Kratom

>What does Jow Forums think about kratom?

I think it's an agonist of the opioid receptor. Opioids downregulate the HTPA therefore significantly suppressing testosterone production.

When you take kratom, take a small dose of naltrexone with it to competitively blockade the opioid receptors in order to preserve testosterone levels for muscle gains in the gym.

Poor mans Phenibut

Phenibut has lost its magic for me, should I try Kratom?

This nigga got green tea

I ordered it from one of the "reputable dealers" that everyone uses, maybe I just got a bad batch

This guy is a moron. There are no studies showing that opiates across the board decrease test. Some opiates have been shown to increase test.
Taking naltrexone would completely defeat the purpose of taking the kratom.

stfu you stupid fuck kratom is much more expensive than pheni. It's a fucking money sink if you are addicted.

My kratom withdrawals are weird. If I take for a few days I've noticed that I'll have a day or two where I just think and cry about things. It seems to fuck with my emotional level in odd ways. Im thinking of picking some up for the sexual arousal effects next week but I would only take kratom once every couple of weeks at this point.

Obviously, the content of the agent varies from batch to batch, since it is natural product.

Got any recommendations? I'll have to try it again. I have lost the magic with Phenibut though, do they work on the same receptors/will it ruin Kratom for me?

I lack motivation in most everything I do in life outside of playing video games.
I pretty much just do shit I don't want because I know it's what's best for me.
I probably should see a therapist

I use 3g in the morning and 3g at night.

I no longer have any desire to drink alcohol and currently do not use any other drugs, not even pot.

I gives me a very small euphoric sensation enough to get me out the door and on my way to work.

I originally only used it for the boost of energy, but I tweaked my back doing pendlay rows, and the 3g is enough to numb the pain until it heals.

I personally enjoy it, but just don't go overboard dosing every few hours to keep the euphoria.

It made me super irritable and gave me a seizure. I wouldn’t recommend it

It's $70 a kilogram if you're not a retard. A dose is around 4 g. How much of a pathetic junkie are you?

70$ kilo from indo. I'm not trying to get arrested from importing drugs to my country thanks.

>A dose is around 4 g

After a week of use you will lose all the euphoric effects from that dose you noob

Before I order, I read a kratom forum where users share their experiences with batches and shops.

makes me feel uplifted, yet sleepy af

I really like the "kratom hug", that warm, fuzzy feeling you get when it starts kicking in. Sometimes I'll take it if I need to be social or whatever. Haven't tried lifting with it, and I take it very sparingly so I don't get the constipation issues. Some guys I know are on this shit all day every day though, rotating strains and shit. Drinking it mixed in water and taking sips, instead of doing the "toss 'n wash" method. I can see how you get dependent on this stuff.

Just do once a day and just know it'll just better if you just wait till the next day to do it again. To be so weak willed you have to take it every 3 hours, it's so gross it basically regulates itself, I don't see how someone could be so weak to abuse it like that. I didn't want to do anything today, took a spoonful and now I'm going off to the gym with no found motivation.

Was addicted to it for about a year. Gave me ed, lowered test, constipated, slept like shit, felt weak and feminine. Really really enjoyed the mild high tho and it helped me quit real opiates.
Shits a crutch bro and all those things I listed will happen to you eventually. You might be able to fuck like a pornstar at first but after 4-5 months of daily high amounts you won’t be able to get a hard dick.

STOP TAKING KRATOM, SARMS, NOOTROPICS AND PHENIBUT YOU STUPID FUCKING RETARDS

Completely fucked up one of my friends after he took it for more than a few month. Quit while you're ahead bros.

Don't start relying on opiates. I used various opiates for years always chipping and told myself there was no way I would get hooked, then a bunch of traumatic shit happened in my life and now I've got a massive habit which is expensive to maintain and I can't try to quit because of how busy I am with grad school. It will sneak up on you and never let go.

On the plus side it does seem to help with lifting and I don't have many low T symptoms yet probably because I'm disciplined with my gym routine

t.junkie

>This guy is a moron. There are no studies showing that opiates across the board decrease test.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25702934

Testosterone suppression in opioid users: a systematic review and meta-analysis.

BACKGROUND:
Whether used for pain management or recreation, opioids have a number of adverse effects including hormonal imbalances. These imbalances have been reported to primarily involve testosterone and affect both males and females to the point of interfering with successful treatment and recovery. We conducted a systematic review and meta-analysis to determine the extent that opioids affect testosterone levels in both men and women, which may be relevant to improved treatment outcomes for opioid dependence and for pain management.

METHODS:
We searched PubMed, EMBASE, PsycINFO, and CINAHL for relevant articles and included studies that examined testosterone levels in men and women while on opioids. Data collection was completed in duplicate.

RESULTS:
Seventeen studies with 2769 participants (800 opioid users and 1969 controls) fulfilled the review inclusion criteria; 10 studies were cross-sectional and seven were cohort studies. Results showed a significant difference in mean testosterone level in men with opioid use compared to controls (MD=-164.78; 95% CI: -245.47, -84.08; p

>This guy is a moron. There are no studies showing that opiates across the board decrease test. Some opiates have been shown to increase test.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5858613/

Abstract
Background. Kratom is a drug derived from the leaves of the tree Mitragyna speciose, which is native to southern Thailand. The route of administration is oral. Kratom has become increasingly available in the United States. The active ingredients in the drug bind the opioid mu-receptor; therefore, kratom has similar physiological effects as mu-opioids. Elevated prolactin is a common medical condition frequently caused by a variety drugs, including opioids. Case Report. A 42-year-old man presented with poor energy and low libido. He had mildly elevated serum prolactin with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism as evidenced by low serum testosterone with luteinizing hormone and follicle-stimulating hormone in the normal range. At his initial visit, he reported no use of any recreational or therapeutic drug. Two months later when seen in follow-up, both the testosterone and prolactin levels had returned to normal. At that visit he reported frequent use of kratom, which he had discontinued a few days after the first visit. Discussion. Kratom is now widely available in health food stores and online and is considered an emerging drug of abuse. At present kratom is legal in the United States, but recently the Drug Enforcement Administration served noticed of its intention of making kratom a Schedule I drug. A number of adverse events or side effects have been reported, but this is the first report of hyperprolactinemia as the result of ingestion of kratom.

reddit.com/r/kratom/comments/80eu4y/just_a_friendly_warning_about_kratom_and/

>Taking naltrexone would completely defeat the purpose of taking the kratom.

Jow Forumswhoosh

That's the point you low test opioid addled fuck.

Just a reminder that kratom will turn you into a soiboi low test faggot.
Imagine someone into Jow Forums and building muscle wanting to lower testosterone and raise prolactin on purpose.

>has opioid properties
Fuck off druggie

Kraom helped me curb my appetite. After being BMI 30 for two decades I went down to 24 in 5 months. I was on Kratom the whole time. I'm off it now, and Kratom withdrawls are the mildest of any opioid.

That said it was a pretty expensive habit and I was using way too much by the end of it. 100 grams every three days. I wish I could have just done it on my own. But it helped me recalibrate my appetite and I can't help but be grateful for that. I got stuck at BMI 24 for two months after going off, but I didn't regain the weight. And now I'm losing gain. Got about 17 more pounds to go before I'm at 21.

If it helps, use it. If you're not seeing results, discontinue before it becomes a habit.

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>Was addicted to it for about a year. Gave me ed, lowered test, constipated, slept like shit, felt weak and feminine. Really really enjoyed the mild high tho and it helped me quit real opiates.

Who would have though kratom, an opioid receptor agonist, would have exactly the same sides as opiates such as low test and constipation.

Wow, you straight edge faggots are pathetic. Imagine doing everything you possibly can to get some shitty insignificant bump to your T levels and still be a small, whiny, DYEL bitch boy. Meanwhile I'll smoke, drink, abuse drugs, and still mog the shit out of you and fuck the girls that you're too scared to even jerk off to.
Fucking loser.

>take kratom
>feel mellow
>feel kind of drunkish
>not a good kind of drunk though
>like a mix between a mild hangover and being slightly buzzed
>get depressed
>get actual hangover, this however is also pretty mild

Yeah, Kratom is fucking trash

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What if I'm on trt already?

This entire fucking thread

imagine posting this LOL

Then kratom won't affect your test levels as you are taking testosterone from an external source.
But you might get the other sides of opioids like constipation.

say that to me irl kid... you have no FUCKING idea how bad id break ur neck... im 290 lbs 13% bfat... watch yourself kid ill fucking beat you..

Uhh either you're a fucking lardass or you're going to die

>But you might get the other sides of opioids like constipation.
I had wicked diarrhea for the five months I was on it. Any opiate constipation is counteracted by the fact that you're consuming tablespoons of insoluble fiber.

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I take kratom before I have sex and its great for that. However as it is habit forming I'll take no more than that. So once every week or two reaps me the benefits without taking on the risks

It's an opioid. Very useful for getting clean, provided it doesn't give you migraines from hell like it does for me.
Stay safe.
Phenibut and kratom act on different receptors.

Anyone know a good website to buy it? I'd like the strongest possible/best deal

i go through 16 oz in about 2 weeks do the math nerd

i learned about it after depression hit hard from some tramautic shit, stopped lifting for a year and i became a big druggie now i use it once every week just as a preworkout or post depending on how im feeling, then i go str8 to coffee the rest of the week IF i need it

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btw, inb4 "THE DANGERS OF KRATO-"

>drink lots of water and stay hydrated on that shit
>anything in EXCESS is WRONG and will lead u to auto failure big time

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