof is on them.

(Why do you guys hate trannies so much?)

Ok to make it more simple for (you) to understand I ask this:

Why do people hate niggers?

There you go,if you can find the answer to that then you will get it why nobody likes them,they are literally the same thing in a certain way.

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This guy saved me the trouble if you can't understand what he meant by that you are too far gone fellow posters also thank you based user

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I can't help but find it incredibly ironic that people like you three constantly use slurs like "warped", "deranged" and "delusional" to tar trannies, have you guys ever read your own fucking posts? You're a bunch of paranoid tinfoilers.
oh so you have nothing but your smug frog? That's pretty much what I expected. Anyways as regards to why it's not "their fault", I'll say that there's a growing body of medical evidence to suggest that transgenderism/gender dysphoria has a biological basis: sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150213112317.htm

Also I will cite companies openly admitting to discriminating against transgender individuals in my country (UK) as a factor for their economic disenfranchisement and fear of discrimination: crosslandsolicitors.com/site/cases/transgender-discrimination-in-UK-workplaces

Ball's in your court now retard.

Absolutely based and pinkpilled
Cringe and tardpilled

You are not wanted here nor in the real world, rope yourselfes before you inevitably look like caitlyn janner, also stop circlejerking, I know you monstrosites have to stick together since no one else would want to even so much as look at you but please do it in a discord or something, begone now, go back to tending your gaping holes where your dicks used to be, also be sure to clean your stomach shitbags

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so you can't, very well then

>Posts unsourced graph
>G-go away!
Cope

Your text is a barrage of boring, unoriginal personal attacks and your graph is unsourced and completely deprived of context, the worth in your posts are about as high as your IQ - absolute zero. I suggest you infact end your life tripfag, for you are a brainlet edgelord and will forever remain one.

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>I can't help but find it incredibly ironic that people like you three constantly use slurs like "warped", "deranged" and "delusional" to tar trannies
Considering how this is a spot-on application of said terms with complete accuracy in regards to the psyche of trannies, there's every reason to refer to them as such.
> I'll say that there's a growing body of medical evidence to suggest that transgenderism/gender dysphoria has a biological basis: sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150213112317.htm
Everything has a biological basis, however wanting to become a tranny is solely applicable to existing impressionable leads from birth being manipulated by the media to lead people towards adopting a fetish for cross-dressing and/or becoming a tranny. MtF sex changes are primarily caused by lust, rather than any actual need, see Michael Bailey's book, "The Man Who Would Be Queen".
>Also I will cite companies openly admitting to discriminating against transgender individuals in my country (UK) as a factor for their economic disenfranchisement and fear of discrimination: crosslandsolicitors.com/site/cases/transgender-discrimination-in-UK-workplaces
Companies have every right to not hire people who aren't applicable for the job. Trannies are not desirable workers and they almost always prey on women already existing in the company, while also having and engaging in frequent mental tangents and breakdowns. This isn't society "targeting" trannies. This is private firms seeing ineligible workers and declining them.

Cope with what, the fact that I wasn't born mentally ill? The fact that I don't want to mutilate my body in a horrific way? The fact that I don't believe I am gender which I wasn't born? If anything you are the ones coping with the fact that everything I say and post is factually true and you literally have no way to prove it isn't so. Dissapear from this thread, filth, I have nothing to say anymore to the likes of you, back to your discord shitholes and be sure to give me more (you)'s on the way out, you are only proving my point, the day of the rope will come soon.

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Lying or unicorns

>however wanting to become a tranny is solely >applicable to existing impressionable leads from birth being manipulated by the media to lead people towards adopting a fetish for cross-dressing and/or becoming a tranny
What is the basis of this claim?
>MtF sex changes are primarily caused by lust, rather than any actual need
But sex change surgery and hormone therapy reduce sex drive due to a reduction in testosterone, and contrary to your claim that there is no "actual need", gendery dysphoria causes psychological distress and sex reassignment and hormone therapy have clinical data to back that up, here's a meta analysis of several studies that pools over 800 FtM and 1000 mtf trannies: onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/J.1365-2265.2009.03625.x
>see Michael Bailey's book, "The Man Who Would Be Queen".
Is this the one where the dude does all his research by visiting gay bars? Lmao. I'll stick to science thanks.
>Companies have every right to not hire people who aren't applicable for the job.
Correct.
>Trannies are not desirable workers and they almost always prey on women already existing in the company
Prejudiced statement with no basis in reality, in which you provide zero evidence to support your claim, this part of your post only lends further credence to the claim that trannies are victims of unfair bigotry and prejudice.
I see that you've completely disengaged from everyone in the thread and are just spamming infographs and slapdash rhetoric now. Nice work.

>What is the basis of this claim?
Trannies are born impressionable and easy manipulated. The resurgence of support for becoming a tranny in the media hence leads to them becoming victims of their effort.
>But sex change surgery and hormone therapy reduce sex drive due to a reduction in testosterone
Did I claim otherwise? I'm talking about tranny aims and goals prior to undergoing the "sex change", not the actual act of it in itself.
>gendery dysphoria causes psychological distress and sex reassignment and hormone therapy have clinical data to back that up
The source you linked goes as far to call itself "low quality evidence", which is accurate considering that transexuals are most happy with their state immediately after surgery. It's a temporary high as a result of them being "cured" of a disorder that isn't even their primary problem:
academia.edu/35721056/Gender_dysphoria_transsexulism_and_schizophrenia_a_case_report
>Is this the one where the dude does all his research by visiting gay bars? Lmao. I'll stick to science thanks.
If you summarise that as well as the additional research he underwent as "visiting gay bars" then that's your own problem.
>Prejudiced statement with no basis in reality, in which you provide zero evidence to support your claim, this part of your post only lends further credence to the claim that trannies are victims of unfair bigotry and prejudice.
There's no evidence trannies are victims of unfair bigotry and prejudice either. However it's well known that homosexuals, transexuals and other sexual degenerates are much more predatory than their straight counterparts and cannot be trusted to behave responsibly in a working environment. Notice how most of the news sources here for examples have been deleted. This is because the tranny-allied media deletes any evidence speaking out against them:
outofmypantiesnow.wordpress.com/2013/10/28/when-is-90-not-substantially-all/

Mostly I feel bad for the faggots. Stuck with a mental illness in a society that wants them to embrace it rather than try and come to terms with their biological reality. And they fuckin bought that lie hook, line and sinker because they didn't have the capacity to say no. It's like holding a poisoned leg of lamb up to a starving dog.
But still, they should just fuck off to lgbt and trash. Plenty of space there for em. Plenty of others there like them. It'd be better for both groups just to segregate completely. We can all see clearly that r9k cannot coexist with them, the pol overlap is far too strong, for starters. They're always coming into threads and derailing with their faggot shit and I'm real tired of it. I just want to talk about random shit with other likeminded losers without some homoids hooking up and erping with each other not two posts above me. And I know what you're going to say:
>"Just ignore them lol"
Won't do shit. Because you can guarantee at least one guy is going to finally snap and launch into a righteous fury on those faggots and that'll be the end of it.

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The assesment of the evidence as"very low quality" is due to a lack of control populations, control populations cannot be found because no trans person is going to forego medical care for years or even decades for the sake of being the control population in a study, user. It's a fair thing for you to point out, but it's also a problem intrinsic to the condition, the fact of the matter remains that what evidence we do have supports the beneficial effects of these therapies, and there are no large scale studies or meta analysis claiming the contrary.

You then go on to claim that the fix is a "temporary high" how one can get a temporary high from a lifelong course of hormone therapy, I'm not quite sure. That having been said, you were discussing surgery - but this further belies your ignorance on the topic, as most trans people are on hormone therapy for several years before undergoing any sort of surgery and hormone therapy is the frontline of transgender healthcare. You then go on to cite your case study.

I think your reading comprehension has failed you when reading this case study, because in the quoted section from the abstract it is saying that a) GID existed in the patient before schizophrenia onset, b) schizophrenia subsided with treatment typical of that given to schizophreics, but gendery dysphoria did not and that c) the schizophrenic symptoms may have been an exarcebation of distress caused by gendery dysphoria, which the author of the case study infers from the study to be "a comparatively stable belief of sex change" (i.e not a psychotic delusion like those found in schizophrenia.)

Seriously, did you read what you cited or did you just google "transgender schizophrenia" and post the first thing you found?

I forgot to quote the part of the abstract I was summarising:

"We present a case of an adult, biological male diagnosed schizophrenia with gender dysphoria. The present case supports this view as the patient showed features of GD much before the onset of schizophrenia and the latter subsided with the treatment but not the former. This may suggest that the GD is a comparatively stable belief of sex change and the schizophrenic symptoms occurred as florid exacerbation of the trait. "

>The assesment of the evidence as"very low quality" is due to a lack of control populations, control populations cannot be found because no trans person is going to forego medical care for years or even decades for the sake of being the control population in a study, user.
No one forgoes medical care for the sake of being a control population in a medical study. Virtually every last one of these studies is unsourced and misconstrued and flip-flops on how "beneficial" the surgery is constantly: "The majority of studies were non-longitudinal, exploratory type studies (i.e., in a preliminary state of investigation or hypothesis generating), or did not include concurrent controls or testing prior to and after surgery. Several reported positive results but the potential issues noted above reduced strength and confidence. After careful assessment, we identified six studies that could provide useful information. Of these, the four best designed and conducted studies that assessed quality of life before and after surgery using validated (albeit non-specific) psychometric studies did not demonstrate clinically significant changes or differences in psychometric test results after [gender reassignment surgery]" This is precisely the case with the one you linked.
>You then go on to claim that the fix is a "temporary high"
You are aware that the actual surgical sex-change operation is different from taking oestrogen over the course of a few years right? What defines a "transgender" person is that they undergo an operation and after that is where the suicide rates rise.
>I think your reading comprehension has failed you when reading this case study,
It actually supports my claim since it was there to show that they have similar risk factors and mechanisms indicative of a manipulated mind. I never mentioned schizophrenia was a direct cause of GD, rather they, along with other mental disorders such as autism manifested themselves in the same individuals.

On the matter of the evidence quality of the study I think you've actually made a few fair points - I'll concede that the evidence is not high quality, albeit I conceded as much earlier, and have also pointed out that, so far as I'm aware, there aren't studies suggesting the contrary (that hormones and surgery are harmful to gender dysphoric individuals).
>What defines a "transgender" person is that they undergo an operation and after that is where the suicide rates rise.
What? This is patently false. I don't know what to tell you user, but a transgender person is someone who identifies with the gender opposite the one they are """"""assigned""""" at birth, this is the working definition used by, well, everyone. I'm not sure whether your claim that somebody only becomes transgender when they recieve sex reassignment surgery is sophistry or ignorance, but you're wrong on this one.
>and after that is where the suicide rates rise.
Do you have a single fact to back that up? I'll provide some evidence to the contrary: transgender youth in the UK demonstrate high suicide rates, and you can't *have* genital surgery until the age of 18: theguardian.com/education/2017/jun/27/half-of-trans-pupils-in-the-uk-tried-to-take-their-own-lives-survey-finds
> I never mentioned schizophrenia was a direct cause of GD, rather they, along with other mental disorders such as autism manifested themselves in the same individuals.
Comorbidity of various mental health conditions does occur in trans individuals, yes. To then extrapolate from that that trans people have "manipulated minds" however is an absurd leap in logic. It runs right back to your "manipulation by mass media" hypothesis that you have no supporting evidence for, and also takes us back to the start of my posting where I cited the biological basis for transgenderism: sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150213112317.htm

>What? This is patently false. I don't know what to tell you user, but a transgender person is someone who identifies with the gender opposite the one they are """"""assigned""""" at birth
That's the "official" definition. But it's well known by now that no one agrees on it and it changes virtually every time a person writes about it. For example, the difference between "transexual" and "transgender" are practically undefined. However, someone undergoing that kind of mutilation is irreversible, whereas beforehand you could easily be referred to as more accurately, a transvestite.
>Do you have a single fact to back that up?
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/
You may think that, since the "conclusion" surmises that since there is a marginal short-term improvement in dysphoria following that is a sign of success, however since this is the only type of "help" offered and those who aren't happy long-term are dead or disappeared and not available for sample, it's not accurate.
Rates of suicide are exemplified years after suicide and therapy, hence the follow-up period is 10 or 20 years after it. It's also worth mentioning that those who tend to be "unhappy" after these operations actually often end up disappearing from records and being unavailable for further research, meaning even then the negative reception is underrepresented.
All the UK study exhibits is that they already have high suicide rates, there's no surgery to compare them to.
>Comorbidity of various mental health conditions does occur in trans individuals, yes. To then extrapolate from that that trans people have "manipulated minds" however is an absurd leap in logic.
It's perfectly valid. People born with mental deficiencies are more easily indoctrinated by the tranny friendly media to accentuate their disorder rather than actually cure it. Hence this leads to other, dormant psychological issues exhibiting themselves afterwards.

I've never known a trans person who didn't go on monologues about being trans; it's tiresome. Being trans is, to them, the most important thing. There are many other reasons why I would not befriend a trans person, in addition to that.

I want to date one but there are literally none of them in my country

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>whereas beforehand you could easily be referred to as more accurately, a transvestite.
Incorrect, a transvestite is a hobbyist or fetishist who dresses up or acts as the opposite sex. They don't take cross sex hormones, don't suffer from gender dysphoria and more often than not do not present as the opposite gender full time. They also do not identify with the opposite gender.
>All the UK study exhibits is that they already have high suicide rates, there's no surgery to compare them to.
user, it's a study of trans schoolchildren. They can't get genital surgery.
As to your Swedish long term followup study:
"Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."
The conclusion is absolutely correct. This is why genital surgery is not the main course of treatment for gender dysphoric individuals. I don't know why you seem to think people are being forced into it, it's an option that people choose after several years of hormone therapy - many people don't choose it at all and just stick with the hormones due to a lack of satisfaction with current surgical technique, or just plain old squeamishness.
>however since this is the only type of "help" offered
Again, falsity. The main, primary point of help for gender dysphorics is hormone therapy, not sex reassignment surgery.
>It's perfectly valid. People born with mental deficiencies are more easily indoctrinated by the tranny friendly media to accentuate their disorder rather than actually cure it.
The media isn't a monolith promoting a unitary "trans agenda".

I hate those weird discord fuckers who have made it impossible for me to post my own feelings on Jow Forums

a) GID existed in the patient before schizophrenia onset, b) schizophrenia subsided with treatment typical of that given to schizophreics, but gendery dysphoria did not and that c) the schizophrenic symptoms may have been an exarcebation of distress caused by gendery dysphoria, which the author of the case study infers from the study to be "a comparatively stable belief of sex change" (i.e not a psychotic delusion like those found in schizophrenia.)

That's a pretty interesting read, user. I agree that distress does make a person more likely to seek being the opposite gender as a solution to their issues.

>Incorrect, a transvestite is a hobbyist or fetishist who dresses up or acts as the opposite sex.
That'd just be cross-dressing. Transvestites actually suffer from much the same fetishistic disorder that people who take action on it do, this is true since males with transvestic fetishism also tend to exhibit GD and receive much the same sexual excitement from it.
>user, it's a study of trans schoolchildren. They can't get genital surgery.
That's my point, which is why it's incomparable. "Trans" schoolchildren also implies that they are so by their own accord, in reality it is the rough equivalent of statutory rape on their person.
>The conclusion is absolutely correct. This is why genital surgery is not the main course of treatment for gender dysphoric individuals.
They aren't being forced into it, but they're lead into it. Passive oestrogen is in everything now, people who are slaves to plastics and manufactured food may as well be trannies already. This is why there's pressure towards surgery. Not to mention the hormone therapy itself also leads to increased risk of various adverse physical changes, increased risk of strokes, heart attacks, obesity all of which conveniently also have a negative impact on psychological health.
>Again, falsity. The main, primary point of help for gender dysphorics is hormone therapy, not sex reassignment surgery.
I'm categorising hormone therapy as the exact same kind of false "solution" as sex reassignment. Both of them are the wrong answer with adverse effects that present themselves later on following either the surgery, or increasing amounts of oestrogen unnaturally forced into the male body.
>The media isn't a monolith promoting a unitary "trans agenda".
The media wants every single person to become a tranny, to make them easier to control, manipulate and generally make them passive and mentally distraught individuals who can't pose any threat to them.

What if your issue is feeling like you were born the wrong gender though? :^)
>Transvestites actually suffer from much the same fetishistic disorder that people who take action on it do, this is true since males with transvestic fetishism also tend to exhibit GD and receive much the same sexual excitement from it.
More hammering on about fetishism without providing evidence. Also completely ignores that ftm transexuals exist. An incredibly flimsy hypothesis founded on prejudice and with no basis in reality.
> Passive oestrogen is in everything now, people who are slaves to plastics and manufactured food may as well be trannies already.
For the sake of argument let's assume that this is a 100% accurate statement, and that the amount of eostregenic chemicals in our modern lifestyle is causing transgenderism, how do you explain female to males? I've brought them up like three times now and you keep ignoring them, presumabely because their very existence runs contrary to your belief that transgender people are just fetishistic crossdressers, but no matter how much you ignore them, they're still there.
>The media wants every single person to become a tranny, to make them easier to control, manipulate and generally make them passive and mentally distraught individuals who can't pose any threat to them.
Okay retard

>More hammering on about fetishism without providing evidence. Also completely ignores that ftm transexuals exist.
You haven't denied MtF are fetishists, since they are, you're aware of as much yourself. FtM are slightly less degenerate but still suffer all the same psychological depravity. One of the studies I quoted earlier actually linked them to a vastly higher rate of crime, violent and non-violent than MtF.
>how do you explain female to males?
Because the vast majority of trannies here are male to female. Female to male trannies are fetishistic crossdressers, just to a lesser extent, since other deficiencies in their psyche take precedence first.

>What if your issue is feeling like you were born the wrong gender though? :^)
Okay. I'll accept that I'm schizophrenic for the sake of answering this. Looking back, I should have been diagnosed a very long time ago, but I was lucky and managed to avoid it. It only happened because I was getting increasingly paranoid over the past year or two and couldn't hide it anymore. I came to be targeted increasingly because of it. I then decided that being a girl would alleviate my issues a lot and make people more tolerant of me. It's really just a cope for me. That's why I have little desire to take HRT or cut off my dick.

i dont care as long as they are a normal human being who can do their job without fuss. i dont see real trannies very often but i moved to washington state for a while and there were at least one or two store sales associates or whatever that i distinctly remember being surprisingly normal. my only other experience with a tranny was some absolutely disgusting individual in high school, but i think there are normal ones out there.

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>You haven't denied MtF are fetishists
I thought it was pretty obvious throughout that I was denying this because I've repeatedly asked you to provide evidence for this claim, the implication being that, you know, I don't believe your claim, you fucking retard.
"it's possible that a schizophrenic might think he is trans when he isn't" =/= all trans people are schizophrenic. Are you brain damaged?

My general problem with trannies and lgbt people in general is that they have no personality whatsoever. Their only quirk is that they're gay/trans/whatever

If you want evidence just look at the catalog and all the trannies in it, they're even more sexually desperate than the "incels" here. All the evidence you need, tranny.

>"it's possible that a schizophrenic might think he is trans when he isn't" =/= all trans people are schizophrenic.
Where did I claim that? I'm only talking about myself.
>Are you brain damaged?
Probably haha.

You can tell its a dude. Trannies over compensate with over exaggerated high pitch voice, they dress what men think women wear, meaning high heels and short skirts, wigs, and make up as casual, getting plastic surgery that is meant to fit and enhance the female anatomy (like breast implants)
, butt lifts) etc. You can tell its a man irl and ive seen a few on and off campus and I kek each time.

>the individuals of a specific group found on Jow Forums or representative of that groups wider population
>implying

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The "specific" group found on Jow Forums aren't even native to here, retard. They're invaders from Discord, Tumblr and Reddit. Guess how common they are on all of these websites?

didnt read a single one of these absolutely shit posts. if you argue like this you are retarded and pathologically fucking braindead. the other side is NEVER going to see your point and just pull more shit out of their ass that is either subjective or unsubstantial

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>They're invaders from Discord, Tumblr and Reddit.
So is fucking everybody on this shithole of a website since 2016 onwards. This board is full of children posting about their facebook crushes, you can get banned for saying the "nigger" word and sakura fish threads are banned on /a/. Your point?
>he thinks arguing on the internet is about convincing the opposition rather than wasting time
whatever fag

>he knows its just a matter of wasting time until thread dies or other person gives up
>still does it

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That study cites a bunch of real disorders that are far rare than 1 in 100. Those DO have a biological basis but the problem is the connection to being a tranny is non existent. The farce that males who think they are female somehow are born more feminine due to endocrine disorders is far fetched. Those disorders are way more rare and the doctors who helped your mom shit you out wouldve put it in your record and you would had received medicine accordingly.

>he knows that it's just a manner of wasting time
>he even feels the need to point it out to someone doing it
>he starts arguing on the internet as a result
wwwwwww
nigger

The only nigger here is you. Youre just a rat and your body is being experimented on as we speak, which WILL benefit medicine in the future (you should get paid to do it at least, no?). Keep taking Testosterone blockers and fuck your system up with excessive estrogen accumulation since its the female hormone. Did you know that trannies like you probably have more estrogen/ less testosterone in your system than a natural born female? And dont take that as a compliment you mongrel.

imagine being this asshurt that people on the internet take pills with estrogen in them lmao

Keep that shit away from me, I don't want to know where your asinine pills go.

Arent you going to kill yourself?

This funny because watching contapoints made me hate trainnies. He's so shrill and annoying.

All those guys saying contrapoints changed their minds were alt lite retards worshiping peterstein at best and vapid contrarians sucking on milo's cock at worst.

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>ContraPoints
Why do people even like this disgusting trannoid?