If socialism killed 100 million people then capitalism kills 50k+ a year.
If socialism killed 100 million people then capitalism kills 50k+ a year
Connor Edwards
Austin Ross
youre right, but fuck off i am tired of political spam on a robot board
Asher Carter
so it would take 2000 years for capitalism to do the amount of harm that socialism did in just the twentieth century.
Oliver Cooper
reject capitalism and communism OP
Carter Brooks
I just said 50k for the amount of people who die yearly in the US because they can't afford healthcare. I put the + because many more die because of the war industry and many other reasons.
Ayden Perez
Ah, but most of these people wouldn't have existed anyways.
Mason Wood
That wasn't real cpitalism though.
Carter Long
> then capitalism kills 50k+ a year.
Most of those aren't white though
Chase Brown
but socialism killed people purposefully so there is a difference.
Thomas Sullivan
You don't think that letting people die of cancer because they can't afford treatment isn't purposeful? You think sending young men to fight in a war for oil isn't purposeful?
The deaths caused by communist governments and those caused by capitalist governments were/are both purposeful, it's just that capitalism's deaths are indirect.
Ayden Phillips
the mentally ill frogposter tried to form an opinion, and failed, as always. cute
Levi Baker
That century we colonized and enslaved half the world for spices and cotton so we can make some money? Not real capitalism.
Wyatt Barnes
If it were 50k/yr then there'd be nothing to worry about.
Gabriel Collins
>I am an American and was taught to never question capitalism so I'll just insult you
Jordan Ross
They're trying. I wouldn't be too harsh on them. Plus it's shit posting. Teens these days think edgy nazi posting is funny.
It's good old haha made you look.
Honestly I forgot this is how 4lang was. It was really good for a while there. R9k is good at times. Basically.
Wish asianmoot would fix this. We have older folk here on r9k and then try harding teens who associate the place with inceldom etc.
It's getting old. This place should be for 25+ posting and original content. So bored of all the spam.
Blake Torres
>I cannot question what I was told
>I am incapable of thinking for myself
Chase Fisher
>Imagine believing the healthcare market in the Us is a free market or a market without huge restrictions on almost anything from supply to determining the price
Yeah nah, don't say the JS healthcare system is a result of a proper market because it really isn't
T. Actual academic economist
Gabriel Watson
>academic economist
Anthony Cooper
Does that take into account what capitalism has done for the poverty rate in the past 100 years?
I doubt it.
Adrian Lewis
>Not having done any research or thesis in university at all
Ayden Richardson
>You don't think that letting people die of cancer because they can't afford treatment isn't purposeful? You think sending young men to fight in a war for oil isn't purposeful?
those are problems of specific governments/people and not capitalism. war is not capitalistic relationship at all, it exists for thousands years. and yeah, letting people die of cancer is not purposeful. i doubt that medicine providers want people to die. look how price forms. we cant just instantly provide free water and medical treatment for everyone.
Robert Roberts
>Actually, the price of insulin should be 3x higher so that only CEOs can afford it
>Won't anybody think of the poor pharma execs
Jack Jenkins
You stink like semen all the way from here user. Go outside and don't address me.
Evan Kelly
>the mentally ill is oblivious to what's actually being said and keeps on digging his hole
saw it all before
Austin Cooper
Exactly. So the atrocities committed by socialism aren't really problems of the economic system itself, but of the governments. That's why I made this thread. It makes no sense to blame an economic system for deaths.
Robert Carter
I never said that at all.
I'm saying that the reason why medicine prices have risen so fast is because of a combination of restricting possible supply of substitutes by the FDA and market restrictions because of the way the system is set up by the government for insurers and health care providers.
If you genuinely think it's a logical result of market based healthcare you're mistaken.
Jordan Gutierrez
>Making a profit off of medicine isn't the logical result of a healthcare market
are u ok retard?
Joshua Bell
>Implying the $1.90/d meme is enough to stave off malnutrition
>Exposing the great 'poverty reduction' lie
aljazeera.com
Matthew Sullivan
Of course it is but because of heavily restricted competition excess profits are made possible in the healthcare market.
Again you're assuming I'm saying things to fit your narrative but in reality the healthcare market is far more complicated and far more restrictive than you think
Tyler Bell
>Yeah, if the market were less restrictive the price would go down
>It would work if it were just in a free market
>There's just too many rules about sanitation!!!
Loving every kek
Jaxon Scott
>atrocities committed by socialism aren't really problems of the economic system itself
well, they are. planned economy doesnt work even in theory. even if there are only "good guys" in some socialistic government, they still wont provide good life quality and avoid mass mortality, because its just not possible. thats the main problem with socialism
Carson Cooper
Really you're showing you have very limited knowledge of the subject and especially the healthcare market in general.
Prices would go down if there was a freer market and a reduction of the influence of the FDA on possible entrants in the medicine business solely because of a higher supply and more competition.
How old are you exactly and what is your background besides possibly having watched some YouTube videos and drawing conclusions from very complicated events?
Juan Jackson
>be a commie
>want classless society
>kill bourgies and old elites, seize the means of production
>you have to delegate all this power to the government, but it's alright because it will eventually die off like Marx, who was always right, predicted
>it leads to the rise of the new bureaucratic elites who abuse their power under the name of the dictatorship of the proletariat
>no signs of it dying off anytime soon
>you're in le gulag for trotskyism
Ooopsie!
Zachary Gutierrez
The final blackpill? Not valuing the lives of those who die, and assuming they were simply too weak for whichever system they lived in
Charles Gonzalez
*is objectively correct in you are a path*
Logan Morris
>historical data
tell me about 3 successful socialist states (social democracy does not count)
>ethics supporting founding principles
violent revolution is ethical?
>intolerance of bigotry, hate, and inquity
en.wikipedia.org
rbth.com
>sustainability
I'm sorry who won the cold war again?
>portions already exist in status quo
social democracy =/= socialism
>public support
far left partys got there ass handed to them in the recent euro elections and Bernie is lagging hard behind biden so explain this.
>imperalist interventions
because socialist states have never been imperalist.
Jordan Perry
Then capitalism kills 20MM/yr. That's the point of the thread
Ian Taylor
Here comes the fucking brigade. God forbid someone on Jow Forums or especially Jow Forums have an opinion besides "I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE my boss and government so fucking much!"
Fucking ridiculous
Nathaniel Lopez
You're getting baited by that retard, Econ Major, but you fail to account for the massive market failures that are present in a laissez-faire healthcare market.
1. Consumer knowledge of healthcare services and the cost of providers giving these services is severely lacking, no where in the United States can you get an accurate price estimate of services rendered from a billing department.
2. Localized monopolies are rampant for healthcare in the United States, and it is a business with an extremely high financial barrier of entry, regardless of governmental restrictions. If an individual is in dire need of help, they do not have the ability to "shop around" for healthcare.
3. Demand for healthcare is infinite, as patients have the potential to die if not treated, paying the ultimate price, so to speak, and healthcare providers can take advantage of this.
You're talking out of your ass.
Adam Murphy
niggers don't count as kills
Sebastian Butler
At that rate it'd take 2,000 years to equal the deaths of socialism.
Seems pretty fucking superior to me.
Jack Watson
>While poverty had been increasing steadily for some two centuries, they said, the introduction of free-market policies had actually reduced the number of impoverished people by 400 million between 1981 and 2001.
kek nice al jazeera link thanks for proving my point bud
Christopher Lee
If hitler killed 6 million jews, robots have fucked 6,000 women each