Have 900 calorie breakfast

Both of these user
Or just take adderall/vyvanse/meth and you'll skip entire days without food, that'll shrink your stomach down good

HEY FATTY

So what exactly did you eat?

It's highly likely whatever your eating is low in protein and fiber.

I'm kind of sympathetic because I have a BMI of nearly 28 but I try cutting down on calories, eating less cheap meat/fat etc but 900 calories for breakfast? Jesus Christ you better work as a constructor or some shit

>fiber

Increasing your fiber intake alone would help. Fiber's slower to digest, so you feel full longer. Get some of those grain bars, eat one of those if you're feeling peckish.

Eating is your way of coping with suffering.

Post current body weight and height

Just chew your food dude. Literally worked for me. I used to eat a lot because I would just devour my food within 5 minutes like I haven't eaten for a week and still feel hungry so I get seconds. But now that I chew my food properly, I eat significantly less.

I'd stay away from things that contain high fructose corn syrup. Apparently, it inhibits a certain function in your brain that tells you to stop eating. But that could just be hearsay

why has nobody responded to the most legitimate piece of advice in the thread? If you eat 900 cal of butter for breakfast well yeah no shit you'll be hungry again soon that's only about as big as 9 tablespoons of food. Eat a massive bowl of raisin bran or something and you'll feel more satisfied for longer with less calories

>900 calorie
>0.9 kcal
>still starving
No shit, friend

lmao I eat all the time, because I feel weird not consuming, so I just go to fridge after I'm done and search for something else literally all day, and I'm 54kg. But I want to get heavier, like steel, not like feathers. But I eat slow and sometimes not eat everything because it's difficult for me. I don't like the process of eating, it's tiresome - I like being fed though
And yeah I chew my food a lot, I don't swallow it until it's liquid-like

Lindemann - Fat
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>if u fat jus eat less

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I recommended a song about fat fetishism, your comment is bad >:(

then why don't you eat more instead of wasting your time creating a thread and replying to people?
best part about obesity is that it kills fat people.

Yep that's literally how it works
Your problem is also probably that you eat shitty, fatty food so you can't fill up. If you eat fiber or protein rich foods only you'd have no trouble losing weight.

>a massive bowl of high glycemic index garbage
falling for the "healthy whole grains meme"
its hard to fight the eating impulse when you are miserable. i'm usually miserable. i can sympathize.

for most of the last 2 months i've been eating 3000-4000 kcal per day and resistance training five days a week.
my gut has swelled a bit and now i'm cutting into austerity for the next 2 months.
i'll probably have a cup ~200 cal cup of coffee (1/2 cup of whole milk, 2 tsp of butter. 2.5 tsp coconut oil, 1 cup of strong mocha-pot coffee - blended). and then eat one meal 4-5 hours later... i'd guess about 1400-1800 cal meal
i will also punctuate each of the next two months with a 5-7 day total fast.

anyway... depends on what you're eating; what you've been eating.
try the "slow carb" approach as described by tim ferris & consume quality fats.

i ate 2 sandwiches today

Calorie in/Calorie out is complete bullshit. Switch to keto, you'll feel more 'full' carb diets are cancerous

It's literally difficult to not lose weight on keto

Hey op, former fat guy here. Two foods that saved me by filling me up like I ate more than I did are oatmeal with honey instead of sugar and broccoli with cheese. Have a good one retard

How else do you think people lose weight you fat fuck?

HEY FATTY
EAT NOTHING UNTIL NOT FAT

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Gluttony is a sin user, please eat healthy small size meals. Trust me you're not going to die.

Alright, enjoy your heart attacks, diabetes, and poor self image lmao. When will you fatties learn?

The laws of thermodynamics are bullshit? For fatsos your mental gymnastics are pretty strong

I eat about 4Ibs of cabbage and 2Ibs of beef a day and I've been losing weight and feeling full for a few years now. Like I said current nutrition science has a whole lot of shit wrong. Check the studies demonstrating that fat doesn't cause heart problems which was the entire reason the vegan and vegetarian diets even exist (misconception of fat = bad)
Calories don't even exist, the "calories" of something are determined by boiling food in a container than measuring the temperature difference. They're a by product of a pre biochemistry era that just never went away. We now know the impact things like hormones make a much bigger impact on things like fat distribution.
Srs bros, go keto, you won't regret it

>I-it's just energy bro
Absolute brainlet detected
Eat 500-800 "Calories" of cake for a month and see if you lose weight

Keep in mind that the calorie model was created in the 1820s while ATP (the biological unit of "energy") wasn't discovered until a hundred years later in the 1920s. The entire foundation of the calorie model is just bad science, it has absolutely nothing to do with biology
These days they don't even "measure the calories" of foods, they just use pre set calculations based upon previous boiling experiments.
You all need to realize if you ever hope to be healthy that 1. Calorie model is not even scientific 2. Carb based diets will leave you less satisfied and less healthy 3. The amount of propaganda and misinformation in the nutrition industry is a massive

You are just a lazy landwhale.

calories exist as reasonable generalization
they do not take into account net energy balance of each macro-nutrient but the calories-in-calories-out way of thinking does not account for the hormonal shifts and overall physiologic effects of various meal compositions

you could gain weight on cabbage & beef but it'd be goddamn hard to do without feeling overstuffed to the point of bursting
dietary composition is everything
walk on cabbage&beefbro

>Calories exist
No user, they really don't. They're an entire theoretical concept, there is no biological representation of a 'calorie' it's a temperature increase in boiling food, nothing more, it has absolutely no relation to the body and is a concept that just never went away after we discovered how our bodies actually worked. It's from a time period when we assumed our bodies functioned similar to clockwork or steam engines.

I don't say this to be mean bro, I made it after figuring out a lot of the misinformation in the health industry and I just want as many of us to make it as they can. Calories being an outdated concept is similar to fat = bad being an outdated concept (and arguably was motivated by the sugar industry trying to pawn off all the problems their product caused onto fat)
npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/13/493739074/50-years-ago-sugar-industry-quietly-paid-scientists-to-point-blame-at-fat
The vegan and vegetarian diets stem from this false notion of fat being bad. The amount of damage done to our countries because of the misinformation is absolutely massive. But that's part of the point now isn't it? Imagine how much money is to be made by keeping people dysfunctional
Most people follow the USDA food pyramid and doing so lead to the obesity epidemic because it was never based on any research.
There is so much wrong out there bro, everything from dental problems to gallbladder dysfunction can be blamed on a low fat diet that was pushed on us

>incrementally reduce food every day
>incrementally increase exercise every day
>get healthier in a way that respects the pace of any human body
you're fat because you're too retarded to know this

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>I'm born to be fat thererore I'm not to blame for it
>me eating 1.6k calories as a snack is not abnormal therefore I'm not disgusting human waste
You're a pathetic sack of blob. It amazes me me what new lows the human species can reach.

Cut out carbs, walk a little and watch pounds melt away as you stuff your face with non-carb foods. Literally that easy.

Is Jow Forums helpful?

>you fat fuckk

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>t. butthurt fatty

Don't you have a second lunch to get back to?

Dietary fiber is by definition the stuff your body can't absorb nutrients from. You don't exactly digest it

Fiber is used to feed the bacteria which help you break down other things, and synthesize neural transmitters. You want fiber to keep your microbes healthy, which in turn helps you stay healthy

get your thyroid checked, it's not normal to be that hungry.
also learn to differentiate between hunger and boredom - if you're not hungry enough to eat an apple, you're not really hungry.

I would also look into sleep disorders. if you're fat, you may have sleep apnea, which can make you hungrier during the day to compensate for lack of sleep.

t. used to have issues with overeating but now I stick to 1600-1700 per day

short article on the 'second brain' in our gut
scientificamerican.com/article/gut-second-brain/
On fibers role in helping these gut bacteria out
healthline.com/nutrition/why-is-fiber-good-for-you

This is true and raises an important point - the importance of sleep in general health. Many people think that diet and exercise are the big deciders, but sleep is arguably one of the most important factors. Our bodies go under 'construction' modifying aspects of our physical form constantly, but most of the work is done during the shut down period of night time. Without proper sleep, we won't benefit from good diet and exercise - or at least not nearly as much as we would with it. Try to schedule your sleep to occur sometime between 8pm and 8am (generally around when the sun sets/rises) and get between 7-8hrs minimum. Don't be afraid to get more though

OK, to all you fatties out there. Eat less and you will lose weight. Your brain is just making shit up. It's all about calories in calories out. Everything else is a convenient lie. Genetics? Oh please everyone is designed to gain weight, you are nothing special in that regard.

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Also on thyroid help - look into research on iodine supplements (derived from seaweed, there is a good one from iceland you can get somewhat cheaply that works great) Most people in the world don't get enough iodine, especially these days with fluorine. The idea of 'to much iodine' is mostly bullshit - but I'd still recommend going for the seaweed tablets for iodine

>mfw I ate 6000 calories every day for the last two weeks
>Gut is literally hanging over my pants and flops everywhere when I'm driving
Help I'm getting huge and I can't stop eating.

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>Calories don't even exist, the "calories" of something are determined by boiling food in a container than measuring the temperature difference.

holy shit lmao
calories can't be used to predict how much weight a person will gain from overeating, that depends on hormones and overall metabolism. they ABSOLUTELY can be used to predict how much weight a person will lose, since body fat contains a fixed amount of chemical energy per kg and the human body can't create energy from nothing.

I think you're confusing caloric deficit with hunger. you can lose weight without being hungry. you cannot lose weight without running a caloric deficit.

the reason why people fail to lose weight on calorie-restricted diets is because they don't accurately count calories. at all. ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084

You deserve this. Stop eating fatto.

Quit spreading the calorie meme

see a therapist who specializes in binge eating disorder.
a licensed dietitian may also be of help. NOT a nutritionist; anyone can call themselves that without any training.

Bullshit, absolute bullshit. Anyone whose known anyone who diets strictly on the calorie model has seen them fail to confusion. See my other comments The calorie model has been tested in conjunction with the carb diet as per nutritional guidelines and has lead to our current obesity and general health crisis. If it worked, we wouldn't be experiencing this. It's time you start actually looking into the foundations of these myths - such as the fact that the unit of biochemical energy ATP wasn't even discovered yet when the calorie model was introduced/created

nice bullshit you spew there. You lose weight by eating less. You can't deny this. Stop deluding yourself. Stop eating so much, fatman.

Focus more on what you're eating rather than how much of it you're eating. Go full keto, if you eat 1000-2000 calories a day of candy, you're still going to gain weight and be unhealthy. Switch to only buying meat and vegetables and cooking it yourself, you'll stop feeling hungry, you'll stop over eating, you'll start losing weight, and you'll feel better overall. The cause of over eating on a carb based diet is because our body acts in similar way on such a diet to being addicted to drugs. The insulin cycle provides a high and low, high from glucose release from the carbs, than low as it subsides. Ketones are a more cleaner fuel source, you won't get that high/low and you won't feel hungry or over eat as you are now. Go keto bro, thank me later

literally what drugs are you on. vegan and vegetarian diets are based in not wanting to eat the flesh of other sentient creatures. high fat low carb vegan diets exist.

people are fat because corporations design their food to be calorie-dense, unfulfilling, and addicting. there's no conspiracy covering it up. calories represent the chemical energy that the body is capable of extracting from food; this is established scientific fact.

where is your scientific proof that calories don't exist? specifically peer-reviewed journal citations.

>Anyone whose known anyone who diets strictly on the calorie model has seen them fail to confusion.

Some obese subjects repeatedly fail to lose weight even though they report restricting their caloric intake to less than 1200 kcal per day. We studied two explanations for this apparent resistance to diet--low total energy expenditure and underreporting of caloric intake--in 224 consecutive obese subjects presenting for treatment. Group 1 consisted of nine women and one man with a history of diet resistance in whom we evaluated total energy expenditure and its main thermogenic components and actual energy intake for 14 days by indirect calorimetry and analysis of body composition. Group 2, subgroups of which served as controls in the various evaluations, consisted of 67 women and 13 men with no history of diet resistance.

RESULTS:
Total energy expenditure and resting metabolic rate in the subjects with diet resistance (group 1) were within 5 percent of the predicted values for body composition, and there was no significant difference between groups 1 and 2 in the thermic effects of food and exercise. Low energy expenditure was thus excluded as a mechanism of self-reported diet resistance. In contrast, the subjects in group 1 underreported their actual food intake by an average (+/- SD) of 47 +/- 16 percent and overreported their physical activity by 51 +/- 75 percent. Although the subjects in group 1 had no distinct psychopathologic characteristics, they perceived a genetic cause for their obesity, used thyroid medication at a high frequency, and described their eating behavior as relatively normal (all P < 0.05 as compared with group 2).

CONCLUSIONS:
The failure of some obese subjects to lose weight while eating a diet they report as low in calories is due to an energy intake substantially higher than reported and an overestimation of physical activity, not to an abnormality in thermogenesis.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084

Prove me wrong user, it's very easy to do so - if you're going to ignore the fact that the current guidelines based upon an anti fat and carb based diet has lead to the obesity epidemic. If you fail to study the actual science behind nutrition, than conduct your own test. Eat 800 calories of cake and candy a day, if the calorie model is true, you should still be losing weight. If it's not, you'll gain it. How much faith do you have in a model based around boiling food over actual biochemistry?

see The calorie model is accurate. People fail because they are shit at estimating calories.

If you eat less calories then you burn you will lose weight. You don't even need to call them calories. Just call them fat units. Eat less fat units to lose weight. You are deluding yourself with science brain gymnastics.

OP, I have a different theory on this than most. If you're willing to work with me a little bit, I think I can help you attack this issue from all sides.

I have a few somewhat odd questions for you. (This is a science and fact based approach.)

#1 Tell me about which condiments and toppings you explicitly avoid eating, and why.
#2 Do any leafy green vegetables taste very bitter or completely inedible to you?
#3 How is your dairy intake? Do you drink milk, what kind?
#4 Do you eat any fermented foods? Bacterially derived foods? (Active culture yogurts or similar)
#5 Do you eat any high protein dishes? (Cottage cheese, eggs?)
#6 What is in your typical breakfast meal?
#7 Do you eat much microwave prepared dishes? Canned foods? Frozen foods? Or from fresh ingredients? Restaurants/prepared food? (Think about over a week timeframe, what type of prep is most of your intake?)
#8 Have you had your blood tested by a physician to check your thyroid function?
#9 Do you take any vitamins or supplements?
#10 Do you eat any foods with high potassium content? (Raisins, some fruit juices, bananas have a small amount but there are better sources.)

If you answer these questions, I'll help you lose weight in several different ways in this thread if possible, but I'm actually checking to see if you have any specific nutritional diseases that may be a factor.

Eat saucy foods low in sugar, stews are excellent for losing weight because the only caloric dense component of them is the meat, and even then it's high protein.
Also, when you fast, you only have to settle for hunger cramps for 2 hours, and then it goes away. If you have such an insatiable appetite, you should work out and try to get muscles.
Lean body mass naturally consumes more calories to maintain, so you actually burn more passively with some muscle on your frame.
>t. 187 lbs, 6' and been doing body work outs for a year regularly. Today i'm doing my 100 push up/squat, 2:30 minute plank.

Vegan and vegetarian diets are born of the anti fat trend user, have you never talked to one of them before? Have you never read the literature they rely on? It's all based around being 'low fat' because 'fat causes heart disease' that's the sole basis, the ethics bs came later as their brain shrunk and they got more feminine as a result of their diet

>High fat, low carb vegan diets
Laughable, absolute delusional
You clearly know nothing of fats, one of the only plant based options for "animal fats" are coconut and avocado and you cannot get nearly enough on a day to day basis from just those two. This is similar to the vegan claim that you get enough protein but when you look into the meat and potatoes of this claim you find they rely on arguing that humans don't need as much protein anyway, they don't even pretend that they can get the same amount on their diet. There is a host of other problems too, but that should suffice
>People are fat because evil corporations
>No conspiracy covering it up
Are you on a vegan diet, is this why you're a brainlet? Corn and onions was subsidized by the USA government, thus why it's grown practically everywhere and mushed into all our food. The reason it was subsidized was partially because of the anti fat propaganda the sugar industry sponsored. The government saw it as a way to reduce food costs and reduce fat consumption
>Calories represent the chemical energy that the body is capable of extracting
Chemical energy is represented by ATP, there is no research done into seeing if ATP matches up with the calorie model, and there won't be because it doesn't
>This is science!
No it's an outdated physics model from the 1800s that was replaced the moment biochem allowed us to actually learn about our bodies instead of assuming they worked like steam engines

True fat niggas don't care about being fat they just enjoy the food

>Where is your proof calories don't exist
Do you even know what a calorie is? ffs user, you're just embarressing yourself now. We boil food than measure the increase in celisus, that's a calorie. It has nothing to do with food, it has nothing to do with your body, it doesn't exist, it's a theoretical concept derived from temperature increase from boiling. No composition analysis, no ATP testing, no biochem involved

Feel free to prove me wrong user, eat only candy and cake while still being what you consider to be calorie deficiency and report the results after a week to month. There's absolutely no reason that you should observe anything but a weight lose if the calorie model is correct, so what're you waiting for?

>onions
fucking word filter s o y

yes that should work and was probably proven many times already.

>Was probably proven
Than you shouldn't have any trouble citing it being done or trying it yourself? If I'm wrong than you'll still lose weight, if I'm wrong, you'll gain weight. How much faith in the boiled food method to understand your physiology do you have?

>If you're wrong, you'll gain weight*

>Laughable, absolute delusional
Not that user but google "vegan keto", it's a thing.

>Do you even know what a calorie is?
Yes. It's the energy required to raise one mL of water one degree celsius, or roughly 4.2 joules. When used to measure food, it's an indication of the amount of chemical energy that the body can extract from that food, which is near-all of it.

You have no evidence in favor of calories being inaccurate beyond your incorrect assertions that they "have nothing to do with the body." Feel free to link any peer-reviewed study that found this to be true.

Also feel free to continue ignoring the study from the New England Journal of Medicine which found that calorie counts and TDEE are accurate for all people and calorie-restrictive diets fail because people eat more than they think they're eating.

>Than you shouldn't have any trouble citing it being done or trying it yourself?
Bitch I'm anorexic, I lost 2lbs once eating nothing but original flavor Tim-Tams for a week. I know how weight loss works.

>It's a thing
It can be a thing all it wants, it's still not valid. It's like people eating fruits and thinking they're keto. Keto has taken off in popularity, and with it the stupidity of mass marketing has already poisoned the well
>It's an indication of the chemical energy that the body can extract from that food
Feel free to point to the research which actually demonstrated this in any form of life. I'll wait

>Subsidize corn to help with national economics

>Corn farming literally fucks the soil without consent.

Only about 10% of landmass in the USA is capable of sustaining indefinite corn farms.
If we scaled corn up without crop rotation and scientific breakthroughs in fertilization, we're practically ensuring a global famine at the same place we'll burn all of the oil reserves. It's like we literally want to kill our civilization.

I like your post. Just wanted to point out how dumb corn subsidization is.

>I starve myself! there for I know that it works
I eat plenty, always feel full, don't even have to work out some months, and still the pounds melt away without any effort and has for the few years I've been on this diet regardless of how many "calories" I consume

Pace* oops

T_T

Notice me, OP senpai~

Oh I absolutely agree, their reasoning for doing so was retardation incarnate and the practice of continuing it is as well. Modern agriculture is an absolute abomination and will lead to mass famine, but at this point, we don't even have enough farmers to keep producing what we do. Eventually our reliance on imports will rise and food costs will get more expensive and more will continue to get less healthy as this current model is allowed to continue

add some fiber to your diet you silly man

>You ignored the study!
>We monitored 9 obese women and 1 man and found that they lied about their intake and exercise habits
>Therefor calorie model works, awesome
That's some proof you got there

>Feel free to point to the research which actually demonstrated this in any form of life. I'll wait
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084
Are you actually illiterate? If you read the full article, they measured how much weight each person lost or gained and found it to be consistent with theoretical values derived from measured energy expenditure and calorie counts.

This is called goalpost-moving. First: it's impossible to lose weight eating shit! Then, when you're disproven, it's: but that isn't as healthy as my diet!
There's a documentary out there where the guy loses 50lbs or something eating nothing but McDonalds. You're delusional.

Again, you clearly haven't read the full article. There were 224 subjects in group 1 and 80 subjects in group 2.

>Accuses me of being illiterate
Feel free to quote where in the study you think they linked calorie to ATP
>Theoretical values derived from calorie counts
>Theoretical values
Oh, so now you agree with me that calories don't exist. Anything else you'd like to back peddle on?
>Goalpostmoving
The irony, I see you like accusing others of what you do yourself
>It's impossible to lose weight eating shift
Do elaborate on why that is, why does eating shit at a calorie deficiency not lead to weight lose if the calorie model is accurate?
>This guy lost weight eating McDonalds
You mean the one who hit the gym almost every day? Almost mystery that is
>You haven't read the observation study!
Quoted, from the link you provided
>Group 1 consisted of nine women and one man
>Group 2, subgroups of which served as controls in the various evaluations, consisted of 67 women and 13 men

>Feel free to quote where in the study you think they linked calorie to ATP
Do you know how cellular respiration works? The chemical energy in glucose molecules is released in order to convert ADP to ATP. Calories are a measure of this chemical energy; the caloric content of food is determined by adding up the chemical energy provided by each macronutrient in that food - these are well-established values calculated with biochemistry in mind. The combustion method is no longer used. This is not directly explained in the study because it's basic biology 101 and the NE Journal of Medicine is written for an audience of physicians.

>Oh, so now you agree with me that calories don't exist.
I don't believe you're stupid enough to not know what "theoretical values" are, or how they are used in science. Theoretical values are used to make calculations, like when we send astronauts to the moon. That doesn't mean the moon doesn't exist.

>why does eating shit at a calorie deficiency not lead to weight lose
It does.

Eat patatoes. It fills you up with little calories. Eat boiled patatoes with ranch, ketchup, and nothing else. Your body will adjust to a lower calorie intake. Boom solved your problem.

>Calories are a measure of this chemical energy
Yet no research exists demonstrating calorie-ATP connection, absolute none, as mentioned earlier, calories where created before ATP was even known about
>With biochemistry in mind
Biochemistry as a field largely didn't even start to exist until at least a century after the calorie model you absolute brainlet. Almost a hundred years after calories was ATP discovered
>Combustion method is no longer used
I'm aware, they don't even boil the food anymore, they just guess what a gram of each macro nutrient represents in terms of calories and slap it on food labels
>Theoretical values are used to make calculations
Do you know what real/exist means? Mathematics in general don't exist. There is no such thing as numbers, they're made up, their values are supposed to represent things which do exist. Thus my entire point throughout this thread - calories are supposed to represent things that do exist, but have never been shown to be linked to biochemistry. They've never been shown to represent anything of substance
>It does
Make up your mind
>First: it's impossible to lose weight eating shit

Don't do this, potatoes are a huge source of carbs

Wait you where thinking that the study demonstrated the cake and candy comment? It didn't even mention what they where eating user

Here is the way to lose weight:

1. Eat two or one meal a day. You can eat your 1600cal as 800 each so you can eat the food you want to eat.
2. Eat a lot of vegetables. They barely have any calories and can be used to make the volume of your meal. I like broccoli with a very light dash of seasoning sauce.
3. Cut down on the calories from DRINKS. Water is 0cal and will hydrate you without giving you a caffine addiction.
4. Eat a lot of soup. It's mostly water, but flavorful and filling.
5. Think before you eat: "Am I hungry or just bored/thirsty?" Drink some water before and during your meals and eat slowly.
6. Actually count your calories and all of them.

Well, I hope these tips are kind of useful(?) :)

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You're addicted man. I used to be like you but I decided enough was enough and quit eating so much. It was hell but 120lbs later I can tell you it was more than worth it.