friendly reminder that if you don't want to retake constantinople then you are a beta cuck
Constantinople
Isaiah King
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Gabriel Smith
But the nooks shaggy
Wyatt Evans
>Imagine being this beta you lost to some sandniggers big dick (canons)
Nathan James
>implying im greek or eastern european
we did it before and we'll do it again.
Asher James
It's 2019. Almost 2020.
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Robert Robinson
>we
So you are one of those losers
Gabriel Edwards
The history of the Orthodox Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine Empire, as it's known) is absolutely fascinating. However, reading about the history you learn that the Eastern European pagan barbarians like Bulgars and slavs were just as responsible to weakening and ultimately destroying the empire as the Islamic Arabs.
The Byzantines were always infighting with internal theological issues around the use of icons whereas the Western Church was always chill with full on statues; plus the followers of the Western Latin Church (now the Catholic Church) were MUCH more successful in fighting muslims.
Eli Rogers
>subscribing to individualist culture so much that you totally discard your heritage
you are part of the problem user
Ethan White
the bulgars and slavs were only pagans in the beginning, converting to christianity and even helping to lift one of the sieges of constantinople. as you say the main issue was infighting and succession crises in the empire itself (almost non of which were due to theological debate, which was self contained within the eastern church for the most part). also the western church had the luxury of water barriers and a strong cargolinian empire at the high watermark of muslim berber expansion in the west, as well as a unifying pope eventually who had much more power than any eastern patriarch or bishop.
ultimately resurrecting the byzantine empire in its former form would be foolish, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't retake Constantinople for the west.
Aiden Davis
>Implying the 4th crusade wasn't a massive fuckup and meme
Lincoln Wright
I hope the Islamic state murders you when you try to retake Constantinople, incels :^)
Camden Martin
we aren't going for jerusalem user
islamic state is dead
Luis Sullivan
yikes, double-digit IQ thread. OP should be used as an intelligence repel tool.
Josiah Lewis
It's time to go back. You're too young to be here.
Angel Cruz
>insult poster but don't try to refute arguments
pathetic and disgusting
Jaxon Hernandez
>fighting over sky wizards in 2019
yikes
Evan Phillips
>almost non of which were due to theological debate, which was self contained within the eastern church for the most part
Not true. The iconoclasm was not led by the Church but by Byzantine Emperor Leo III in 726 AD. In fact the prohibition of images was inspired by the defeats the Byzantines were suffering at the hands of the newly formed Islamic religion.
Also, the Byzantine-Bulgar wars lasted over six centuries.
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Samuel Thomas
90+% of the civil wars were due to succession crises and not due to the use of icons or not. furthermore the east was always a much greater threat due to the selucids, arabs etc. the persian and later muslim threat were always the main concern due to the byzantine power base in asia minor.
Gavin Bell
>Also, the Byzantine-Bulgar wars lasted over six centuries.
Fucking hell. History is weird sometimes. Justing thinking about how much has changed just in the last 100 years both technologically and culturally. 600 years from 680-1355 didn't see dramatic technological change in that region. Crazy. All that history. Generations and generations based around a confilct that must have seemed eternal to them. Now gone forever. Lost to the sea of history like tears in an ocean.
Nathaniel Thomas
>the east was always a much greater threat due to the selucids, arabs etc. the persian and later muslim threat were always the main concern due to the byzantine power base in asia minor.
Oh sure. I'm just saying this Jow Forums tier western nationalist fantasy of 'retaking constantinople' is bizarre and stupid. The Byzantines would never have considered themselves 'western' in any meaningful sense. They would have been horrified to have been considered part of the same whole as most fair skinned European barbarians.
The point about Iconoclasm was about how pseudo-Christian larpers think the Byzantine's protected pure Christianity. They were filled with theological confusions and infighting, plus they kept getting BTFO by Islamic arabs.
The one true holy Catholic and Apostolic Church has always been the most successfully militarily because it is the one true holy Catholic and Apostolic Church that Christ founded.
Nathaniel Ward
that didn't stop them from asking the west for help everytime they were in trouble. clearly they saw them as cousins at worst, especially due to a shared faith even after the schism.
also I'm not religious so theological debates between the eastern and western church hold no meaning to me.
Dominic Martinez
it's actually byzantium, kid.
Chase Mitchell
>wanting to rename it byzantium like an oldfag
fuck off boomer