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I've been a borderline alchoholic for 14 years. I've been sober for two weeks and I've been in the gym twice every day. I don't even know what to do with all the energy I have every day and I wake up at 6am without an alarm clock.

How do you even become an alcoholic? I once drank 3 nights in a row and felt absolutely fucking disgusting after. Doesn’t seem like an addictive thing.

>Stopped smoking pot at the start of September
>wild fucking dreams every night

Shit is getting exhausting

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It's genetic, it's like a switch in your brain that gets turned on once you drink. The porn analogy is pretty spot on. Or imagine having to take a raging piss at all times of day and the only relief is having a drink.

same situation bro, i stopped smoking late august and my dreams are so fucking vivid and wild that it's actually effecting my sleep. i had to get melatonin just to help me stay asleep through the night and it doesnt even always work.

>when you have vivid dreams about your ex or horrific nightmares
Makes me want to smoke again just to not dream

it's been a couple weeks already im wondering when/if i'll adjust to dreaming again. it's really getting out of control. i woke up at 4am last night from a nightmare and had trouble getting back to sleep. it's pissing me off because im sure its fucking with my gains.

22 and never had a drink, i regret nothing. T levels off the charts. life is good

I read it falls off after 2-3 weeks, but
>late august
I don't know man. On the plus side
>had a super vivid dream the wife let me play with and suck on her titties in public last night
was pretty cash

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had a couple super vivid sex dreams which were def cash money but for the most part their vivid and wild af.

Stopped smoking weed and drinking to save money really, but my stomach is leaning out and last night I had a cool dream about being a detective so maybe this sober thing ain't so bad.

>smoked pot like 3 times in 2 days almost exactly one year ago
>since then I can always remember my dreams (which are mostly nightmares)
>last night had a dream where it was pitch black in my house but could hear rustling
>had my pistol up slowly scanning the area
>fucking obnoxious loud sound happens like a tornado siren, so loud it's deafening my scream
>woken up by my brother who said i was screaming
>had another dream where my friends and I went into separate elevators
>my elevator starts plummeting to the ground, everyone is screaming
>we don't die, we stop falling so hard, run outside
>other elevator door opens, just mangled bodies of my friends
>have had violent dreams in the past, ones where i was even stabbing people

What the fuck happened man

Ok there's a difference between a few drinks on the weekend to get in a chicks pants and working a trade where you're buying bud ice from the run down gas station nightly retard

Alcohol is truly horrible for you both physically and mentally, and I say this as an alcoholic about 9 drinks into to his regular friday night routine. Tons of calories on top of that it damages your liver, your circulation, your mood, just not worth it.

Holy shit that stung user! Even got the brand of beer right.
How are you so spot on?

The bible also says give wine to those of heavy heart proverb 31:6, and holy fuck was I heavy when I drank a lot.

Down 80 lbs in a year after slowing down, haven't drank in 4 months and losing it faster than ever.

I don't know
>dream where I was watching a movie that included my dog getting killed with a shovel
>dream where I watched a family rip apart one of their kids with their bare hands

I'm not a fan, but it's not nearly as bad as the night terrors I get when I'm super stressed, so it's mostly whatever in terms of fucking up my night's sleep at least

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Alcoholic here and can confirm

at my worst I was drinking a 1.14L bottle of whisky everyday for 3 years

3 nights? Lol try every afternoon until passing out at night for 8 years

I'm there with you but it's only been 3 years in my case

I've been dry for three years come October

Feels good bros

Based. Keep it up bro

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How did you guys quit?

I havent yet but I managed to cut down to weekends only but now I am usually drunk from Friday until Sunday

I can't function at work due to bad hangovers now so I dont drink through the week anymore plus now every time I drink I end up doing coke so it's not affordable to drink daily anymore either

You still missed the point, don't take everything personally. Having a few drinks on the weekend isn't the same as drinking nightly.

Fuck man i was there! Almost exactly what said.
You have to stop completely, it takes about 6 months but i swear your life is infinitely more enjoyable and with while if you stop.
I sincerely hope you make a change user!

Different user than the guy you were replying to.
You fucking gave me a wake up call. Thanks.

I'm one of those guys who can't stop once he's started, but I can stop myself from starting. I only drink one a week or fortnight, socially. Always take it too far though...

>I'm one of those guys who can't stop once he's started, but I can stop myself from starting.
literally the same for me

Your first mistake is believing that half the reason I lift isn't so I can eat like I'm fat every day.

My advice is to stop now while you still can go extended periods of time and not crave it.
I was the same way but after awhile it got so bad i lost jobs and got DUI's
Quit while can, before that switch (if you have it) in your brain says you can't live without it

I don't really drink anymore except occasionally like no holidays or my birthday. I was bad before though drinking about a 750ml or whiskey or more a night at my worst also lost jobs because of it, no dui's thankfully. when I do drink now I make sure that I only buy a couple nips or a small 1/2 size bottle ensuring I don't have too much to drink available. I will say though that anyone struggling I found kava kava very helpful when i first quit to get over the cravings/anxiety, etc and also used valerian root extract with melatonin and gaba to sleep.

Same. I stopped smoking when my classes started, having dreams again is a mixed blessing.

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So you purge 2-3 times a year? This worked for me for about 2 years until I spent a week after my birthday one time getting so hammered I faceplanted off the stool in 3 bars within a month. Luckily not arrested, my point is be careful.

How do you weed fags even enjoy smoking? Literally everytime I've smoked weed (I'm 30 and have smoked more times than i can count) I get so anxious i flip shit and pace around my house for hours and so nauseous i throw up everytime.
What is the appeal for people who love it? What does it do for you?

>Even if you don’t believe in God there are plenty of scientific studies that show alcohol gives you bad gyno and decreases cognitive ability. You shouldn’t treat your body like a toilet.
Can you post a few of them then?

Nigga it's basically common knowledge at this point just google it and you'll see a metric ass-ton of it

Sometimes in the Bible when it says “wine” it is talking about fruit juice, since that was the ancient word for fruit juice:

Genesis 49:11 KJV
[11] Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:

Song of Songs 8:2 KJV
[2] I would lead thee, and bring thee into my mother's house, who would instruct me: I would cause thee to drink of spiced wine of the juice of my pomegranate.

So when the Bible says use a little wine for thy stomach’s sake it is talking about fruit juice, because elsewhere it condemns drinking alcoholic beverages:

Proverbs 20:1 KJV
[1] Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Proverbs 23:29-35 KJV
[29] Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? [30] They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. [31] Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. [32] At the last it biteth like a serpent, and stingeth like an adder. [33] Thine eyes shall behold strange women, and thine heart shall utter perverse things. [34] Yea, thou shalt be as he that lieth down in the midst of the sea, or as he that lieth upon the top of a mast. [35] They have stricken me, shalt thou say, and I was not sick; they have beaten me, and I felt it not: when shall I awake? I will seek it yet again.

it condemns drunkenness not drinking any alcohol. unless of course you are a muslim but even the jews drink

>Go look up the evidence that the basis of my argument relies on yourself
Nah

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10372741/
pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh22-3/220.pdf
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/10370872/

The Bible teaches not to play with anything sinful. It teaches the slippery slope “fallacy” which is not a fallacy but truth. In theory could you just drink one bottle of beer or a small glass of wine and be fine? Sure your body is designed to get rid of contaminants too. The problem is by it’s very nature it is corrupting, so when you drink one you already have decreased judgment so you’re very likely drink more and more till you are drunk:

Proverbs 4:14-15 KJV
[14] Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil men . [15] Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away.

Proverbs 6:27-28 KJV
[27] Can a man take fire in his bosom, and his clothes not be burned? [28] Can one go upon hot coals, and his feet not be burned?

Don’t play with sin, every alcoholic started with one drink.

Jews are not Christian and they hate Christ, their God.

1 John 2:22-23 KJV
[22] Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. [23] Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Jesus doesn’t consider those who call themselves jews good people in the slightest:

Revelation 2:9 KJV
[9] I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Do not model any pattern of your life after the jews, they are not Christian, they hate God and are contrary to all men.

Self-medication for anxiety.

that fact that you need proof that alcohol is bad for hormone levels if consumed consistently is amazing considering it's an actual poison to the body

>Drinking poison to fit in

Yikes

I use to be a regular drinker, 3 - 5 times a week or more on some occasions for a couple years. Smoked a lot of weed too and I was just fine. Suffered a pretty nasty concussion from football and after that, I can't drink more than a few times a month or smoke a lot without feeling extremely anxious. I miss drinking and smoking up.

I hate alcohol. I understand why people would like to be buzzed as it gives you a carefree attitude, but being drunk is awful. The carefree attitude when you're drunk is dangerous. I went outside for a walk right after downing an entire bottle of vodka thinking, "Yeah, this is a good idea. I'm sure this'll work out." It was 4:30 AM so at least I could hide my shame from people. Alcohol kicked in so hard and all I wanted to do was lay down but my house was too far. Didn't care and just fell asleep in the street. Woke up and stumbled home and went to bed. Woke up and threw up all over my self and went back to sleep. Woke up the horniest I've ever been and jerked off all over my self thinking about Taylor Swift. Then went to sleep again. Woke up and had to clean up my shame with a hangover. Never drank again. It's not worth it because the negatives outweigh the positives.

Cannabis is fine. I prefer sativa because indica is boring. I like that it gives me tunnel vision and allows me to appreciate life. You ever just walk while high and look at the trees? Nice.

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1 year sober from all street drugs and alchohol here... fucking hardest thing I ever did. only had to stop because i became a street junkie tho and couldn't handle that lifestyle anymore.

Like it or not, alcohol is part of modern society. If you want social gains, you must drink in moderation, sometimes. If you don't, everyone will think you're a sperg.

Alcohol is also very powerful, which is why you must practice discipline when drinking. All you clowns that say "I never drink" have never put your discipline to the test. And if you're an alcoholic, you have failed in your discipline. The true kings are those who can have a few when it's socially appropriate, without getting drunk.

Gettin a little buzzed sometimes is good for mental health

Any advice on what to do in the evening instead of cracking open a can of beer? I've been drinking regularly for about four years now, some abstinent weeks in between, and almost daily for about a year and when i last tried to stay sober (Last week, lasted 6 days), i just didnt know what to do in the evening. Tea? Non alcoholic beer? I usually ended up just going to bed early when i got overly pissed over not drinking.

Every time I wanted after work drink, I would hit the bag, lift, or ride bike. Yes I overtrained but after 3 or 4 months I no longer felt the need for a drink EVER.

I'm 29 years old and it's becoming more and more clear to me that my drinking is going to keep me from making it.

i want to get my drinking down to a few twice a week, not 3+ daily

wish me luck anons

No level of alcohol consumption improves health

thelancet.com/article/S0140-6736(18)31571-X/fulltext

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my birthday passed last week and i drank a fuck ton of beer and had more left over, im drinking my last beer to loose my chee chees bros

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LOL alcohol is something social, drinking alone is boring as fuck. How do you guys get addicted I will never understand

Imagine being this much of a moron

Keep at it!
24 years here (yep, 24) and counting. I started young...

You're meant to do it with friends, idiot.

>tfw no friends so no reason to drink anyway

im glad this stuff is coming out because there are way too may faggots who justify their drinking problems with "but but its good for muh heart"

on paper alcohol is a vile substance, makes you fat, makes you do and say retarded things, gives you cancer now

Man was ment to drink beer, fuck off

Drank for the first time this week. Vodka, 500ml WKD, 2 cans of Guinness, 330ml cider.

Was at a party and I was the most sociable person I've ever been. Talked to everyone, had great conversations, was like a totally different person. Usually I'm really quiet and introverted, but this was like a literal dream. Had a great time and made great new connections.

Pretty much sober again within3 hours. Woke up the next day and didn't even have a hangover, ready to do it again when the next opportunity comes.

Alcohol is literally a miracle for shy people. Don't understand why you'd want to drink on your own though, that seems really boring.

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Haven't had a drop to drink since 2012. Stopped chonging the thermo-shrubs last December.

>mfw

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> i drank a lot and didnt even have a hangover

it's always so easy to spot the underage b& in alcohol threads

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> Alcohol is literally a miracle for shy people.

this is literally how everyone's crippling alcoholism starts

You're a moron and clearly have no idea what it's like to be mentally ill with a predisposition for substance abuse. If I even just have one drink it's impossible to stop. It's either all or nothing. All of you "lmao literally just do it in moderation" fags are peak boomers

you are 100% correct but unfortunately Jow Forums and Jow Forums as a whole is full of retards who believe "lol just dont drink as much bro self control bro"

please post a pic of your man boobs and huge gut

Are you saying that I didn't drink a lot or that I did have a hangover? And why would this be bait?
I had 4 pint glasses of water throughout the rest of the evening because I kept getting thirsty, so maybe that helped.

I can't imagine drinking by myself.

Yeah, your body catches up on a lot of REM once you stop smoking. Makes your dreams pretty fucking top notch

For me it was due to association. My life was going fucken badly, but then I did something immensely positive and gratifying for my entire family and alcohol helped me power through it. From that point on I associated booze with positivity.

When I start, I go HEAVY. The only way I can reliably cut that shit out is by starting a cutting phase with no booze or sugar. Within that framework, writing completely and not even thinking of it is really easy.

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*quitting completely

By the way, I'm not some skinny teenager, I'm around 230lbs/105kg, which probably explains why I could drink a lot without negative consequences.

I end up drinking a lot because my main friend at this point in life is an alcoholic. We rarely drink more then 1 or 2 beers but this is every other day or so and i notice it fucks with my health. I don't have cravings for alcohol luckily but I do need to find a better social outlet.

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Why bother drinking if you're not even going to get tipsy from it? The experience is going to be identical if you drank a cup of water.

alcohol still works when you drink one or two beers unless you're an ox. it just doesn't make you as high as drinking more.

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So no sources.

You really get affected by 1 or 2 beers and you drink "every other day"? How heavy are you?

I mean yeah, that's normal, I don't know anybody that doesn't get a lil buzz after 1 or 2 beers but I only know skinnyfat people and i'm skinnyfat mysel. Idk how heavy i am but i am 178cm tall and skinnyfat. We also smoke hash along with the beers which i probably should have mentioned lol. If you drink while smoking you will be even more stoned and not in a good way. Damn, i have to change this shit.

I struggle with manic depression and used to get drunk every night. I was a self destructive drinker for many years. However, I was able to go from drinking 12 to 24 beers a day to 12 to 24 beers a YEAR. Stop believing you have no power to control your own behavior.

>when you have vivid dreams about your ex or horrific nightmares

Same things arn´t they?

Oh right, smoking does make a difference. I was out clubbing the other week and a 5'5" guy I know almost dies after drinking a lot and vaping weed.

Shiet lads, I like treating myself to a couple beers' worth of booze from time to time since it makes me feel amazing and relaxed, but past that I just feel worse and worse and I cant wait until I'm sober again. Crazy how some people manage to down like 10x times that on the daily

I do have the power of controlling my behaviour and with that I choose to drink a maximum of twice a year or so, preferably not at all.

Stopping drinking and smoking and puffing is great, and life does get better in ways you don´t necessarily expect.
But life is still going to try and fuck you up and over.

Same old suggestion, if you think you might have a drinking problem, go to a few AA meetings and see if you get any identification with what you hear there.
Do it sooner rather than later as you might end up saving yourself 20+ years of misery.

>beers

There's your answer, drinkers switch to wine or liquor. I can not get really drunk off of beer simply because of the volume.

No such thing as unfermented fruit juice prior to pasteurization and refrigeration. Literally have only had grape juice for about 150 years. Unless you are talking about just fresh squeezed, which happens only in the fall, it will be wine very quickly. Any and all claims that they drank unfermented grape juice in biblical times have been thoroughly discredited.