Is there any point to keto except losing weight?

Ya it's good if you want to feel like shit and look like your muscles deflated.

intuition, how it has affected me, making assumptions off of what you can actually observe for yourself in nature, etc.

used to look at studies but it just feels like a joke to do now.

>look like your muscles deflated.
Why would keto affect the way your muscles look?
Cutting is almost keto-lite, increasing your fats/protein and majorly reducing carb intake. Obviously you won't enter ketosis during a normal cut but cutting doesn't make muscles look deflated so I'm wondering how keto would?

>there is no point in discussing studies. Unless you actually trust the people "researching" nutrition
They are not a hivemind my dude.

lol

The (((scientific))) community and their religion of (((scientism))) certainly do have hivemind-like tendencies.

Ok, I'm just gonna go ahead and ignore your posts then

then by all means, continue grazing like a cow

Because you've completely cut out carbs.

What does a deflated muscle look like though? Why would your muscle composition change like that? Surely once the muscle is built, so long as you keep your protein intake high and your calories at sufficient levels your muscle would stay the same with no degredation. Fair to argue that you wouldn't gain as much as you would you a high carb diet but I just don't get how reducing carbs would change your muscles.

There's a massive point in discussing studies. All you have to do is be able to read and understand studies. How they're contucted, controlled and verified and understand the difference between different study approaches.

Your post gave away that you are a fucking idiot with a tin foil hat that has no clue what the fuck you're talking about. How about actually getting your information from legit sources instead of forums and blogs? Or as you most likely would refer to it, "alternative sources".

I dunno man I'm not gonna pretend I know the science behind it. I felt like shit on keto though and my muscles looked like they were strung out because they hadn't shot up enough carbs. Why bother cutting out carbs or meat from your diet you can eat both in harmony? The middle path is always the most based.

You look flat/deflated because your glycogen deposits are fucking empty. It doesn't change the "muscle composition". How fucking dense are you? And if you've never felt the difference of being "full" and "empty" during a workout, do you even fucking lift?

Ketotards are for real worse than vegans.

>How fucking dense are you?
Pretty dense obviously, I'm not trying to prove anything I'm trying to gain some knowledge you chopsy prick. They were genuine questions.
>difference of being "full" and "empty" during a workout, do you even fucking lift?
I don't even know what this means. I've felt tired/unmotivated but never 'full' or 'empty' - are you talking about your muscles looking like shit? I get a pump every workout.
>You look flat/deflated because your glycogen deposits are fucking empty.
This was all you really needed to say

Nope, it's good at rapid weight loss but compared to a conventional low fat diet it has worse outcomes over a longer period of time. Also a higher mortality.

REMINDER: NO CARNIETARD HAS EVER POSTED THEIR BODY

post body

post body

Kek

your face get leaner too though.

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It helped me get my diabetes under control.

No, but you do not need to achieve ketosis to benefit from a low-carb diet.

I wish there was more clarity about diets for people who aren't trying to lose a ton of weight, and just want to live healthier and longer. Oh wait, there is clarity. You could just ask your doctor, and he/she will probably reccomend the Mediterranean diet.

can i eat flax seeds raw or should i do something with them before gobbling them down?

I'll just leave this here:

'Thus, we conclude that a carbohydrate-restricted diet resulted in a significant reduction in fat mass and a concomitant increase in lean body mass in normal-weight men, which may be partially mediated by the reduction in circulating insulin concentrations.'

aboutlifting.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/lowcarbmusclegain.pdf

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research is a meme and there are a million interests behind it

i used to do:
>check actual countries with long lives
>check their diet
>copy
this would be a good method, except humans are distinct and what works for a certain population may not work for others cause of different ancestry, so my philosophy now is:
>see what works better for you: clearer head, more energy during the day, better digestion
>make sure is a diet that actual traditional populations seem to follow somewhere and it works for them
>have periodical blood tests to make sure you are not ruining your arteries

there's no hivemind, just a million interests pushing in different directions none of which is in your best interest

also studying human habits is too fucking hard and costs too much money for people to invest in it unless they are trying to shill for something

how many days to get used to keto?

i tried keto and at end of 2nd/3rd day i got a bad headache and weird confusion in my brain. i then ate some carbs and feel better.

now i just count calories and try to hit macros for a normal human when i want to lose weight.

Also it doesn't account for niggers

If your muscles look deflated, they aren't really muscles. I eat low carb, and my muscles are hard.

>for a normal human
>not wanting to leave humanity behind
never gonna make it

It isn't possible to do a long term, double blind clinical trial on a diet, so the researchers have to rely on food questionnaires and extrapolate from there. The problem is, they start with bad data, they weigh it to account from other "knowns," then come to conclusions that are meaningless. This is assuming personal biases don't come into play, which they always do when it comes to something so emotional, and often political, as food.

It took me about a week, but 3 weeks is a good bet if you aren't already somewhat fat adapted through fasting or other means.

this is the mentality that leads to anti vaxxers

what were your issues during that first week? i few digestion issues aside i don't feel that bad during the day, but i've been waking up at night really sore but strangely it goes away by just having breakfast

Almost complete abstinence from carbohydrates helps some diabetics (type 2 I think) and some other people with rare diseases and food allergies/intolerances.

However being in a constant state of ketosis sounds stupid to me, and zero carb variations wll kill you eventually.

Also enjoy having literally zero endurance.

how to eat peanut butter when keto? it's annoying to just eat it with a spoon, and i don't know what to do with it except bread

>enjoy having literally zero endurance
might not be a problem for some people.. can still do low end stuff in the fat burn zone. but yeah anything higher will be a constant state of hitting the wall.
scoop it with celery? make a peanut sauce? make those fat bombs that women always jizz over?

The main point of keto is to never shut up about being on keto. When you meet someone for the first time, let them know your doing keto. If you've known someone you're whole life, and they know you're on keto because you won't shut up about keto, make sure to remind them that you're on keto. If you're completely alone, and mosquito lands on your arm and starts sucking blood, before swatting it, make sure to scream "THIS IS THE POWER OF KETO MOTHERFUCKER!"

Oh, and also make sure to also constantly complain about how vegans won't shut the fuck up about being vegans.

This is point of Keto!

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why would i talk about food with people though?

A moss-keto?

No. Too low protein for anything else

No. Too low carb for lifting weights.

Just eat more protein

What is satay?

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being a degenerate who would get sterilized in a National Socialist State is another benefit

dilate

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You have it backwards user. Original keto diet was used by anons with epilepsy. Not sure when and why it become mainstream

That picture looks tasty as toobh

>>check actual countries with long lives
>>check their diet
>>copy
Wow, what country lives on keto?

uganda

not sure if they live long lives (probably not), but there are some tribes living in sort of keto:

mongols
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_cuisine
skimos
forksoverknives.com/extreme-nutrition-the-diet-of-eskimos/#gs.zxt0kd

probably not strict keto, but probably many days of their lives end up looking like keto. also i'm guessing other nomad pastoralist tribes, but not sure. was checking Tuaregs but they seem to eat 95% of grain so looks more like the opposite of keto

some regional medieval diets in europe also had very often high-lard soups as usual meals

>skimos
Stop shilling bullshit, this is well known fact that eskimos don't live on keto.
jbc.org/content/80/2/461.full.pdf
youtube.com/watch?v=Viqm9Ona4SI
youtube.com/watch?v=b_qgUb7pJ_s
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis#Inuit_people
>Not only have researchers been unable to detect any evidence of ketosis resulting from the traditional Inuit diet, but the ratios of fatty-acid to glucose were observed at well below the generally accepted level of ketogenesis.

>mongols
Yeah, sure, guys who even drink tea with wheat added live on keto.

>skimos
Stop shilling bullshit, this is well known fact that eskimos don't live on keto.
jbc.org/content/80/2/461.full.pdf
youtube.com/watch?v=Viqm9Ona4SI
youtube.com/watch?v=b_qgUb7pJ_s
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis#Inuit_people
>Not only have researchers been unable to detect any evidence of ketosis resulting from the traditional Inuit diet, but the ratios of fatty-acid to glucose were observed at well below the generally accepted level of ketogenesis.

>mongols
Yeah, sure, guys who even drink tea with wheat added live on keto.

maybe you are right, but i'd be suspicious about scientists studying modern cucked skimos as if they were trad in any sense

something happened with internet, lmao

>I dont believe scientists but you should believe my thoughts from ass

it's just food dude, cheer up, eat whatever, i'm not your mom

At first ketards act like this
>KETO IS THE ONLY WAY FOR HEALTHY LIVING!!!!!
but after some links to studies they like
>I don't believe studies, in the end of the day it's just food, relax bro just be yourself

dude calm down, you are making a scene