How many of you robots jerk it directly into the toilet bowl and flush it...

>wastefully discard so much of your seed?
Waiting for wet dreams to naturally discard it is even more of a waste.

No i just usually cum in my mout (im flexible enough to put my mouth right on the tip). Or into my pants, which i will then wash while I take a shower. Not even kidding about drinking it, sometimes i want to cum while im on my bed but dont want to deal with clean up, so i just shoot it into my mouth.

I prefer jerking into the sink while standing. Legs hurt a bit afterwards but whatever. If you worry about wasting seed you can simply gobble it up. I used to do that as a kid when I jerked in my room. Btw using a smartphone on the toilet is always a bad idea. It can slip even without the lube if you are a clumsy fuck.

P.S.
If you read the Bible carefully you will realize that Onan's true sin was not wasting seed or masturbating. He didn't want to impregnate his dead brother's ugly widow and that was the sin as the laws those days required him to replace her dead husband. I suppose priests don't teach that but that's what the book says lol.

>No i just usually cum in my mout
That's a great way to save dirtying a dish or cup which you'll then just need to wash. Closed circuit for the win!

youtu.be/CmCZxxQt7Ew

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Oh, it's schizo posting time. I assumed this was an actual theological debate, I'll be off then.

I fap until I'm about to cum then flip my hand and cum on the back of my hand. Then I lick it off.

No mess, no downtime.

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>Btw using a smartphone on the toilet is always a bad idea.
Ever touching anyone else's smart phone is a definitely BAD idea. You have no idea where that greasy disgusting thing has been!

People who use the lord's name in vain (self promotion by saying "God said so!") have never read THE BOOK for themselves.

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>I'll be off then.
To read the good word of the lord for thyself before thou dost preach? Fare thee well my brother and go in haste!

Here's a melodic summery summary of our beliefs:
youtu.be/fUspLVStPbk

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>be sick with a cold
>coughing up mucus and phlegm
>have to keep spitting it out
>don't want to waste tissues so spit into a cup
>decide to jerk into the cup too
>cup is half full of disgusting goop
>accidentally knock it over
>big goopy pile on the carpet
>so fucking slimy

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It just sounds so delicious!

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>animal urges
That's like saying eating when hungry is acting on an animal urge. You can't prove that masturbation is sinful solely because it's tied to sexual desire, since that's normal for humans and not wrong in of itself, hence, you know, sex in marriage is permissible.

>These urges were intended for you to be fruitful and multiply, not to abuse your body for a cheap high.
if the sin is not multiplying then that has no bearing on masturbation: your seed was created for you to multiply, so everyone who is not currently using their dick to impregnate their wife is actually sinning since that person is not making use of their semen for its intended purpose.

I've read the Bible and understand it well, you're just schizo. No point in arguing with one who doesn't understand.

>That's like saying eating when hungry is acting on an animal urge.
Gluttony is a sin, you know. All sins are rooted to our humanity, and some degree of feeling them is inevitable. But certain behaviors are demonstrably wrong, and sinful.
>You can't prove that masturbation is sinful solely because it's tied to sexual desire
That isn't why, it's because it's a perversion of what was intended for us. Masturbation is a grave trespass upon your own body, a terrible sin.
>sex in marriage is permissible.
Because that is the intention of lustful feelings. You are meant to have one wife, and to make children with her. Not to wantonly abuse your body for your hedonistic pleasure. It's only eclipsed by acts of sodomy, a perversion of not just your own body, but another's as well.

>and understand it well
Stop using my name in vain, you heathen scum.

>Lack of masturbation is a grave trespass upon your own body, a terrible sin.
Prove me wrong.

Hey I do this all the time except I spit into an empty beer can so I don't have to see it. It smells really bad after a few days and then I throw it away. I was thinking of collecting it in a clear, plastic gallon jug of water.

>Masturbation is a grave trespass upon your own body, a terrible sin.
what's the proof? Simply saying that it "feels good", or that it doesn't produce babies, are not enough arguments, as I've just demonstrated.

>You are meant to have one wife, and to make children with her.
Are you currently having sex with your wife to make her pregnant? If not then you are not using your dick and semen for its intended purposes, thereby making you sinful.

every time a girl has a period, she wastes an egg that could've been fertilised. is that a sin?

"Whoever looks at a woman with lust is guilty of adultery."
Have you never been to church?

>"Whoever looks at a woman with lust is guilty of adultery."
completely irrelevant to the discussion. You've yet to prove that masturbation is sinful.

I'm not speaking the word of the lord here, but in my experience arguing against an assertion with further assertions is never successful.

The one with the original false assertion has already proven themselves unwilling to consider any other truth. They are prejudiced and impure, tainted by false idols and graven images of reality and here professing their false witness against their neighbor.

The solution is to turn the table... one invalid assertion is identical regardless of the direction of its rotation. If you turn it 180 degrees it will remain equally false as the basis of the argument was invalid to begin with.

Ask for proof (either for or against) of the opposite of their assertion. This will reveal the absolute nature of their argument which is inherently false. The only "absolutes" are axiomatic and implicit absolutes which are self-defining.

>every time a girl has a period, she wastes an egg that could've been fertilised. is that a sin?
This is another sound argument. In fact it's even stronger: since eggs are more limited than semen wasted through masturbation.

>is that a sin?
Yes. It was your duty to impregnate her even against her will! Don't believe this protestant nonsense~!

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>your duty
LOLS!!! YOU SAID "DUTY" !!!
*loud chanting from the distance*
*FLUSH! FLUSH! FLUSH! FLUSH! FLUSH!*

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>"Whoever looks at a woman with lust is guilty of adultery."
Define lust: is it the intention of committing adultery, or the mere sexual attraction?

Take your meds
Sure, the first guy in the Bible to masturbate gets smited off the earth. How's that for proof?
How about that time when cities known for widely indulging in sexual behaviors ranging from masturbation to sodomy were wiped off the earth by a meteor?
>what's the proof?
Maybe you should read what I posted instead of being a broken record. It is a perversion of its intended purpose, so it is sinful. Gluttony and sloth are also such perversions, do you wish to refute those as well? Perhaps claim Satan is God?
>Are you currently having sex with your wife to make her pregnant? If not then you are not using your dick and semen for its intended purposes, thereby making you sinful.
Stop being purposefully retarded. God doesn't hand you a wife on a silver platter, you need to find her first. Some men are even called to be chaste, and not act on those feelings.
What you're claiming flies in the face of all Christian churches and the Bible itself. Perhaps you can explain why thousands of years of theology and scripture is completely wrong according to you?

youtu.be/WxT8dwqf3z8
*hehehehe*

WHAT!?

>Maybe you should read what I posted instead of being a broken record.
You haven't provided ANY proof that God has deemed it sinful to masturbate. All you've done is try to reason it using unsound arguments, which I've already made clear.

>Perhaps claim Satan is God?
you're a retarded fucking troll. And then you have the audacity to say that you're interested in a theological argument. Kys retard.

>Stop being purposefully retarded
you have no argument.

>How about that time when cities known for widely indulging in sexual behaviors ranging from masturbation to sodomy were wiped off the earth by a meteor?
You mean taking men as their property?

I think you are very confused and very young.

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The argument against masturbation:

>It satisfies sexual desire
this is not a sin of itself, thus it does not prove masturbation is a sin.

>it means semen isn't used to make babies
irrelevant with regards to masturbation: since semen and eggs can be unused regardless.

The only way to prove that masturbation is wrong is to show a clear cut command from God to that effect. This is what we await.

>Perhaps you can explain why thousands of years of theology and scripture is completely wrong according to you?
DUTY! DUTY! DUTY! DUTY! DUETEE! DUETEE! DUETEE! DUETEE! DUETEE!

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Stop using my name in vain you filthy heathen.

No refutations? Only seething? Seethe harder heretic. You claim that sin is sacred, an abomination before the eyes of God. If you ever read the Bible or went to church, you'd know this. It's basic stuff. You either know nothing or have decided it is wrong, against all logic and reason.
>the heretic cries in pain as he lashes out at you
Then wait no more
applygodsword.com/does-the-bible-say-masturbation-is-sin-christian-masturbation/

>You claim that sin is sacred
You lying retarded motherfucker.

>masturbation is a sin
what's the proof?
>YOU SEETHING HERETIC YOU CLAIM THAT SIN IS SACREEEEEDDD!!!!!!
missionaries. NOT. EVEN. ONCE.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

Authoritarians prefer dictation from an authority so that they can avoid carrying any personal responsibility for themselves, their actions or beliefs. An authoritarian will always prefer to have some thing or person available to deflect blame from themselves. "If you have a problem it isn't with me; it's with God." Authoritarians are ultimately pure cowards who are unable to stand and defend themselves without a scapegoat to fall back on, hide behind and toss as tribute to fill the jaws of the lion while they make their escape.

I've posted proof that the Bible condemns masturbation and calls it a sin, so who's the liar here? So far all you've done is say my arguments don't count because of reasons and your inability to read.

>I've posted proof
No you have not.
See this post:

I've posted my proof, see here >theological debate
>theology based in scripture
>"nuh uuh! The whole basis of our belief is wrong! Me right! You a dictator!"
Stunning display of intelligence right here. It turns out the whole world and God is wrong except for you. What a concept.

>I have no argument
>therefore I will claim the Bible is a logical fallacy
Why are you taking part in a religious argument then? Holy shit, this is why arguing with any poster on this board is futile, almost everyone is too painfully stupid to grasp any foreign concept, notably the possibility that you may be wrong. Outstanding

You're making the claim you are above God and are able to dictate from his authority what is right or wrong without making your own argument. When will you be willing to open your heart and accept the light of the lord rather than cowering from your own shadow?

Masturbation is fine, and I speak on the authority of our risen savior Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, that was brutally killed in the year 2015 only to miraculously resurrect and appear to tens of thousands of people(I myself saw and heard his message) to spread the gospel of Hizbul-Ba'ath and have people baptized in the name of Wahdat, Hurriyat, and Ishtirikayyiat, and to be recognized as the fourth person of the christian godhead, god: the Secretary General of the National Command of the Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party.

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Continue to allow yourself to be beaten by your own shadow and waste your time before judgement... if you are unwilling to open yourself up to his judgement, what will happen to you?

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Dude, I literally posted proof, stop being autistic for one day.
>pointing to where in the Bible it says masturbation is a sin is saying I'm somehow above God
Why can't you accept that you're literally wrong? The proof you wanted was posted, but now you're being immature and doing the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "LALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALA"
Grow up

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>beaten by your own shadow
Even the brightest light is consumed fully by darkness and you are the last sparks fading in the wind.

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You've posted no such thing. Go on and post your rational argument based upon your self and I will hear it. Your argument was invalid to start with, so you'll need to first prove the validity of its basis before you prove your conclusion drawn from it. So far you've done nothing but make baseless assertions.

Alright, well I've thoroughly proven myself. I'll be going now.
And you might want to go to confession for your masturbating user. Our God is a forgiving God after all.

The only thing you've proven is that missionaries are shameless liars and mentally retarded.

>your argument is wrong because I said so
>never mind that it draws straight from the source, the book written by God, you're wrong because I like to jack off
Your mind is closed, and only you can open it. I pray for your well being

I never knew you were a missionary then, user

>Alright, well I've thoroughly proven myself. I'll be going now.
Claiming that does not make it so.

What have you proven? You've made no argument. You've made a baseless assertion about what an authority says according to popular interpretation ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

... but you have made no argument of your own. You've only argued that an external authority argues...

Try stand up for yourself once in your life. Can you do that or are you a coward?

I looked up if mastubation is a sin and a lot of the things i found said that it doest say it clearly, but the thought that lead to it are sinful

I already refuted your arguments you then ditched your initial arguments and appealed to "MUH CHURCH HISTORY".

>but you have made no argument of your own.
he tried but they were ridiculously poor. It was only after that he appealed to (his denomination's) church.

Ok. I can see you're a special case. Let's break it down together, shall we?
I made the claim that masturbation is a sin
You asked me to prove it
So I used some basic theology
But you said that isn't good enough. You said you wanted to see where it said so in the Bible
So I provided that
And after I provided my proof in scripture, what happened?
You said "it's invalid", posted some logical fallacies (which are improperly used by the way), and refuse to listen to any other view than your own.
What, then, am I meant to provide as proof? If theology doesn't work, and the Bible itself doesn't work, then there is, logically, nothing I can possibly do to convince you, because you deny the very basis of proof that you demand.
Do you understand what I'm saying?

>So I used some basic theology
except you failed to defend your basic theological arguments from basic objections.

And I posted biblical proof. At this point you're doing this on purpose, this has to be a troll.

Regardless, I posted concrete, biblical proof. A place in the Bible that says exactly what I am saying. And you claim it's wrong.

>he tried
No, he never actually made his own argument of the form: "masturbation is a sin because ..."

His only assertion was "masturbation is a sin according to ... according to interpretation by ... for ... number of years by ... authoritative institutions."

That's all just trying to deflect from the argument itself (my initial argument: masturbation is NOT in itself a sin, which I will defend) by changing the subject to other things like THE BOOK, the authority of various institutions or other aspects of his assertive claims of validity without basis.

If he had said: "masturbation IS a sin because a sin is ... and masturbation is ... which are equivalent" that would then be a valid argument and we'd need to examine its logical basis and the evidence provided to determine whether it is true or false.

A valid argument is made based upon the potential for it to be either true or false, or that it is accepted as true being an axiomatic implicit truth.

so you admit that your theological arguments were unsound and retarded in fact.

>a place in the bible
You didn't. You appealed to your denomination's history or consensus.

he initially made the argument that masturbation is a sin because it doesn't produce babies and because it satisfies a sexual desire.

In fact he himself fell for the trap (an obvious ten-foot wide hole I dug in front of him) by stating this:

> (You)
>Lust is one of the seven deadly sins retard.
>>masturbation into your wife's hoels
>That's called sex, believe it or not.

So he himself stated that masturbation is both a sin and not a sin at the same time, demonstrating the absolute nature of his argument and its inherent lack of validity.

The fact that you deny theology doesn't make it any less true. You could also deny the sky is blue, but it will still be blue regardless of what you say.
It's not "my denomination's" consensus, it's biblical proof. You are literally denying the Bible right now, which I will remind you is the basis of all this. If you deny it is true, then why are you even Christian? You can't just pick and choose what parts of the Bible are true.
>inb4 appeal to authority
We are essentially arguing over a book. You say it says one thing, I say it says another. We look, and it says what I say. You claim the book is wrong and that I'm using an appeal to authority, despite the fact I simply reference what we are speaking about.
Your logic is unsound.

>he initially
He did eventually, but that was after he made his initial claim "masturbation is a sin" which I'm arguing against: no, masturbation in itself is not a sin because it is logically impossible for that to be true.

He accepted and acknowledged my counter-argument defeating his initial argument, then he changed the subject and deflected in an attempt to counter his own admission of defeat.

Stop samefagging, it's pathetic.
Masturbating is to use one's hand. If the penis is inside a vagina (sex) then it's not masturbation, it's called sex. That is sex, not masturbation. You wording it in a retarded manner was the problem.

>"my shitty arguments are synonymous to theology"
oh ffs you trolling time waster.

You're misunderstanding his point. If you masturbate into your wife's vagina then you are not "wasting" any seed, which was supposedly the entire reason it was a sin in the first place.

I said "masturbating into your wife's hoels" by which I meant using your hand and cumming inside your wife over a distance. For example you might have your wife set up upside down and tied up in ropes and use a gravity-feed system for assistance.

Oh fuck off. I've provided clear evidence and you sit there like an ass denying what's before your eyes.
I may as well be trying to heal the dead for all the good getting through your thick skull as been.

I mostly imagine me having sex with my father while my mom watches

>How many of you robots jerk it directly into the toilet bowl and flush it?
Ewww...that's weird.
I just cum all over the furniture when it's big strong cummies that fly all over or on the floor when it's weak cummies that just run down my dick.

Fuck off you blind denier of Truth. Soon you will claim that the earth is flat and anyone who disagrees is a heretic denying geography.

>by which I meant using your hand
Although it's fair to say that masturbation = self with the self, and that in fact if your wife is unconscious and you use her body that it is in fact masturbation and rape, not sex, despite the fact you used her body rather than solely your body for the purpose.

>I mostly imagine me having sex with my father while my mom watches
Do you use a cucumber stashed under your bed? You know a cucumber is usually used by females but it's also possible if it's ripe enough to use as a male... although a ripe zucchini is better since it's more rubbery and firm, less watery. The fruit of the garden of eden.

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>big strong cummies
I hate it when I get too turned on for too long... like once I was dating this woman who loved making out and having her boobs and butt touched. So we'd make out for hours and hours, then she'd say "okay I'm gonna head home, see you tomorrow!"

When I unleashed my demon spawn it sprayed right up the fucking walls, I swear I was scrubbing for days finding splatter patterns that I thought were physically impossible. She was so awesome. Once she gave me a hand-job at the end of the day instead and I sprayed the headboard above her head (missed her lips, aw) but managed to shoot it from like two or three feet away all up and down her belly and chest.

She said "WHOA IT'S LIKE A FOUNTAIN AND JUST KEEPS CUMMING AND CUMMING!"

I told her "you realize this is your fault?"

No, I've never done that, but I do like to imagine being swirlied while I jerk it.

I didn't claim the waste of seed was the sole factor in this. It's also a perversion of your body.
You want axiomatic truth? Fine. Let's do it.
Hunger is an animal desire. Eating is the intended purpose. Over-eating, or gluttony, is a perversion, a sin. It's also bad because others may starve if you eat all the food.
Being tired is an animal desire. Rest is the intended purpose. To rest and not attend to your duties is sloth, a perversion, a sin. It's also bad because someone else may need to cover for your slothfulness, and it could hurt them or leave them too tired to do their own duties
Being horny is an animal desire. The intended purpose is procreation with your spouse. Indulgence outside of copulation with your wife is a perversion, a sin. It's also bad because it messes up the chemical reactions in your brain, akin to drug usage, and leaves you broken and miserable.
Do I need to list all 7, or do you understand now?

Odd that you seem so adamant about pointing out logical fallacies that you directly use the slippery slope fallacy yourself.

>Indulgence outside of copulation with your wife is a perversion, a sin.
false. Kissing is not a sin yet it's not copulation.

that was not an argument but rather an insult because you're retarded.

>Over-eating, or gluttony, is a perversion, a sin.
How so?

A valid argument would be the body requires fuel for survival and nutrients for health. So eating food poor in nutrients or containing toxins or other harmful substances, or eating in excess of what is required and developing so much storage of energy (fat tissue) that you worsen your long-term health rather than improve it is detrimental to your body.

You might argue that it is a sin to cause harm to your body, but such a commandment does not exist anywhere in the original sources (ten commandments, etc) although there are plenty of contradictory statements about taking on harm in fighting for God (obedience to commandments, defense of family, etc) as a Martyr...

So I would question whether harming one's body is in fact a sin according to any original commandment... it's honestly hard to say. You might make the argument from "gluttony", but this appears much later and it's intended to be used in a symbolic or abstract sense.

The whole problem is your interpretation is limited to what is concrete rather than abstract... so you are unable to see the "bigger picture" of the philosophy intended to be conveyed by the words which are all indefinite abstractions.

In fact owning too much property or living in a home beyond your needs for survival would arguably be a form of gluttony. In fact Jesus is quoted saying similar things himself (if you take his words = God, although he contradicts that interpretation with his own words "I am not speaking for God" in several places.)

Jesus urged people to give up their wealth to the needy and live life according to their needs (socialism?) in order to open their minds to God's true message and what was truly important in this life without the distractions brought about by the "sins" such as gluttony.

So they do not merely apply to food or other such concrete interpretations.

I have done this my entire life

Passionate kissing can be very sinful. A little peck isn't sexually charged.
How ironic

>A little peck isn't sexually charged.
What's its purpose? You're arguing yourself in circles spiraling into the pits of self-contradiction.

You know... hell.

Lust is only forbidden in so far as it leads to actions that are themselves sinful: ie fornication etc. but you need another proof that masturbation is sinful. Your argument can also be shown to be wrong in other ways: for example, according to your reasoning, a sterile man having sex with his wife is sinful since he's not using his horniness for the intended purpose of procreation.

Come up and join us for some tea. We've got scones! Don't worry it isn't that awful Earl Gray, it's good old pure whole leaf Ceylon.

All I'm getting from this thread is
>but I want to be a nigger and have no responsibility for my actions, fuck you guys for trying to help me!

>fornication
What is the logic behind this being sinful? It's #7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Fornication is a sub-type of adultery which is essentially "you shall respect the well-being of your fellows and the outcome of your own actions."

If you lay with a woman outside of "marriage" it is likely to produce harm to the woman, yourself, your children, society and so on.

The definition of "marriage" is vague... but you can say "arrangements within which bearing a child is safe and accepted by both partners and in good-faith according to the commandments and message of God".

So you see these things were written by very intelligent person(s) (God?), not by some clueless dolt. There is a lot of complexity to every day life and if you assume everything has a single, simple concrete interpretation you are doomed to failure.

>What is the logic behind this being sinful? It's #7) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
so you're saying it's forbidden because God said so? Then show the #? saying thou shalt not masturbate.