Let's discuss the effects ionizing radiation has on the human body

was probably in a coma

>calls me a brainlet and then says "I read the book about Ouchi, its fucking insane that none of the asians thought for a second they were doing the most brutal psychical torture ever documented"

Your self awareness is horrid and you're pretty dumb if you think they didn't know what they were doing, they gave him multiple grafts and transplants to prevent him from dying.

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God created everything and knew everything that would happen with perfect accuracy you retard

"God gave man free will" is such a cop-out.
Fucker literally killed almost all of us just because we didn't behave like he wanted. Clearly he's willing to intervene when our will gets too free.

Why did nobody kill him?

You are so fucking stupid, god damn
Why are christkeks always embarassing themselves with incoherent posts?

He didn't do or cause any of it though.

What are you referring to? Plagues? Natural disasters?

Seems obvious until you realise that the spirit is a psycho-electrical construct which would be irreparably disintegrated by exposure to a nuclear blast. At least in the slow death you still exist in some form and have chance for a new beginning in a healthy body, instead of being utterly removed from creation.

>get dabbed on
>has no retort
>replies with: hahahah your so dumb hhhahah

Thats like me making a spear, throwing it at you and then saying that its the spear'd fault and i didnt do nothing

No it is your fault, I didn't do anything but neither did God. It was a human action, Humans cause so much suffering on others

Ok then, explain how you "dabbed" on me
Explain why they kept him alive for 83 days if they were perfectly aware that what they were doing was most evil and explain why the book has numerous accounts of the hospital staff claiming they are doing something virtuous or even not-wrong
Cmon

Also, work on your english you south american rat

originally go away newfag

>What are you referring to? Plagues? Natural disasters?
Literally Genesis.
You misunderstood his analogy, or you admit that God isn't omniscient, and therefore isn't a true or worthwhile god.

Because asians are insects and valued the scientific effects of radiation more than his suffering

Stop projecting accusations of being a brainlet on others when you're naive

>i create something, perform an action which i know 100% will result in evil
>god creates something and performs an action which i know 100% will result in evil
The difference is...?

When Ouchi arrived at the hospital he seemed completely fine. He was talking with the staff and only complained of pains in his most severely irradiated arm. Ouchi's family was very worried about him, so the doctors decided to do their best and try to save him. It's probably an ethical thing in Japan. I think they were in denial about how much his condition was going to deteriorate. In interviews with the medics they seem genuinely distressed about how the ordeal went, they're on the verge of crying. They express how as days went by they started wondering if what they're doing is right, and had doubts, but were scared to tell this to their colleagues as not to demoralize them. The worst part is Ouchi's family hoped for his recovery until the very end.
This fucking story fucks me up so bad

So you just repeated the exact thing i said about the japanese claiming that your exact same position is superior?
Good to know

t. election tourist
I didn't misunderstand him (despite him being a south american rat)
It's a side effect of humans being able to do whatever they want

You didn't say that though, you even asked me sarcastically. Keep seething and doing mental gymnastics

>It's a side effect of humans being able to do whatever they want
Its a side effect of my spear doing whatever it wants

>>I didn't misunderstand him
That's even worse, because it means you deliberately chose to misrepresent his points.

In the book the doctor inspected Ouchis body and he had a concious response to the pain caused by the examination which basically meant he was concious during most of the treatment process

>the japanese are subhuman to cause this much suffering to a person
>no you brainlet the japanese are subhuman to cause this much suffering to a person

>52854393
how is your spear doing it though? not giving you a you
go back to r/Jow Forums if you really think he was making an argument at all by pushing the blame onto an inanimate object created by man

>man throws a spear at a man and its the spearman's fault
>a hunter lays a trap for a man and its the hunters fault
>a scientist creates an ai to kill people and its the scientists fault
>god makes man to do evil and its not gods fault
Christkeks can NEVER respond to this in any meaningful way

>man saves another man's life
>God is to thank

If we do assume that god exists and he is all knowing and all capable then yes, he is to thank, in fact, christians do often thank him for the good deeds of other people

whats the argument? its the same as any justice system in the modern world
>man a shoots man b
>man a is punished
the fault lies in man a

God gave us free will, if he dictated everything we do then there'd be no point in existence. Some people will inevitably choose evil, that doesn't mean it's God's fault.

God knows, knew and will know everything we're going to do, he knows all the evil and suffering we're going to cause or experience, he lets us carry out our collective 'free will' to blunder about into these lions' dens regardless. It seems especially cruel to light the spark that would cause all of this in the first place, at the least.

You can say he didn't control man to do and experience this, you can't say he didn't create man with knowledge that man would do and experience this. He necessarily holds responsibility for all of our evils and all of our suffering, because he could've prevented all of it without ever interfering with our will, simply by not creating us.

of course he knows, Jesus Christ was crucified by jews to absolve everyone from their sins. it is the same as raising a child for them to be a rapist or murderer, he didn't want that for them they chose it themselves

how about the OP.
>man a instructs man b and man c to do something
>man a watches b and c doing it
>as a result of faulty instruction men b and c receive fatal doses of radiation
>man b and c die horrible deaths
>man a recovers after brief time in hospital
>man a is to be blamed for their deaths
>God is to be thanked for rescuing man a's life

the people who are at true fault for this are the people who allowed a nuclear power plant to be built on a fucking island dummy

The blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ is a bandage fix that doesn't fully address the problems going forward and, more importantly, the fact that these issues never had to 'be' in the first place.

God necessarily looked forward and saw that people would have to be all but exterminated, have to be given a vague, and, until very recently, obscure way to be "saved" and he knew that people would experience and cause untold amounts of evil and suffering. Despite that he still made us. This isn't mystery, this is malevolence.

Choosing to procreate when you know for a fact that your kid will use their free will to become a rapist or murderer or be raped or murdered is malevolence.

meant to be to
Sleep deprived.

Your analogy is shit. A better comparison would be, say, making a spear or a gun and selling it to someone else. What they do with it is entirely their fault, you can't be faulted for their actions with your product. If they kill someone with it, you can't be charged with murder just because you made the weapon.
That weapon is life, and the guy you sold it to is humanity. They can use what you gave them for good or evil, that's on them.
>inb4 God is evil for providing those means in the first place
And without the proper tools, the man would starve to death or freeze. He could use a hammer to build a house or break a man's skull. Use a spear to hunt food or stab a man. Without those tools he will die, with them, he must use his own agency.

it wasn't a "blood sacrifice"
>being saved is obscure
no, all you have to do to be saved is admit you are a sinner and accept that Jesus Christ died for you and you and your sins

What if I don't know who Jesus Christ is or have no reason to believe in him? What if I die or kill a person before I or they can repent? What if I just never see a reason to repent? What if I was born with a brain that made it impossible to understand the concept of repentance, but I understood empathy, human emotion and good? What if I was part of another religion? Why is it that we all have to suffer in the only existences we've ever known and have to gamble potential experiences away for a good reward?

That and so much more are why it's flawed and doesn't fully address the problems going forward. It would had been better if God never made us. It would had been benevolent.

and a few other things like accepting him as your savior
youtube.com/watch?v=WDEBz25lGdY

also, it was a blood sacrifice, a man was groomed for 30 years so he could die. Jesus couldn't had ever failed in his mission or refused and, even if he could've, at best he sacrificed himself because he knew he had to in order to do what he thought was good.

Whatever you want Jesus to be, the man was sacrificed.

Purgatory exists for a reason, hellbound souls are there of their own volition.
And purgatory varies, in some cases it's like temporary hell and in others it's akin to a waiting room, depends on the individual's circumstances.

He can't have an hands on approach he'd break his own craft by performing miracles in a non miracle environment.

how the fuck do you know that for sure, retardo

Jesus is God, he sacrificed himself.
If you want my personal opinion, I think perhaps God of the Old Testament didn't fully understand the human condition, which is why he appears so short with humanity at times and does things a loving god wouldn't. It was only when he came down with us and saw it through our own eyes that he understood what he had done, and in the sacrifice for us, it was a form of repentance for him. That the reason he is how he is now is because he feels guilty for the past.
I don't think any official school of theology would teach that, but it makes sense to me.

>hellbound souls are there of their own volition.
I can't imagine many people who would be hellbound, then. Except, maybe, child molesting priests who still genuinely believe in God. If you don't believe in God (as in, you have no compelling reason to accept him as an indisputable fact of reality), why would you end up in hell?

If that's what you're saying then God is less cruel than I've been lead to believe.

from my understanding children go to heaven if they die

The reason they kept him alive is to study the effects of nuclear poisoning, yes.

The SAME reason that the USA used nuclear weapons on Japan during WWII, it wasn't to end the war (Japan was already being firebombed into extinction) no, it was purely to test and examine the effects of nuclear weapons on a human population.
They literally set up hospitals to study patiants but NOT treat them.

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It's mostly people who just hate God and refuse to be with him no matter what, they're fully aware that hell is the only other option.
I would think an atheist would only take purgatory if he were open to the idea after the truth being revealed. It can be a complex matter, not being aware of sins committed usually negates them entirely, and someone of another faith, having lived a virtuous life (say, a Buddhist monk) or didn't have a chance (babies that didn't make it, aborted or otherwise) would likely not experience any pain in purgatory, or even spend a lot of time there.
I will admit that pain is used to get rid of sin. Jesus's pain on the cross was used for us, and theologically speaking, he still experiences that pain for us to this day. I would at least say that it is fair, seeing as God himself experiences pain for the sins of others who repent in life.

>It's mostly people who just hate God and refuse to be with him no matter what, they're fully aware that hell is the only other option.
I can't imagine many people like this. Most people who aren't good Christians don't believe in the Christian God or Hell.

Your book literally says so you brainlet.

Sometimes I wish the jehovahs witnesses were right with their whole annihilationism thing. I really do not want to go on after death, and I know I am a bad person. I probably am going to hell.

It also says humans cannot understand God.
So if you agree that the Bible should be taken 100%, then you also agree you can't understand what it means to be God.

'For as the heavens are exalted above the earth, so are my ways exalted above your ways, and my thoughts above your thoughts.'
- Isaiah 55.9

Satanists do exist, however small in number the real ones are, given that most are just edgy atheists. There are some genuinely terrible people that exist, I would think most of them are rich people to be honest.
Other than that, you're probably right, there are likely few people truly in hell.
I should probably mention that this is Catholic theology, so feel free to discount everything and call me a pedo or a satanist, I'm used to it at this point.

I think the ratio is very close to 50/50.

I think the Bible would be a pretty good reference point if you wanted to make a race of evil alien/eldritch entities.

I wouldn't say evil but yes, it does almost sound sci-fi.

'Then the LORD God said, "Look, the human beings have become like us, knowing both good and evil. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!"'
- Genesis 3:22

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This accident had literally nothing to do with the plant being on an island

my mistake, was referring to the fukushima disaster

My friend, entire Japan is an island.
Entire Japan is on volcanic planes as well.

Japan doesn't have much natural resources such as coal or petrol so they need nuclear energy.
Hell, the reason for their expansion in the 20th century was because they wanted more natural resources.

So the ONLY way for Japan to viably abandon nuclear energy is to start taking over China again (which is okay in my book).

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i am aware but the fukushima disaster was caused because it's an island and was able to get fucked up by the earthquake and tsunami

I don't think you understand.
ALL of Japan is prone to earthquakes.
72% of Japan is mountains, meaning you can't build nuclear plants there.
And they can't build nuclear plants in the cities.

It's really a difficult situation. Though it could be solved by taking over China again.

i didn't understand your point at the beginning of this conversation but now i do, however there are alternatives at the cost of producing much more pollution

this reads like a bad anime, deus ex machina and all

doesn't deus ex machina mean that God steps in to help or something?

See you're assuming that god is all loving what if he's not

Yeah then God is an evil fucking asshole if he makes horrible shit like this