Is this guy actually natty or what? Abs at 230 lbs 6'1 make me a little suspicious

he's 100% not natty, even the most lenient genetic muscular potential research wouldn't give him near that shred at that bodyweight and height

Not necessarily, anyone know how thick his wrists and ankles are?

Redditors love to stamp his as a juicer based solely on his strength and mass, but I'm less sure about it. If he's natty, he's a fuckin specimen, hes got great size and strength, literally the natty limit. Also honestly he looks too good to be a roider, if he was juicing this whole time he'd have the leathery skin, receding hair, comical proportions, acne, dryness, etc. Instead he looks smooth and healthy, with clear skin and a bright glow about him, and none of the adrenal emptiness that all the roiders have. I'm on the fence

He already admitted that he got sold something that triggered a drug test when he was a D1 wrestler.

Only the top brass is allowed to roid. He's a new hire, in their wrestling school stable and isn't even their favorite performer.

This. The style of training he uses is why he's always putting out PRs. The second say Jeffersons become hard for him he just does decline bench for the next 6 weeks or whatever.

he LITERALLY made a video about it way back in the day, dunno why wwe shills come here to "defend" eric though, its not like anyone here has a bad opinion of him

keele.ac.uk/discover/news/2018/january/studyprovesmusclememoryexistsatadnalevel/muscle-memory.php

1 cycle of steroids permanently alters your body at the DNA level. This guy is, scientifically, for a FACT, not natural. Regardless of what you Bugenhagen spergies think, go back to watching him scream, retard.

Man all those people wasting their time doing cycles all the time, when all you have to do is use a banned substance once and you get to be a sick freak for the rest of your life with no side effects.

COPE

Here is the definitive answer. He has admitted to using steroids in the past while in college during wrestling. He claims this was only for a very short period of time however I frankly have a hard time believing that at his competitive peak, he took steroids for only a few days, realized he was starting to make tremendous gains, and then decided to quit. He looks like a steroid user and has the lifts of a steroid user so it’s highly likely that he use them consistently for some period of time during his youth and college. There is not a chance in hell that he is abusing steroids currently given how intensely he trains and how little progress he makes these days.

He is probably natys days, however reaping the benefits of his prior steroid use.

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Basically this except fraud cope since no one's impressed. Anyone could be jacked just get on gear. Nothing achieved by your own merit. You're likely inferior natty ngmi without gear.

he has videos talking about natty pride I fuckin tard, u really think bugez is smart enough to convincingly lie to our faces for 10+ minutes straight? No. Hes natty bro

He’s natty, has good genes, eats what he needs to, and has like 20 years training under his belt. It’s totally feasible that he’s one of the few true nattys on YouTube along with Jeff Cavaliere AthleanX.com and Dom Mazzeti

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>Only the top brass is allowed to roid
Kek. Pro wrestling is a performance art that relies on aesthetics and mass. This is like saying B list actors can't roid for action roles

Welcome to Jow Forums where anyone who has more muscle than the nerds constantly cutting without ever lifting must be on steroids. Is he natty? I don't know. He's a top tier athlete so he doesn't need steroids to look good. He might take steroids for performance purposes but he doesn't need them to build muscle

in the history of my reading Jow Forums, this is some of the dumbest shit ive ever read. thanks for skewing the deviation of whats a quality post. my greatest hope for you is that you become a serial killers next target or drafted into an unwinnable war. FOAD

Literally the only reason you're saying any of this is because you're a complete amateur when it comes to fitness and nutrition. Anyone who says he could be natty is simply outing themselves as clueless retards.

You're a fucking nerd who started lifting when he was 20 comparing himself to a D1 athlete

You're very cute, user. My only suggestion for you is to become 'a fucking nerd' and go educate yourself.

If you uave vissible abs you aren't natty
Its impossible to be lean and muscular, and natty at the same time

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>230 lbs at 6'1

either he's not 230 or he's not 6'1

>

He's just not big enough, he doesn't have huge lats or traps his shoulders are regular. He isn't the occasional juice head you see out and about wearing poor fitting clothes and drinking from a water jug.

Dude you're fucking dumb as hell lol. He is 100% a roider. College athletes who roid aren't as muscular and strong as him, but just because you have a crush on Eric, you think he's natty lmao

Then where are the freaks?! Im fucking sick and tired of these wimp faggots WOOO! broke ass scrubs WOOO! NO 700LBS RIPPED SONUVAGUNS! WOOO!

> Abs at 230 lbs 6'1 make me a little suspicious

His physique is very proportional to his frame. It hasn't changed in years. Without a pump, angles and lighting he looks totally natural.

He's at his genetic limit and will never get bigger or leaner, he hasn't significantly changed in years/decades.

you can't know he's 100% not natty, you're just guessing

I bet you don't know you're retarded

>or drafted into an unwinnable war.
kek, for israel?

Take top tier genetic lifters, take Pros, if they lifted natty their whole lives they would still look like they juiced and most of the current generation would call them frauds.

if you have decent natty test, like 800ng/dl test, good genetics and symmetry and an intense obsessive work ethic you will look like you're on juice (to normies) after 4-5 years of good lifting.

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Here is Greg posing. This was before he did steroids.

youtube.com/watch?v=ks2sZ0efjBA

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>he's natural because he says he is
>he only gained 10 lbs of muscle after roiding for the first time
lol

>>he only gained 10 lbs of muscle after roiding for the first time
>lol
What's funny?
He's at his genetic limit prior to roiding.

He's said before he is closer to 6'3"

unironically why does no one ever mention how insanely handsome this guy is? no homo, he's easily the most attractive dude in fitness, more than seid or murphey or anyone else, dude looks like a more masculine henry cavill, his face is almost his best feature

Bugez is natty and everyone whining otherwise is 2,000% COPE

Why does anyone care. I see two avenues, one being people who are natural and want to tell themselves this is an impossible physique to make themselves feel better about not obtaining it and the other being Bugez subscribers who would ride or die for him. Neither side will convince the other of anything. Natural/Fraud threads are pointless, only the guy claiming natty knows the truth and everything else is speculation so why keep making the same threads where the same tired points are made.

Why do they drug test in the WWE when it is a fake soap opera? I don't get it.

A lot of it is PR, kids watch it and its a good don't do drugs message. The NFL has a similar stance, they ban people for pot left and right but they have 0 issue with their players taking opioids before and during games to keep their train wrecked bodies on the field to keep people watching. A lot of ex players are coming out of the woodwork now claiming major damage to their bodies because it turns out ignoring chronic pain in your head is a bad idea and rears it's ugly head sooner or later.

keep lying to yourself like that and you will never make it. have fun looking like garbage at 40 years old because you believed in muh natty dream

acne, dry skin can be so easily mitigated using the right protocols. look at connor murphy/carlton loth etc, not a single acne scar. pure cope

jeff cavaliere is on TRT you fucking retard. i swear to god natty copers are the dumbest species on this goddamn planet. worse than niggers

I don't get why people perpetuate this. He said that in high school he took supplements from a supplement store that he now suspects might have had prohormones in them. It's not like he was pinning.

He’s both 6’1 and 230-240. His height is well documented through his college wrestling career. Stop being such a cynical cunt.

its to mislead natty copers like you. tell me user, are you dumb or dumb?

Hard to say 100%. His muscle and strength distribution looks pretty natty, but he's getting fairly large. Certainly achievable by some small subset of people.

You're pretty silly if you think his looks are not achievable by some naturals. My main point is that there's a huge difference between someone pinning test every week vs someone who POTENTIALLY had oral prohormones in a supplement like 15 years ago.

Prove that he is. Show me the evidence. Your opinion doesn't count as evidence btw

No, he didn’t. He literally named the compound he took. I forget exactly the name, but it was an AAS. He claims he didn’t know it was a steroid initially and stopped using it after he found out. Again, the story is possible, but not plausible. High level competitive college athlete uses steroids for a few days then stops? Unlikely.

looks like you haven't been lifting long enough and have much more to learn. you can literally only acquire 3d delts/dryness while looking ripped on gear. anyone who tells you otherwise is lying to you or ignorant. you can accept this fact right now, or 5 years from now. thats up to you. just know that you can't get lost time back, so pin test, eat well, lift hard and stop making excuses

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If he's natural, that's the absolute upper limit of what is possible. He's thick as fuck.

So is there any reason to not hop on gear for like 6 months, quit, and live the sweet life for the rest of your existence? Obviously you won't be as huge as active roiders, but it'll give a significant boost to your natty life without the health risks

holy fucking cope

Lel I absolutely will not pin test. I've linear progressed to OHP 185x5 @175 bw and am pretty satistified with my delt development so far. At any rate, surely you can see the difference between picrelated and bugenhagen's photo above.

Buges delts are about the least impressive part of his physique considering his weight and though he is extremely lean they don't look very 3d..

>i absolutely dont want more testosterone in my system
>there is a car in the garage waiting for me but i absolutely choose to walk to work instead

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show me a natty at 30-40 years old who looks good and isnt on TRT and i will rest my case.
hard mode:
>no jeff (trt)
>no scooby (ex roider)

supra-physiological levels of test aren't healthy, adding drugs to counter-sides isn't healthy, AIs and ancillaries will damage you as well.

No need to put jet fuel in your car, corrode your engine and reduce its lifespan, simply to drive to work or the mall.

Haha what is this. Also walking to work is healthier than driving, so your example isn't exactly great.

I think he's natty look at how normal but strong his delts look

This is true, steroids increase the risk of various cancers and are potent pro-oxidants, and it's not like we need any help with that considering the other pollutants, etc. we encounter in our daily lives.

no one is asking you to blast grams of test. besides, 200mg test every week (trt) after you turn 50 dramatically increases quality of life. Keep your bloods in check, eat healthy and reap the benefits. Look at guys like sylvester stallone. Get redpilled and get off your ass.

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Exogenous testosterone is a male contraceptive. Sacrificing your masculinity (fertility), heart health, hair and skin health, for some muscle bloat isn't worth it.

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I would consider trt when I'm older but I'm in my 20s, hairy as fuck, making consistent progress, and I'm pretty aggressive. I don't think I need to supplement desu.

Shifting goal posts now?

>trt after you turn 50
Why were you posting guys blasting grams of test saying you'll "never make it natty!!", now you are saying "trt for guys over 50" is ok. Two totally different scenarios.

after 50 guys don't need fertility, they're probably half bald already and TRT sides and GAINS aren't a big deal.

but...
>200mgs
that's not actual TRT, that's already supernatural probably put you at 1400ng/dl...no 50+ year old is gonna have that naturally.

>Look at guys like sylvester stallone. Get redpilled and get off your ass.
He needed roids to become an action movie star. He doesn't need roids anymore except to counter his steroid induced hypogonandism...
No one wants to look at 50 year olds on juice with their wrinkley granpa skin and giant veins

dudes chicken skin looks unhealthy
his heart valves are probably fucked too

top ifbb pros all have plenty of children. theres a thing called hcg btw en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin

I hate that certain angles make forearms look dyel no matter how beefy they really are.

Is this you? It seems like you genuinely care about helping people, but being adversarial about steroids is probably not the best way to do it.

>top ifbb pros all have plenty of children.
top ifbb pros also have insane genetics that can handle grams of gear in general, they usually have a lot of money for fertility treatments, freezing their sperm, artificial insemination, and we don't know how many years they were trying, how many relationships ended, before they achieved a baby...so your point is invalid.

The average guy cycling for a few years or blasting and cruising for a few years could permanently fuck up their endocrine system.

There's a study that shows 1 cycle of nandrolone shut guys down for about 6months...however 1 guy got his natural test back in like a week.

IFBBP pros are outliers, don't compare yourself to them.

you could pin test, do a few cycles, come off and maintain your gains with good diet and training

OR

spend your entire lifetime buying natty supplements thinking that bcaas will eventually turn you into Steve Cook. this realization either hits you now or later.

WWE fakes all test results so their "wrestlers" can look aesthetic.

'fuck up' is just a temporary shutdown. a cycle of PCT gets your natural sperm/test production up and running again. (clomid, nolvadex, hcg)

more people are on gear than you think. im talking about people who do it recreational and dont even compete. if what you said is true, infertility would be a worldwide crisis right now.

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>a cycle of pct gets it all back
that's why guys who have been roiding for over 4-5 years typically go on TRT their whole lives because after doing 3,4,5 pcts their test is still not what it used to be.

> if what you said is true, infertility would be a worldwide crisis right now.
the whole world isn't abusing roids. it's mostly a niche western phenomena, and Fertility rates ARE dropping in the west. I mean sperm counts and sperm health, as well as baby-making rates.

theatlantic.com/family/archive/2018/10/sperm-counts-continue-to-fall/572794/

Obviously roids aren't the main culprit, but they are adding fuel to the fire, they are literal MALE CONTRACEPTIVES...

>3,4,5 pcts
Just cruise. If you're dedicated to doing several cycles, you are an idiot if you keep pcting between them

The fetility rates dropping is the work of you-know-who

From what I understand if you're smart about roiding you can avoid all that shit.

Erick is unironically a genetic freak.

Top 99% of best genes, dude is athleticism personified.

Also he has the MINDSET.

>if you're dumb enough to do many steroid cycles then you'll have to be on TRT for life
Yes, but that's gay and undesirable.

nope lol

I can't believe you fucking anti-eric retards are still posting this fucking comment
here is a list of ingredients contained in Methyl 1-D from the creator himself
there is not a single banned or restricted substance on this list
eric is NATTY
stay MAD

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I don't take any supplements, not even whey, and never will. Just lots of good food.

kek this

Whey is not harmful doe. You're losing gains, Whey is liquid protein