Do you really need to lift to be masculine?

do you really need to lift to be masculine?

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Nah ive never lifted my whole life and im ripped as fuck. ITS ALL ABOUT DEM GOOD GENES HOMIE

Being masculine isn't a checklist.

if you consider what will/wont make you masculine, youve already failed. actual masculine men arent that insecure, theyre just naturally masculine without intention

part of being masculine is being physically fit
in the old days this was because you spent all day hunting/farming/building things, basically doing manual labor
so your choice is lifting 1-2 hrs a day or 12 hrs/day of manual labor

Go research the subject. There's masculinity, then there's the Hollywood trope, cartoon character version of masculinity used to sell beer and razors. Try reading "The way of men" by Jack donovan, it's very short and you'll find an ebook of it easy.

That guy definitely does.

do you need to look like a fag with tatoos and buy a motorcycle to look masculine?

Gay

I can see my bones! I must be ripped!


Or your a nigger, which is worse

it helps

In some circles, yes.

lifting is preferable but optionable

Only work if you have dark features and naturally masculine face

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No but it helps, and if you’re a big pussy then you should just lift and not find excuses

Being strong helps, what doesn't help is buying what your told is masculine.

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>razors
real men grow beards

Tattoos are masculine and badass but you should not be getting them with that idea in mind or it is quite nu-male which is not masculine

just eat a damn cheeseburger

I doubt he could lift that bike off the ground if it fell over.

Masculinity is about being self-assured and confident, with a sense of integrity and responsibility to those who rely on you. The reason why modern men typically look embarrassing when they eat a steak or grow a beard is because they’re doing these things for validation and not purely for themselves.

The most masculine men are fit from their professions and skills, not lifting in a gym

i remember him being more impressive than that... damn

now he looks dyel

is that body dysmorphia?

No it's a shift in social beats standards

Beauty*

No, he was dyel all along

>twink with Jesus hair and hipster tats on a bike

Yes. Yes you do.

No, you need to get boomer tats and ride a boomerbike.

Sure they do pal...

>twink
fuck off with this homo subculture slang, fag

>t. cant grow a beard

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honestly you are masculine or you are not. all this muhh real man shit is joke. i look kinda twinkish but proud. idgaf man

post body

I have a beard, and long hair.

Chinlets too. Grow a mustache or grow a beard like Lemmy

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Being strong is a trait women don't have unless they destroy their body with truckloads of roids to get on a level a guy can get naturally after 5 years of consistent lifting.
So ye, you maybe don't need to lift, but you need to be strong enough to protect your property and your family.

>I don't lift and I'm ripped as fuck!
Just because you're a twink and your low bodyfat makes your muscles more visible doesn't mean your ripped. Post body skellfag

cope

Thanks for the blackpill virgin dyel.

It would be if you took everything about it and listed it. It'd be convenient too because you'd see that discouraging development isn't on it.

its the complete opposite of a "blackpill". Im telling you to work on your insecurity instead of gimmicks you think make you "manly"

based and gloriouspilled

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>do you really need to lift to be masculine?
If lifting is what matters to you, then yes.

ehh.. he's not really big, he's definitelly fit, lean and has proportionally big arms

Name one masculine man who doesn't.

There is no way could your post be interpreted to mean that. It definotely says fuck you for trying because real men are just born that way.
But even if I give you the benefit of the doubt, 'work on your insecurity' is incredibly vague and needs actionable steps, like the one you wrote off where you lift weights.

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theres no such thing as being a "real man" and obsessing over being manly is the problem. lifting weights is obviously good for you, but if you want it to make you "manly" youre fucked. you need to fix your perspective on life

Lifting makes you a more masculine version of yourself.

Not necessarily, but it helps. A big part of masculinity is doing things not because you want to, or because it feels good, but because it has to be done for the greater good. For youself, and for the ones that depend on you.

Not that guy, but I empathise with you. Insecurity is fuelled by being judged negatively by people, and it's a feedback loop, the more insecure you are the more you'll be judged.

You'll even be judged for lifting weights, because it doesnt matter how hard you try, in fact people will laugh at you for trying, much like that other guy was saying, "a masculine guy doesnt have to try". All that matters in the dominance hierarchy is where you are now, today.

On the other hand, if you want improve, all that matters is how much better you are tomorrow. That's the problem. The road to becoming "masculine" is a very humiliating, unmasculine journey full of mistakes. But if you do nothing, its never going to get better, your life now is all you will ever have until you die.

>Insecurity is fuelled by being judged negatively by people
thats entirely in your head. no one gives a shit
>All that matters in the dominance hierarchy
that wasnt the point of my post at all. theres no such thing as a "dominance hierarchy". you need to stop obsessing over this shit and do things because theyre good for you, not because of some made up bull shit. thats the way to be mentally healthy and sucessful

Right I'd define masculinity as adhering to your ideals and doing things that objectively advance them.

>thats entirely in your head
No shit. But it's hardcoded in our heads to think that way
>you need to stop obsessing over this shit and do things because theyre good for you
That's basically what my point is if you actually read it

You need to be strong to be masculine. For most of us working desk jobs that means lifting, but anyone doing sports or a physical job doesn't need to lift. No skinny weakling is masculine no matter how confident they are or how nice their beard is

>No shit. But it's hardcoded in our heads to think that way
no its not. normal people dont think that way
>That's basically what my point is if you actually read it
no its not. you said "The road to becoming "masculine"". the fact your goal is being "masculine" shows your not doing things because of their direct value, but because they further some imaginary concept based on insecurity

Normal people aren't self aware of the dominance hierarchy. Normal people are bullies, or cowardly, or confident, or shy. They're part of the dominance system, they aren't aware of it

I used the word "masculine" in quotes cos that was OP's question and it depends on how you define masculine. I would define it as being the best man you can be. All words are imaginary concepts, you ape

normal people arent aware of the dominance hierarchy because it doesnt exist

It doesn't really matter how you start, it's where you end up. I started lifting for retarded reasons but I became way more masculine as a result. Walking around knowing you're stronger than 95% of people changes your perspective of the world.

Prove it

This. One i saw a fatso fall over their harley. I went to help him otherwise he couldn't.
It was shameful

>lifting weights for health
>crying insecurity when one does it for masculine development
Hard pass on that perspective. I lift weights because it's difficult and I need challenge to grow. I like that it makes me so masculine that others have to reject the concept entirely to cope.