Why do so many men on Jow Forums like being dominated?

i've been trying to figure it out for a while but i reckon ur right

subs are more attention-seeking
doms kinda can't be, cause they have to have an aura of distancing about them, of uncaringness. an attention seeking dom is just creepy

I dont want to be humiliated like that or whatever but I want to be dominated. Being called trash is just mean. I'd rather she tell me how lucky I am that she beats me or something. Idk I have a very fine line between being talked down to and outright meanness.
I know for sure that pretty much all of it comes from how I was raised though, it's on become refined tastes over the years

For me it's not about attention so much as just venting

If you are on Jow Forums unironically you are an outcast with mental issues and low self esteem. Probably a virgin. This almost always leads to submission. You would do anything for love / sex / companionship etc but can't imagine taking an active role to actually get these. Wouldn't it be nice if your potential partner took the lead? You just have to offer yourself. Which is not much so depending on your issues you try to make it work in your mind with what you have.
>Imagine if there was a very attractive girl who likes to hurt men! I could be her pathetic boytoy! She would love me for it for sure!

This is very close to the women fantasies where they imagine a handsome strong male and they only have to spread their legs to earn his love.

I'm saying this as a woman who likes dominating men and finds the majority of men interested in femdom thoroughly annoying:

The thrill in being submissive is that you are the desired, beause it plays upon their fears, and pursued partner and that you don't have to do anything.

For a bunch of losers who have never been attractive to women, the idea of a woman being so sexually attracted to you that she just straight up mounts you is deeply erotic and validating. This is the same logic of women with maledom rape fantasies - they love the ideal of being irresistible to a man. These men, deprived of normal female society, fetishize the idea of being wanted by a woman, even as a meat dildo.

Which leads me to my next point about how it plays upon fears. There's this nifty little thing called "misattribution of arousal" where your body's aroused states (anger, fear, horniness) are conflated in your brain. Thus, people often fetishize what terrifies them. This is part of the reason why so many women have rape fantasies, why fags want their neghole pozzed, why raceplay is a thing, etc. If you're a male loser, you're terrified of women. You're scared they'll laugh at you, reject you, mock you, be better than you, etc. A huge portion of misogyny on this site stems from the fact most of these robots live shitty lives and there are women - people who, along with niggers, they've been told they're better than - living happier lives. Sometimes they'll argue that this is because women live life on "easymode" but the crux of this is that hy can't handle that there are women out there doing amazing things with their lives while they sit at home and masturbate.

If a woman like that terrifies you on a social (laughinggirls.jpg) and existential (if I'm not better than a woman how can I be a man) level, then having said woman completely dominate you is terrifying.

Cont'd...

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These are correct, it's an actual native fetish only for few people, mostly develop it as a response to loneliness, the same things happens with traps.

Cont'd...

I'm sure robots would feel sqeamish at the very idea of being screamed at by a woman in public is terrifying.

There's also a thrill in having your insecurities validated. A fat person calls themselves fat. Everyone goes, "nooo.....!" and reassures the lard ass that they're beautiful. The fat person knows they are lying. Said fat person may actively seek out someone who says "you're fat" and maybe even insult them because it validates the feeling they have in their gut. To a lot of people, feeling "right" is better than being falsely complimented. This is also why incels post pictures of themselves on forums knowing they'll be mocked. There's a sort of thrill in having your worst insecuritied validated. As such, beta males may like having a woman say "your cock is disgusting and tiny and could never satisfy me" because claims of "all cocks r valid uwu I don't care about dick size" sounds like insecure pandering. This way they get to look fear in the eyes and conquer it, or at least, survive it.

Finally, subs don't do shit. They're told what to do. If you're a deeply anxious and neurotic person, having a boss tell you what to do is great because all social decisions are made for you. Nothing is your fault - it's all on the dom. You can enjoy never worrying again. This is part of the reason why women, who are on average way more neurotic than men, like being a sub. It's also why neurotic men enjoy subbing. "I'm tired of agonizing over whether or not a girl liked my text or whatever, can't I just sit back and have a woman do all the work? Or at least tell me what the fuck she wants?" It's liberating.

You can apply these concepts to other subby fetishes. So for sissification, the issue is that being a woman is disgusting and degrading because these men hate women (and trannies do hate women. See archive.li/Prfl3). The idea of becoming a thing you despise is terrifying and erotic.

Cont'd...

Cont'd...

For stuff like BLACKED, again, same logic. The white woman becomes the epitome of desire because this nigger is rejecting his own women to pursue her. The nigger alpha male desires the white woman so she must be prime pussy. White men are terrified of being cucked. Men are terrified in general of being sexually inadequate and having a tiny dick in general (hell, when Terry Davis went into his schizophrenia hole he discusses this, which demonstrates how fundamental the fear of emasculation is to the male psychology). White people are scared of niggers in general, and miscegenation. There's a thrill in seeing your worst fears and inadequacies realised. There's a sense of pleasure in not being the "performing" male.

Of course, there are peculiarities. With BLACKED, part of the thrill is that the haughty and beautiful white woman is degraded. She's fucked by a nigger. To a white racist, niggers are just barely human. They're essentially animals. Being fucked by a nigger has the same appeal of being fucked by a dog or horse. The thrill is a loss of status, absolute degradation, and humiliation. If you fucking hate white women, seeing them fuck niggers - watching that shit coloured dick go in and out - is better than any BDSM.

Anyway, this was fun, Jow Forums.

your intelligence makes me angry

Haha, thanks, I suppose. To be fair, a lot of these ideas aren't my own and those that are mine are highl derivative. The idea of BLACKED playing upon fears makes sense in the context of studies where conservatives masturbate to interracial and infidelity porn more than leftists. Gail Dines, an anti-pornography advocate and radical feminist, introduced the idea of "BLACKED as a way to humiliate white women" concept to me. Peter Sotos is also absolutely incredibly for understanding the why of fetishes, although he mostly focuses on pedophilia. He apparently liked Andrea "all sex is rape let me talk about men throat fucking babies" Dworkin's writing as well.

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Good write up.

"No human beings, regardless of who they might be, want to look directly at their own shortcomings."
-Tatsuhiko Takimoto

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Honest and true posts. CWC approved.
> no but seriously these are correct

i was the youngest, the only boy, had 3 older sisters and my dad was always at work.

Because it takes away the weight of activity from them.
Men who spend all their time on the computer pressing F5 in pursuit of virtual junk to distract themselves are passive by definition. They've trained this passiveness throughly, to the point being active is almost an alien concept. That their fetishes revolve around passiveness is expected.

I am the OP and i enjoyed reading what you wrote too especially the part about BLACKED and the women fucking niggers who are seen as animals. Definitely makes sense

Glad you thought so! Again, I cannot recommend Peter Sotos, Gail Dines, Andrea Dworkin, and basically any number of transgressive writers (Larry Kramer doesn't really deal with submission per se, but "Faggots" is an excellent insight to the gay male mentality, especially before modern normalization of homosexuality) and radical feminists. I know the latter seems a bit insane to recommend on Jow Forums, but if you want people who have some pretty intense takes on the most extreme pornography ever made, they're definitely the way to go because they're staring straight into the abyss.

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>women do amazing things
>implying
Other than that thanks for effortposting

>Imagine if there was a very attractive girl who likes to hurt men! I could be her pathetic boytoy! She would love me for it for sure!

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It's can be only write by a dumb stormfag of cuckoldland

I'm a fucking brazilian you fucking retarded animal

I will need to be simple with cuckolds of USA shithole country

Your country is fucking hardcore manipulated by democrats, no retarded jewish conspiracy you fucking dumb 60 year cuckold white woman worshiper stormfag

Or you fucking asian incel pretending to be white stormfag

The problem is that only the white male was promoted as inferior loser cuckold race of men, you dumb white loser cuckold stormfags think that all your loser emasculated media, tv shows, movies forcing white dudes to be forced to be with white women is not a racial cuckold emasculation in contrast of white women for years being artificially the only race used with niggers?

or the garbasge shit porn of white males?

Since 2004 or 2005 USA always portrayed white males as the exclusively loser cuckold race of men living for racial praise, hegemony and supremacy of white women american propaganda above the women of other races

Look at the behavior of loser asian men jealous of white dudes, look at the behavior of niggers, and how they love how USA for years promoted white men as the only desexualized race of men, non-teatening loser male who all the media, movies, porn is made to be around white women, not sexually praise the white male, boycott white men and non-white women and artificially put and celebrate white women with men of other race

YOUR COUNTRY IS RETARDED AND MAKE US IN SOUTH AMERICA AND WHITES IN THE REST OF THE WORLD LOOKS BAD BECAUSE YOU ARE HORRIBLE IN USA

All the corporations of Democrats always tried to use the white male as bad, represent the white male as the non-dominant undesired loser cuckold race of men forced to be with white women only in contrast of white women being the exclusively race used for high paid porn industry, tv shows, the only race used for lower sexual market of men of own race

I'm fucking tired of dumb stormfags from USA

DEmocrats/USA forced only the white dude, men, race, every kid who born white, as the only race used to be promoted as cuckold loser race of men

Democrats boycotted, marginalized, white men and asian women, non-white women, black women and artificially forced white women with niggers

USA/Democrats always used exclusively only the white male as the negative race of men and cover up, hide the racist jeralosu loser asian men, don't produce racial cuckold tv shows, ads, porn, against them, hide the niggers, hide the men of other race, and invented porn, media, tv shows only against the white male

WHITE MEN WITH WHITE WOMEN MEANS NOTHING, IT'S ONLY GOOD FOR THE WHITE WOMEN WHO IS KEEP ABOVE THE WOMEN OF OTHER RACES AND BAD FOR WHITE MEN WHO USA BOYCOTTED THEIR RELATIONSHIPS, TRIED TO SELL AS THE FAKE NORM THE WHITE WOMEN WITH MEN OF OTHER RACE, NIGGERS,

I'm from brazil, in the last 10 years in every place, i never viewed a nigger with a white woman in my country, i viewed black woman with white male, viewed asian woman with white male, viewed brown woman with white male, in public school no white woman lusted or seek for nigger, only black, brown, white girls wanting myself, i traveled to other states

All the exported cuckold shit were exclusively made for USA who also want to pressure every kid who born white and man for the american emasculated cuckold racial narratvie who the white mlae must be the representation of undesired desexualized loser men forced to be with white women only, who sell the narrative of white men being a undesired cuckold race of men who is only loser for men of other race, loser undesired pets of white women forced to be with them, who all the porn, media, everything of white mlaes must be desexualized, neutral, non-treatening for the men of other race and the scenes of white males don't have sex, they aren't dominant, they pretend to be men in garbage of white male against white male with some white woman after years of anti-white male

>Read my thread to understand everything made in USA in corporations of Democrats for years

archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/217753319/

>Read the end of this thread to understand:
desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/53219521/#q53224366
>It's about the asianmasculinity incels taking advantage of anti-white male bias in american corporations of Democrats, but have good points related to this thread with pics, videos, the behavior of the corporations, the bias. Everything.
You can find more related things here:

>Asianmasculinity losers here In 2015
archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/56652660/

>Links about other threads
archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/217553299/

archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/138725644/

>Go to the threads "japanese commercial" if you want to see more pics

archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/text/"japanese commercial"/
archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/217753319/

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dude, no offense, but you gotta work on your esl. maybe go back to Jow Forums for a while

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What the fuck are you talking about you stupid third worlder? I'm not a stormfag. I'm very clearly a radical feminist and leftist. No one mentioned Jews or Asians you illiterate wordsalad-generating absolute retard.

low self-esteem and low self-confidence.

Rock-bottom self-esteem

I think toxic masculinity is bullshit but I think a lot more men have femdom fetishes than let on. Most in real life probably claim to be into dominating women but for most women men who are sexually submissive aren't attractive they claim to be dominant in order to get laid

Plenty of good posts itt. I will also add mine older explanation, which may give some insight. Basically, porn makes you submissive.

It is tied to evolutionary psychology. Back when we were nomadic hunter-gatherers without family/marriage concept, we followed same suit as most animals - stronger males breeded. If you were weaker, sick, injured or old, you usually either didnt breed or had to wait until stronger males finished and if they let you. If they did, you could get sloppy seconds on a female. Thats also why our penis heads are shaped like they are - to literally scoop other males semen for greater chance it will be our juice that impregnates the female.

Thus, one of the surest way how to identify weaker/less valuable tribe members, was that they were watching stronger males breed, waiting for a turn that wasnt sure. Now, what this activity reminds you. This is also something that our ancient lizard brain recognizes very well and reacts accordingly. Back then, the reaction would be instant - you would take your place as a weaker male, so the social order of a tribe wouldnt be disrupted. Nowadays, we have very different society, yet our brains are largely unchanged (we are here too short of a time and developed too quickly for our bodies to adapt), apart from learned knack for rational approach. And so by frequent watching of porn (people having sex and you are not), you are literally conditioning yourself to take the role of a weak member of a "tribe". Even if you are perfectly healthy strong guy.

And that is only one reason of many too.

>So for sissification, the issue is that being a woman is disgusting and degrading because these men hate women (and trannies do hate women. See archive.li/Prfl3). The idea of becoming a thing you despise is terrifying and erotic.

I think this part is just wrong, at least for most. Even women laugh at a man in drag, it is inherently comedic as viewed by all of society. Men are simply not allowed to express any kind of femininity or else get laughed at by everyone. There is fear in expressing femininity. It is a problem caused by society not the individual. It has nothing to do with being a real woman.

lolidom is patrician taste tho, you have great taste user, keep it up

After looking through the replies of this thread I watched Laci Greens video about the topic and she claims that both men and women prefer the submissive role although I don't believe she cites any sources so take it with a grain of salt I guess but I believe it personally. I don't think it's exclusive to Jow Forums it's just that Jow Forums makes it easier to reveal things about yourself you otherwise would not in a setting where you could be identified

>she claims that both men and women prefer the submissive role
>laci green
Come on, you answered to yourself. Women like to be submissive, men like to be dominant. Anything beyond that is either some form of personal issue or deep-seated problem that needs attention and fixing, not indulgence.

And why do people laugh at sissies? Because "ew gross why would you want to be a woman" and because being feminine is inherently sexual. No one bats an eye at women wearing pants or sees it as a fetish.

I agree that femdom fetishes stem from problems that need fixing and indulging in but the point I was trying to make was that men being into femdom isn't exclusive to Jow Forums like OP claims but Jow Forums is just a tool used to express this to others. It wouldn't surprise me if more men were into this shit.

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I know few pro-dommes personally and yes, you are right, it is rather popular from what they tell me. I think it tells a lot about the state of society and general health of civilization too.

Why is it not OK for a man to choose to be weak? But women get to choose whether to be strong or weak.

Because you are a man. Manly virtues are inherently sacrificial and always were.

Typical woman takes forever to say nothing.

Came from the front page to tell you that sacrifice is a type of service: To tribe, to family, to god. To be in service is a type of submission.

To be a busy bee, a worker drone, a servant of society etc.

Men are tough enough to be submissive and that's all.

>To be in service is a type of submission.
This is extremely skewered view on the sacrifice. Sacrificial service to your people, cause, worldview, tribe, etc. stems from strength. You defeat inner animalistic urge to not to, you touch to what is truly human inside you and you do the thing. Hence why is it so glorified in any human civilization since the earliest onsets of mankind's history. Submission however stems from weakness - you are not defeating that animalistic urge, you are giving it to it. Those two may sound similar, but are it's opposites.
>To be a busy bee, a worker drone,
I wouldn't really compare traditional manly virtue and place which it gives to a man in the well established society, with nowadays corporate drone "culture" which is everything but good and healthy.
>Men are tough enough to be submissive and that's all.
This is pure cope however. Bad and unnatural one too, as shown by the fact that any healthy woman is inherently disgusted by it.

>"men"
lol
Also, they're just impressionable and weak minded, same people who self-insert as cuckolds or something.

Yes, but the motivator and key word is valued service to your society, tribe etc. The key being you are submissive to the designated value system within that tribe, and by proxy, its people.

As such nature made men rugged enough for only repeated service.

You essentially pick between two submissions, you either submit to the tribe or by default end up submitting to your instincts (which I think is a false dichotomy desu, the choice isn't that simple, the structure of society is built up an abstraction of the base needs of people)

>Obviously some people just have a fetish thing but it genuinely seems a lot of men on Jow Forums really want to be ridiculed in other areas of life besides sex and seen as trash.
for me it's just a fetish

But you are just repeating the same thing, but with different wording, user.
>The key being you are submissive to the designated value system within that tribe, and by proxy, its people.
That is not a submission, that is part of any basic cognitive ability of any group animal. To fit in.
>You essentially pick between two submissions
This we already talked about.

I know this feel, the only way I can please people is by letting them hurt me.

That's likely because you can only reword it and get the same result, user.

I'd also like to add that women tend to like effective tribal service because it guarantees resources or offspring that seem likely to produce a good flow of resources via cooperation with society.

Someone stuck in their room doesn't service society very well.

>reword it and get the same result
What about thinking about my points though?

And yes, women like civilization way more than men do. Ironically, the more civilization men build, less they fit into that civilization and less that civilization requires them.

Ah, but your points were to just reword tribal cooperation to 'basic cognition'. It comes from there, but it is what we know as service and sacrifice.

>the more civilization men build, less they fit into that civilization
Which one? When? How so? Why is that, do you think?

>muh literal gender studies tier social explanations
Maybe some dudes just want girls to sit on their face just because that's what they're into? I have quite the opposite of an inferiority complex, and it can be quite a problem in social situations. I dont dream of black dick either, those are JIDF or hapas with inferiority complexes constanly shilling that shit. If you want cucks unironically go to leftist communities like reddit, newfag.

If you change your behavior for the sake of others, if you actively try to fit in, you are submissive in nature. You let others bend your will. You serve the group, tribe whatever and you are it's slave.

>Which one?
Ours. Every single one. More civilization = less need for traditional male roles (protector of the perimeter, hunter, conquerer, soldier, etc.)
>When
Now user, now.
>How so
More safety = no need for protector of that perimeter, no need for husband
More production = no need for hunter
Women in the workforce = no need for provider
No hic sunt leones = no need for explorers and soldiers
And like that, all traditional male roles are gone.
>tribal cooperation to 'basic cognition'
Tribal cooperation is nothing but basic group instincts. That's why apes can do that too.

see

These types try really hard to come up with explanations about things that's way out of their league just because they feel they need too. Credibility is irrelevant as long as there's an explanation.

>thats just how it is
>anyone who isnt like me obviously has mental issues

It is though, you are coping. Also note that it was not me who was talking about mental issues.

>but its not tho
>if youre not like me youre just coping

Well then, post some arguments.
>if youre not like me youre just coping
>implying I'm not the same degenerate
Only difference is that I'm not coping.

>we live in a society
Unsurprisingly unoriginal

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Im not coping either, I was pointing out what that was literally YOUR "argument" . This whole thread is full of people accusing people with differences to be insecure or suffering from memtal trauma, but then you go on to attack them. Youre obviously hiding your own insecurities. You feel threatened by dominant women.

>This whole thread is full of people accusing people with differences to be insecure or suffering from memtal trauma
Are you sure you read this thread? There is plenty of posts explaining various facets of why is this so common today. That is not accusation. It may be theorizing and this is pretty much the reason why we are here - to debate and theorize that stuff. Are you new here?
>but then you go on to attack them
I did no such thing though.
>Youre obviously hiding your own insecurities
I'm doing exactly the opposite, I'm trying to debate and share of the little I found out about my issues.
>You feel threatened by dominant women.
Top kek. Is this from some gender studies handbook or something? What does this even means? I can't even imagine why or how I would feel threatened by "dominant" women. Nevermind the fact I firmly believe there are no truly dominant women.

>>>>
Have fun with your "theories" lol.

Today is finally the day, I'm ending it now early in the morning before my parents are able to wake up. I haven't slept in roughly 30 hours.
Goodbye /b/, and thank you all for the fun times. I'll start in around 45 minutes. gb

Livestream video link + explanation:
pastebin.com/pdMfNyu6

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So you have nothing and you are just coping retard.

You're not really explaining anything you say so you're losing peoples engagement, they aren't learning anything from you.

I already did explained my position in my previous posts though.

Our gender has no self-respect, at least not in this place.

I mostly just want to be shown some form of affection and I don't really mind if it's gentle or mean.

Verbal Humiliation shit is just embarrassing, though.

nice psy-op faggot never