Actual trans thread

Not everyone is going to fit into your image of what a trans person should be like. To be honest I'm pretty judgemental of people, especially other trans people but that doesn't mean that I get angry about images.

you stupid, self mutilating faggot

I am a female to male transgender. I am a subtier manlet who will never have a gf.

Is it okay for me to pity FtMs? It's a more consistent transition physically but the community seems to have less support and the end result has less dividends. Plus if I really got THAT lonely I could always just fall back on a chaser, which you can't really.

I understand body dysphoria. It is the part of transsexualism that seems rooted in science to me. It makes sense.
But how the fuck does the rest of the shit make sense? Like why care about the pronouns? Body dysphoria makes sense. Your brain wants there to be something else there. You COULD have been a girl. But the pronouns are a social construct. Your brain doesn't know what a fucking pronoun is until you're like 3-4 years old. An hypothetical transsexual caveman might suffer from dysphoria but they certainly wouldn't give a shit about pronouns. How can you explain that in medical terms?

Well I'm not a doctor so I can't give you the hard proof that you want. Personally I care about pronouns because it helps me feel secure in the life I live.

To counter your argument though, if pronouns are just a social construct then why is it a problem to just respect what someone wants? If they are as meaningless as you say why not just call someone what they want to be called without question? There are no "medical terms" that say that I HAVE to be called "he" because I have testicles.

I do respect your pronouns, I just don't get it. And the pronouns are just one example. You want to be seen as a woman. You want your identification cards to say you're a woman. You want to wear skirts. NONE of that have anything to do with body dysphoria. Like, theoretically speaking, body dysphoria should only require you to change your body. All the extra stuff has no scientific explanation (as far as I know).

Tfw you've been on hrt 8 years, changed your name, but still dress and present androgynously in public because your face still sucks and you're socially inept but your body is pretty good for as far as tranners go *sigh*
Drugs help numb the feels though

I think I've figured out your problem. You're mixing up body dysmorphia with gender dysphoria. Dysphoria is the oart where someone feels detached or even disgusted with their physical self because they feel that they are of the opposite gender. Body dysmorphia often goes hand in hand with dysphoria because it is the "obsession" necessary to go through all the effort to change oneself physically. Dysmorphia is present in a lot of body builders or people like Michael Jackson. It isn't always just in transpeople.

The dysphoria makes me want to defy the assignments given to me at birth. Wearing panties and blouses makes me feel more confident in trying to be a girl. It makes me feel more like how I want to be even if it's just superficial.

That sucks, I have enough of a baby face that I can go either way.

I've been on HRT for about 3 weeks now, and I'm already noticing some breast growth. Honestly, this is happening a lot more quickly than I expected. It's a bit spooky.

Yeah, trans is not a thing, you can change your gender.

Most of your growth is going to happen in the firt year or two unless you get your balls cut off. My boobs haven't really changed for a long time now. You're moving kind of fast still.

Real talk. This stuff has been in uprising for years and for obvious reasons. Not only that, boys are transitioning earlier in life than before. Are we witnessing the slow rise of trans people in our communities? The difference between an early teen taking hormones and a mid twentier are crazy after all and more and more men value companionship over reproduction

Why would *you* care so much about the pronouns? Yes, pronouns are a social construct and mean almost nothing. But what is your reason for seething so ridiculously hard at someone politely stating what pronouns they would like to be called? I genuinely can not understand why some people are like this.

Personally I don't think that there are any more transpeople now than there was before. It's just safer and easier to be trans now. If I approached my parents thirty years ago and said that I believe that I'm meant to be a girl and that I want to act on that belief my dad probably would have beaten me to pulp and I would have filled the void through sex and drug use. Now he just reluctantly supports me because it's normal to just support what your kids want even if it isn't your vision for them. Plus I don't run the risk of being killed just for existing.

We already talked it out. I don't know if they liked my answer though since they didn't reply.

It's depression fuel when I see zoomers who start early I started at 22 am 30now
I try to focus on just having good boobs and tight body and do the best I can with androgynous makeup and look like a qt andro gothy boy

Do any of the trans fuck their doctors?

I'm very familiar with late-start-regret. I started at 16 and get harrassed by a few late-starters in the LGBT club. They treat me like a rich kid in a high school. I don't hate them for it though. It's much more difficult to start late, it can directly prevent positive results too.

There are some great looking girls that started late though.

I haven't, someone probably has at some point. My doctor doesn't seem like that kind of guy so probably not him.

They need to just take hormones and to keep their vagina.... try and resort to buttsex if they have to have that gay boy at the time, but if they're that gay they'd still probably use the vag but at least then it's reversible and you can use strap ons.

>keep their vagina
Wait, is the crazy leg skin surgery actually common?

Sorry, I knew about the differences between gender dysphoria and body dysmorphia but I realize I mixed up the terms.

However, your explanation does not really help me. Body dysmorphia makes sense to me because it is physical. You COULD have been born a girl. On a purely physical level, your brain KNOWS what a body is, and doesn't require an advanced education level to "feel" like the other gender. I can even see it as something similar to phantom pain.

But the rest of it, gender dysphoria as a whole, doesn't make sense to me. Your brain does not, on a purely biological and instinctual level, know what a skirt or a pronoun is. It only knows what those things because we invented them and you have the knowledge of them. Because of this, I don't understand why "your brain" (not you) cares about those things. A caveman with gender dysphoria would obviously not care about it.

I am not saying "I don't understand you so I hate you/you're mentally ill/etc." It's more about, if I understood the condition better, it would be simpler to explain to other people and especially people who hate you. But I don't understand it myself.

I answered in a previous post, I don't mind respecting your pronouns. I just don't understand it.

I think you're really overthinking it. Someone who wants to be a girl is going to want to do girl things. Sure it's all "social constructs" but those constructs are just as important to them because all their life they're assignments that they've been taught and have used. I'm honestly struggling to understand why everything needs to be so physical and directly related to the body. The psychology is just as important if not more so.

Fucking KYS you mentally depraved faggot

I think that's kind of fucked up then you know they're just doing it for money. I think it's just butchery and people should focus more on being comfortable in their own skin. Just like how plastic surgeons don't get plastic surgery. Or all doctors would get heart surgery.

Not having sex with patients makes it so a doctor is just doing something for money?

Seconded I think I'd care less about my pronouns and more like how someone meant it. I'm always worried I'll get in trouble and not mean anything by it I'm just kind of uncensored

Do some trans hate when people transition and they're younger than them?

Something like that but I think a lot of healthcare is like that

Oh shit, what a coincidence. I only come to 4 chan when I feel like absolute garbage and I just happen to see this thread.
What do you do when you feel like an ugly and worthless piece of shit?
>To be completely honest with you most don't pass in general.
Pretty much.
And I think is their own fault, mainly. (Most) would pass if they decided to put just a bit of effort.
>Have you noticed any side effects like that?
Same.
I've been on HRT for more than 6 years by now and it definitely affected my sex drive, but I use Gnrh antagonists, so the effect might be bigger.
Working out is fine, although it takes way longer to see results, but my sex drive is completely dead. A bit of a mix of the HRT and me no longer giving a shit about personal human interaction, I guess.

>sex drive
This is depressing to hear. Doctors I have talked to all seem surprised by this, but anecdotally everywhere online has transwomen talking about how their sex drive died but they dont mind.
I recently got a gf for the first time since transitioning and it made me realise how dead my sex drive is, I stopped taking the pills and we started fucking every day.
Now I guess I need to decide between a healthy sex life and living as a woman, and I think I know what I should choose.

why the fuck did you feel that this thread is more appropriate clogging up r9k than lgbt, christ

why not? Jow Forums is for whatever

Well, if you are not in a relationship, not being enslaved to your sex drive is a nice thing.
> I recently got a gf
that's gonna be a ''yikes'' from me.
I haven't been here in years, but in the past I used to post cause I thought robots were actually kind of cute. Like human puppies.

They know their own kind are fucking annoying cancer, so they have to avoid them by coming here

>I thought robots were actually kind of cute. Like human puppies.
Still think that?

I cringed too, at "who knows but everyone finds me attractive and that makes everyone gay", specifically because of trying to brag about personal attractiveness on the internet. Seems like a huge cope

God I would cut my nuts to be your puppy.

I woke up! I'm back for a couple hours.

I've experienced that kind of negativity directly, so yes.

You know I feel WAY more comfortable with a doctor that doesn't want to take advantage of me than one that does. I'm really curious to know about your thought process on this.

Usually I put on too much makeup and go to a public pool in the skimpiest bikini they allow. With a giant pair of sunglasses I'm passable enough that I catch everyone's eyes. My therapist says I shouldn't use attention and physical validation so often but it keeps me going through a bad day or two.

I have no idea why doctors would be surprised, a dead sex drive is an extremely common side effect.

It's just to get a giggle chill out.

I do.
There's an innocence to most of them that is adorable.
They are not hateful and misogynistic, that's just frustration and fear. When those things are channelled int something productive, like self improvement or positivity, is amazing. I love talking with them.
Gross.
Also, you wouldn't want that.

Dysphoria is also a pile of shit mental only problem there is no physical component other than the ones caused by the thoughts.
Imagine rewinding time with one of these trans people and raising them in a controlled enviroment where they never learn about the existence of females? Think they would still desire to be one? I doubt it.

>gross
S-sorry that was figuratively speaking.
Why would I not want it?

Looks like REAL degenerate hours up in this bitch.

I'm OP, not them. Even with dysphoria and all the other stuff I don't want to cut off any genitalia. The surgeries are brutal, the side effects on your body are more harmful than helpful, and the risk of something bad happening is too high. Plus as far as I'm aware it affects you pretty negatively mentally as well.

No I meant like I would do anything to be your puppy, there.
Of course I wouldn't literally cut my balls

Thats autogenophylia, not gender dysphoria.

I'm mostly submissive so having a partner into pet play would be burdensome for me.

Was worth a try, you seem like a genuinely nice girl.

Not to be rude but trying to form relationships here seems like a bad idea. I appreciate your take on me though.

Not rude at all. You are not wrong and I'm perfectly aware of that. I still hope though. Yes, dozens have ghosted me but I did make like 2 friends who I still talk to.

I'm the user you were asking to
>Why would I not want it?
Because I'm ugly and bitter. I'm sure you can do better, user!
> I shouldn't use attention and physical validation so often but it keeps me going through a bad day or two.
I feel you. I used to do the same years ago. Had the bad habit to post pics on Jow Forums. Hell, some are posted nowadays.
I don't know if I would say I regret it now, but understanding why I did it... I can see it was a stupid thing to do.

hey, op i dont give a shit about tranny this tranny that but i have a question: do you masturbate?

>Because I'm ugly and bitter.
I'm paste that. I'm just starved for emotional connection.
>I'm sure you can do better, user!
I really can't.

OP, i'm fairly sure im trans, i've got dysphoria and every problem under the sun that comes with it, but i don't want to transition? I know i'll never pass and i've come to terms with just staying the way i am. is this common?

fuck off to /lgbt/ and don't come back desu

Sometimes, probably every 5-10 days. Just really when I want it.

I've talked to plenty of people who have dysphoria symptoms but choose against transitioning. There's a lot of different factors that can affect your decision. My biggest piece of advice would be to look out how much of your life would be changed and whether or not you consider that worth it. It's not a decision to make on your own.

Cmon OP there is no reason you couldnt have posted this on lgbt

>I'm just starved for emotional connection.
Ouch, I'm sorry user. Do you have any hobby? Maybe you could join a group or something? Make connections at work/uni?
> I really can't.
Why not?

There are multiple but this is clearly an emotional issue for you so it's not worth my time explaining.

No hobbies unless you consider vidya a hobby. And I dropped out uni, currently neet.
>why not?
Same as any robot, I guess. Average/ugly, insecure, social anxiety.
Not him but now I'm curious

>emotional
No, I just like this board when there arent trannies making threads here but you did hurt my feelings with that reply

>And I dropped out uni, currently neet.
Well that's something you need to fix asap.
What were you studying before, if I may ask?
Why did you drop out?
I dropped out too. During the last year. I realised that despite loving parts of my carrier, I hated the other parts, and it had no future.
I decided to go to, what to call it, trade school? Finished it and I'll be starting a new job this September.
I'll finish my carrier one day, but I'll do it cause I'm stubborn, not cause I expect to gain anything from it.
>Average/ugly, insecure, social anxiety.
Bah, looks don't matter. About everything else, building your own independent life helps with it.

1.) Digits
2.) Obligatory *bang**bang**bang*
3.) Tits or gtfo
4.) Now that all of the r9k formalities are out of the way, what is considered a "late starter"? How much do you have to spend on the whole process of changing gender?
5.)
>or want to fuck someone that is trans
Are you asking to be fucked?

>What were you studying before, if I may ask?
Computer science. I still learnt a few programming languages outside of uni. I could give you a million excuses for why I dropped out but honestly I'm just lazy and get discouraged easily.
Congrats on your job, and what were you studying ?
>Bah, looks don't matter
But that's objectively false. I agree on the rest.

Idc what you say or even if ur cute
>its only gay if the balls touch
Bullshit I'm not falling for it

Late seems to be at 23 and later. Your body is starting to settle into itself and once you hit 25 you're supposed to stop developing entirely and begin aging. Personal opinion though. My parents pay for it still so I don't know. I think my pills are like $1000-1500 a year. It probably depends a lot on how much work you want done. No, I didn't realize that it seemed like such a direct implication at first. I see what you mean.

>4.)
22 on the generous end

>tfw girl in my class who I thought was cute but then immediately clocked as trans the first time she talked, but didn't really bother me too much
>then I remember that I'm too autistic to talk to any girl, regardless whether she's cis or trans
feels bad man

Anything after puberty is late.

trannysquad gang gang

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>Computer science.
Oh nice. I met another robot here that was studying that. He graduated and got a good job, although he was thinking about quitting and going for a different one. Not as well paid, but more... fulfilling?
> Congrats on your job, and what were you studying ?
At uni? History and heritage. I knew since I was a kid I was going to study it. I love history.
>Now that all of the r9k formalities are out of the way, what is considered a "late starter"?
I would say the best moment is before you are 17-18-19.
After that, you have a grace period of a couple years. For some people, 20 is already too late. For other, even 25 is fine.
One of the sexiest girls I've ever met was a late transitioner. She started when she ~26. But eh, she was a photographer and made a lot of girl friends (make up artists and all that shit) when he lived as a gay guy, so he knew exactly what he wanted and her friends helped her get there.
Went from skinny gay guy to voluptuous femme fatale in 3 years. Amazing.
Also holy shit
> I think my pills are like $1000-1500
I feel so glad to live in the EU.

Just a quick one; trans girls with no sex drive, have you ever tried progesterone? My sex drive is completely dead and I'm contemplating using progesterone from time to time just to feel something.

>I think my pills are like $1000-1500
Switch to injections.

I doubt progesterone would help, what are you currently on?

GnRH + Patches. Maybe once a month I'll get an urge, but it's very easy to ignore and doesn't last long. I've heard progesterone can help a ton with libido, so I'm willing to try it just to see if something happens. I tried adding 1mg/day buccal to see if that would do anything, but I don't think I've seen any change other than it causing my E to spike.

>No
What a darn shame :^)