/fraud/ general

cool retard

>if you're a rapid aromatiser you don't want to end up with excess water retention(which in the long term is bad)
can you explain this some more? i thought some retention was expected on test e

Test would improve your dick function

DESU 500mg really could be more than you need. Start with 300mg for a few weeks and see how you feel

You're a retard

how much of after-pinning muscle pain is in my head? i stick myself 2x/week and it seems like the muscle will hurt JUST long enough to where i pin another muscle...

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How can I improve this cycle.
Weeks 1-12 every 3.5 days
400mg t400
100mg tren e

Week 1-6:
Anavar 50mg a day.

Week 1-12
Aromasin every day.

Week 16-17
Nolva 20mg every day

Week 18-19
Nolva 40mg every day

Week 1-26
2mg of gh every half day

>Aromasin every day
Why?

Get bloods, it's the only way to properly dose AI.

Being under E2 is as bad or worse than over, except you won't get gyno.

yikes

Any practicing Catholic frauds? How do you justify it on religious grounds? What does your priest say?

Post an after cycle update please, love seeing people who run retarded cycles crash and burn

Surely your priest helps you pin glutes / vgs.
Mine loves sticking objects in my bum

>Get bloods, it's the only way to properly dose AI.
How? Was there some math equation in the wiki that says " if E = 100 take 2 pills a day"?

Literally what does the Bible say in relation to it? As a Baptist I'm pretty sure I'm supposed to perma-bulk

Well the goal of Catholicism is to purify yourself of worldly desires and sinful attributes (like vanity, greed, selfishness etc) so that you can grow closer to God. As far as I can tell frauding falls into sinfulness, but I would be open to hearing reasoning from other Catholics who have reconciled this in their own faith life

>shooting yourself with needles because God fucked you over in the genetics department

might as well rename your general to /ShootUp/, fucking junkies

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I’m straight

>going off cycle
>wish it were time to cycle again
Anyone else know this feel?

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Just permablast breh.

Depends on why. If you genuinely believe you have to get stronger at any cost to serve God or save your loved ones for whatever reason, then go for it. If you just want to get bigger and stronger to mog people, because you can, because you want to look a certain way, and then yeah you're just being a degenerate and arguably a sinner. Then again, it's not like you're hurting anyone either. The lord helps those who help themselves, so help yourself get swole? By injecting man juice into your ass regularly... I think catholics have a rule about that too but I'm no expert.

Did you even go to Mass last weekend? Jesus eats with the sinners not the saints! The bigger the sinner, the bigger the payload when you repent.

no because 90% of us haven't started yet

Sounds like bad technique, dirty gear, a reaction to a compound in the juice, or that you're prone to PIP. Most guys never get PIP, especially if they're pinning just test. Describe the pain, bucko.
Please do not run this cycle, and go to old.reddit.com/r/steroids and read the wiki instead. Will save you a lot of trouble in the end.

that sort of goes out the window once you have knowledge of the truth. If you know that it is sinful and continue to do it anyway because "you can repent later", you are guilty of Presumption and probably don't have true contrition.

>Yo dawg, we heard you liked neurotic guilt, so we added some neurotic guilt to your neurotic guilt, so you can neurotically guilt while you're feeling guiltily neurotic.
Go somewhere else with your 95 IQ religion

>Describe the pain, bucko.
feels like doms, the muscle is sore if i've been sitting down, fine if i move a bit. i inject in my quads(which get doms regularly...) because i don't have help to inject. i'm using a 26g 1.5" needle and i go in all the way because i'm kind of fat

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There is indeed a fine line between being scrupulous (obsessing over whether or not something is a sin) and merely discerning. The whole point is that you will never be perfect and will never completely overcome sin in this life, but by trying to walk the true Dharma you will live a good life and grow close to God, and look on his face in the afterlife.

if you get PIP like the muscle is difficult to move, I would suggest different supply. Could be dirty gear, could be wrong technique causing bruising (too large a needle).

I am one.

I justify it because making myself as strong as possible to be a bulwark of my community. It isn't meth you're doing, senpai. I also have boneitis so it helps build up my bone density.

Interesting, I'm curious
1. do people around you know you are using or do they assume you are natural? Do you tell the truth?
2. have you discussed it with a priest?
not trying to guilt you or nag, i'm a recent convert and am considering going on test.

I don't suppose the skin on your leg gets red, you have a bump, etc? Non-eventful, except for the pain?
At some point you have to realize that your understanding of what constitutes a sin has been shaped by generations of men with ulterior agendas, or sources of torment and guilt that do not apply to you. To unironically quote Aquinas, the fish does not know he is wet. It would seem to squander God's greatest gift by not living your life to the best of your abilities, provided you are not hurting others or yourself.

This is true, and I'm more of a Platonist than a Thomist. Still, my main concern is "can I receive the Eucharist in good conscience while taking exogenous, illegally-purchased testosterone to make my muscles grow"

1.I'm so DYEL it fucking hurts. I think it's a combination of never being able to put my shit together long enough to actually make gains, bad diet, and a wicked porn addiction I've only recently been able to kick. I've told everyone in my life, they understand. I guess it might help that I'm both DYEL and have the boneitis.

2. No. I'm not sure there's reason to do so. I don't have any doubt in my mind whether or not what I'm doing is healthy for me. If I was pushing the limits of human possibility for vanity, maybe then not. Even then, I'm just catching up the testosterone that our current generation doesn't get (the 50%+ decline in serum t levels since the 70s).

If I may ask, a convert from what? I'm an Orthodox convert.

I was a militant atheist

Lol is that you runegoon

That is a fair question, nothing is inherently wrong about the action, it likely has to do with your motivation. Pure narcissistic vanity seems inherently bad, but I feel a lot of roiders/bodybuilders are trying to flee something rather than achieve "Godlihood", if I am explaining myself correctly. Is it okay if you hate your weak self?
Why do you want to go on test- do you have bloodwork demonstrating you have below 'normal' amounts?
>Even then, I'm just catching up the testosterone that our current generation doesn't get (the 50%+ decline in serum t levels since the 70s).
Wheymen.

retard

I have symptoms of low-T and barely-normal levels (290 ng/dl). I have trained for 6 years and have not had as good of results as my friends who have been less consistent. I have personally trained people who only lifted 2x a week and beat my PRs in under a year. My PRs are 200/290/425/515 at 220lbs. My physique sucks, which has hurt my career as a fitness pro (though I’m making plenty to get by).

Mostly I just want to feel the desire to get out of bed in the morning desu

But I would be dishonest not to admit that there’s some vanity there. I want to be bigger and stronger, to feel like a super hero and to crush people’s expectations. All of these are sinful desires as far as I can tell, for myself anyway.

> (You)
>retard
Amazingly insightful
>290
>Mostly I just want to feel the desire to get out of bed in the morning desu
I mean, this is a no-brainer. You probably don't even need to cycle to get benefit from chinese bathtub chemicals
>But I would be dishonest not to admit that there’s some vanity there. I want to be bigger and stronger, to feel like a super hero and to crush people’s expectations. All of these are sinful desires as far as I can tell, for myself anyway.
Here's the problem, and where Catholic psychology falls short, and it's that Catholic thinking stopped progressing past mid-1800's neuroticism. The personality traits you're describing are classic "narcissism", which has a deeper psychoanalytic meaning, not just the metaphor for someone obsessed with their image.
Let me explain the danger: you want to impress people you really don't even care about, hoping that their admiration will fill the void in yourself. From your talks of porn addition, etc., it does seem you have some demons you are struggling with, and you are half-hoping that steroids will keep you from having to face your deepest fears/desires (which may be the same exact thing).

Anyone expierence anxiety/panic attacks from high e2?

>Non-eventful, except for the pain?
pretty much. can't find the spot the next day. might be a drop or two of blood after i remove the needle.

can injecting too far into a muscle even with a thin needle do damage?

Something does not seem normal here, I would recommend you try posting at the reddit steroid wiki, seems like we're more interested in theology than roidology atm.
Actually more common with low E2, desu.

So i'm almost 4 weeks into my first cycle of 500mg test e, and the only thing i've noticed is my mood improving and my balls are slightly smaller. Did I get bunk gear?

Hello lads I’m on perma cruise 250mg. Anything else I could add that will help with beard growth? Idk if Tren is worth it cause I obviously can’t run it forever so I’m wondering if the androgenic effects will last or not

Minoxidil

4 weeks is when you should be getting stronger. any improvement in your routine? what's your routine?

How does one fall down the rabbithole to even get roids? I'm natty and pretty small but still the biggest guy in my small hole in the wall gym.

Well now that you say that, I have noticed that weights are starting to feel lighter during my volume days which usually are hard for me.

As for my routine it's a dead lift day, pressing, squats, and another pressing day.

I know I shouldn't expect to blow up in size but I'm just curious because I don't feel much of anything.

yea most people who do more than test-e say they didn't feel super-great on just that, it takes more drugs to feel good

try lsd

74kg
110kg deadlift x 3
100kg squat x 3
40kg press x3
11 weeks in
Should I just give up and roid? I'm sick of being weak

>11 weeks in
...you've only been lifting for 11 weeks?

Yes; /sp/ says I should be nearing 1/2/3/4 by now

You're already big and strong. Cycling takes it's toll on your health in several ways. Been there done that.

The nut shrinkage is a golden sign, same with mood.

I find the biggest difference with roids is that they help me recover and keep at much longer workouts, like GVT.

You may also be slightly bloated

depends on the person. many, like >2
have low hormones and hope to get to their natty limit sooner or push thru it to a new level they can maintain. others who blast-and-cruise find it doesn't do much harm to them right now so they just try to be their best.
how tall are you? i got similar stats but have been lifting for 8 years.

bump

Tell me why I shouldn't just cycle to take my body up to natty limits, and then never do it again.

Didn't feel any different my first time. Thought i got scammed, until bloods came back at 3000ng/dl

Literally just google it

Eat food

Do it. But i doubt you'll only do one cycle. You'll be back for more once you realize how much of a chore natty lifting is

>don’t take AIs bro, you don’t need them
>huh, why do I have gyno?

>a reaction to a compound in the juice
mfw the last test i bought has bad ratios and it's painful going in aswell as the pip. the source went mia a few months after i recieved my pack and left a lot of people without their orders
only 1.5 vials left of the 5 i bought, almost over this pain

> Idk if Tren is worth it cause I obviously can’t run it forever
where did you read these lies

post body

Doing roids for the first time in 5 years, rate my cycle. Also considering taking up weightlifting again srs this time.

750mg test E EW
700mg tren A EW

Wanna go from untrained skinnyfat 80kg to hot muscleguy 90kg+

I have trained yesterday for the second time this week, gonna start with a 6-day split.

I have some test and tren and deca lying around allready, going to consider jumping on it before my order arrives soon. I'm looking to get some decent results in 2 months tops. Who wants me to trip and blog my journey here?

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a little over 1 week running the shittiest cheapest gh obtainable, along with bpc 157
so far i've noticed tiredness after pinning, i have an occasional nap right afterwards, even if i just woke up recently
also noticed my arms falling asleep more

you sound like just the type of person for fraud, throw in some gh and insulin also. keep us updated on your progress, wanna see how thick/solid/tight you can get
is the gear that's been laying around 5 years old?

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not quite, its two years old, bet its still kickin'

>My physique sucks, which has hurt my career as a fitness pro. Mostly I just want to feel the desire to get out of bed in the morning desu

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I hope this is bait

>trip

No

>blogpost

Yes, but only if you include the dark side too (aka coming off)

I can assure you it is not. First time I was on was when I was 17, now I'm 25 and I'm well past the brain growing adult shit. Noone can stope me now. My plates are fused in place and there is absolutely no risk.

Spinach chemisty
>the administered supplement has been tested for the absence of anabolic steroid contaminations prior to administration. Significantly higher increases in muscle mass were observed in those participants that were dosed with ecdysterone. The same hypertrophic effects were also detected in vitro in C2C12 myotubes. Even more relevant with respect to sports performance, significantly more pronounced increases in one-repetition bench press performance were observed. No increase in biomarkers for liver or kidney toxicity was noticed. These data underline the effectivity of an ecdysterone supplementation with respect to sports performance. Our results strongly suggest the inclusion of ecdysterone in the list of prohibited substances and methods in sports in class S1.2 "other anabolic agents".
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31123801

It's legal and it allegedly works, allegedly without side effects. Allegedly also abused by soviets for olympic performers in the 80s. Anyone have any experience?

I’m 6’5”

what were their dosages?

I believe the soviets did 500mg per 40lb but I’m not sure about the study

I bought the paper.

>ABSTRACT: Increasing numbers of dietary supplements with ecdysteroids are marketed as “natural anabolic
agents”. Results of recent studies suggested that their anabolic effect is mediated by estrogen receptor (ER)
binding. Within this study the anabolic potency of ecdysterone was compared to well characterized anabolic
substances. Effects on the fiber sizes of the soleus muscle in rats as well the diameter of C2C12 derived myotubes
were used as biological readouts. Ecdysterone exhibited a strong hypertrophic effect on the fiber size of rat
soleus muscle that was found even stronger compared to the test compounds metandienone (dianabol),
estradienedione (trenbolox), and SARM S 1, all administered in the same dose (5 mg/kg body weight, for 21
days). In C2C12 myotubes ecdysterone (1 µM) induced a significant increase of the diameter comparable to
dihydrotestosterone (1 µM) and IGF 1 (1.3 nM). Molecular docking experiments supported the ERβ mediated
action of ecdysterone. To clarify its status in sports, ecdysterone should be considered to be included in the
class “S1.2 Other Anabolic Agents” of the list of prohibited substances of the World Anti-Doping Agency.

>CONCLUSIONS
An anabolic activity of ecdysterone was clearly confirmed by our
investigation. The anabolic potency of the ecdysterone was comparable or even higher as found for the anabolic androgenic steroids,
SARMs or IGF-1. Moreover in-silico docking experiments support
the postulated non-androgenic mechanism of ecdysterone. More
likely and in agreement to the experimental data anabolic activity of
ecdysterone is mediated via binding to the ER particularly ER beta.
With respect to doping prevention the high anabolic potency of ecdysterone justifies its classification as an anabolic agent and therefore
needs to be listed in the category “S1 Anabolic Agents” of the list of
prohibited substances of the World Anti-Doping Agency

So if they wanna ban id with WADA then it basically must be some effective shit.

Article where they state that they just thre in some pills on some people and not actually the dosage, but 250mg/day

>Professor Parr further explained that the low dose of two pills per day, which they used for some of the participants in the experiment, would amount to anywhere between 250 grams and four kilograms of spinach per day, depending on the variety and harvesting of the plant. A person would have to eat that amount every day over the course of 10 weeks in order to consume the same amount as one of the "low-dose athletes" in the study. In order to consume the same level as those administered high doses, a person would have to eat between one to 16 kilograms of spinach, she explained.

Sauc: medicalxpress.com/news/2019-07-spinach-athletic.html

nvm, 250 grams

6'4/225
Been bulking for a while, and will be for a few more months too. I'd need to cut and get rid of a fair bit of fat before I even think of actually doing a cycle. It was just a thought.

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you look like a regular nonlifter, gear won't do shit since you have no existing muscle mass and even if you did it still takes a lot of time on gear to achieve "natty limit" which is the body you can get after 10-15 years of solid lifting and dieting as a natty

where did the tripfags go

So which ecdysterone pulls should I buy?

Yeah, unfortunately I agree. I've bulked up around 100 pounds and I still don't look like I'm lifting. I look a hell of a lot better, and sure I feel better, but I kinda look like a regular dude now. I guess that's a good thing, because I was too small to look like a regular dude before. I was hoping gear would kind of speed of the process. After I'm done bulking in a few months and start cutting, maybe I'll look like I lift.

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Banned

for what, excessive faggotry?

Hello lads. I accidentally crashed my E and now my joints are fucked beyond belief.

How do I fix this? Gonna try bpc 157 and creatine but I’m too poor for HGH

Crashed with what AI? Either way, you'll just have to wait for e2 to rebound. Unless you feel like sourcing and injecting some directly lmao

Arimidex lmao that was literally a year ago and my knees are still shot. Got x rays and cartilage is fine but I have a calcification in the patellar tendon caused by crashing my e. Praying bpc works or I might rope.

Basketball is my life and I can’t even play anymore lmao

nevermind

it's not because of your "crashed estrogen" my dude. you just fucked your joints.